#rillir roshone

[sorchasolas]

I would read a Kaladin x Rillir fic. I would make a Kaladin x Rillir fic. Hmgm.

[highly-invested]

I don't understand Lirin hate tbh. I feel like if you put yourself in his shoes for a second it all clears up immediately, even if you still don't agree with him.

He's always been a pacifist, with a pretty straightforward train of thought behind it. (Violence will always net more harm than good.) Despite this he spends all of his energy in the book 1 flashbacks fighting. Stealing the spheres, speaking up to Roshone, going to the dinner party, it'is all a means of resistance for him. Where does it land him? Both sons (plus rillir) dead, and him and Roshone both left shadows of themselves. He's left to sit with this for years before Kaladin comes back to correct the idea, and in the time, his worldview shifts from violence will always net more harm than good to conflict will always net more harm than good. I don't agree, but I totally get it!

Finally, Kaladin's back, and he has his son back to cherish and keep safe but wuh oh! Kaladin is actually conflict generator supreme for a myriad of reasons inside and outside his own control. And Lirin recognizes his words of pacifism carry no weight or obligation to anyone else, a big part of Vorinism is freedom (supposedly.)¹ but Kaladin is his son, who he shaped and had expectations for, and who ultimately listened to his teachings up to following Tien to the army for his protection.

I absolutely get why he pushed Kaladin so hard to follow his pacifism in RoW. He was so scared of losing him again, and the constant fighting wasn't helping Kal! He was freezing up on the battlefield! He was barely able to hold the scalpel after the fight with the Regal and the Stormform! From Lirin's perspective Kaladin is tearing himself apart throwing himself into the fight so of course he yells at him for diving headfirst straight back into the war blender and attacking the singers in the surgery room.

Most importantly, the story addresses this-Lirin is changed by the end of RoW, but everyone likes to kick him for how his trauma manifested still :(

1. I wanna do a little write up on this bc it's not stated explicitly but something I got from heavy subtext

[worldwithinworld]

I was thinking about how, as much as Kaladin despised Roshone, he still didn’t guess how terrible Rohone’s motives were for his treatment of Kaladin’s family. Kal thought it was first about the rumor that Lirin stole the spheres, which even turned out to be true, and later about Lirin being unable to save Rillir. Neither of those things justified sending Tien to die, but we can understand somewhat how Roshone felt wronged by Lirin. We might even feel a speck of sympathy for him. 

But then came the part in Oathbringer when Laral, who knew Roshone better than Kaladin did, defended Roshone’s actions with basically, Well, your dad is highly respected in town, so Roshone’s feelings were hurt when Lirin criticized him. Also it’s super annoying how Lirin tries to help everybody. She didn’t even mention the spheres or Rillir. Clearly neither the injustice of a theft nor the grief over a lost son was Roshone’s real issue with Kaladin’s family. Instead, Roshone just saw a good man and felt compelled to tear him down because he knew he didn’t measure up to this person who was supposed to be his inferior.