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Maruki's Reality: the Misogyny Within It
I've come to a realization through my replaying of third semester, and that is that Maruki's reality will inevitably, cater towards the men.
How so? Maruki in the third semster is slowly once again letting Mementos fuse with reality, and it will fully fuse on the day of Febuary 3rd. In Lavenza's words, "he still continues to actualize the world of the masses as a whole." In the meantime, before the full fusion of the worlds, he is catering to individuals desires, which creates contradictions. That is his main flaw in his work, the fact that his reality will contradict itself on itself over and over until it falls.
Mementos is a place where the desire and cognition of the general public takes form, as we know. It is built off the reality that we see as our true reality. The facts we hold as true, or a popular thought society shares, are true in Mementos.
Where am I going with this? Well, misogyny is inside every crevice of our society. It bleeds through every social construct. If misogyny is something so grand in our world, something we are aware is true, then Mementos contains that misogyny, holding the "Man above anyone else," as fact. Men's voices are the loudest in society, so they are the loudest in Mementos. Not to mention, the view of women that the general population of men has, from the worst man to the kindest man, will still outweigh women's voices. The kindest man is not exempt from misogyny.
So Maruki's reality once fused with Mementos, will still have misogyny, because it's catering to the desire of men. Maruki fulfills desire. Whether that desire is morally good or bad, it doesn't matter, as long as everyone is happy. And the concept of man, desires to be above women.
We see several instances of this in the game. And I want to preface first, that I am not saying men aren't also changed in this reality to appease someone else. The women's desires are also fulfilled. This is just a showing of the fact that the desire of men is more prevalent.
One of the most disturbing ones being in NPC dialogue between two "pick up artists," who suddenly are able to obtain women.
To clear some things up first:
The women they are speaking of cannot be fake people. Maruki has never placed any shadows or cognitions inside his reality. The only people he has added to the world are the deceased, who are accounted as fully alive.
It could be argued they were planted with fake memories of getting girls, however, we more so see the removal of memories instead of fake ones in people. Maruki changes cognition, but that cognition in turn changes reality. We are constantly hearing NPC's changing jobs, moving houses, abrupt career and hobby changes, abusive families becoming nice, friends and family getting back together, etc. People are constantly being ripped from the path they planned on, and being put onto another one. It is not far out there at all to say that it's extremely more likely the cognition of the women were changed to like the two men's romantic interest.
No, the women originally would not have wanted this. It is true Maruki's reality is everyone's supposed ideal reality, however, people are constantly being warped and changed to fix the contradictions of individual desire. The reality is actively changing the wants of people. If the women's cognitions weren't changed to like it, the men would've been more successful on their advances before.
This singular interaction reveals a lot to us. That people's wants can be changed. That shitty desires are still granted. Getting women to appease them makes them happy, so they are granted that.
It also implies a much darker, possible thing that very much wouldn't be a reach in this reality. If women's cognitions can easily be changed to want men's advances, then that means sex, too. Women's consent towards romance and sex is non-existent.
The little speech bubbles of the NPCs that pop up on screen use she/her way, way more than they use he/him. A lot of the time, the gender is not revealed through speech bubbles when they are talking about a person or themselves, but when it is, the ratio of women is far more than men.
Is this intentional? I couldn't say, but regardless of intention, it's there, canon within the story, so intention doesn't mean much.
This information weirdly has a common theme: of women suddenly getting closer to people they weren't before, or becoming 'nicer' to people they weren't before.
And the maid cafe exchange is interesting, because its implied the girl suddenly started working there when she did not originally, nor does it seem that she would have wanted to work there originally. Yet, she describes it as the best job she's ever had. Please correct me if I am wrong, since I am not completely well-versed on the Japanese culture of maid cafe's, however reading up on it, it's a business that is easily exploitative. They are often managed by men, and they often run with the underlying misogyny of women being submissive and "serving."
Point is- these all share the same moral of these girls becoming "submissive" to whoever is speaking's desire. The general desire that men want women easy, and nice. It's disturbing.
Here's another interesting NPC interaction:
Now, this one's a little different, because it's obvious the man's cognition has been changed, and the woman is confused by it. We also cannot really tell if his cognition has been changed to appease her want of going to Tokyo. But if you want my interpretation, I don't think that is the case. If her desire was being fulfilled to make her truly happy, it would be strange for her to act weirded out and confused. When people's wants are fulfilled by the reality, they often don't question it, because why would they? They are in bliss. When we see NPCs question the world, it is often the person witnessing the person who has had their desire fulfilled who is questioning what the hell is happening. And the statement of "You like it over there," instead of "You like it over there, don't you?" makes me think this is the man's desire that he is deciding she wants too.
Another showing of women's consent being nonexistent, and their desires being favored towards the men, is the unused harem Valentine's day in Maruki's reality. You can watch it: here.
It is very unsettling and weird. No one acts like themselves. Every single one of them has had their cognitions changed to be okay with Joker cheating on them, instead of getting angry like they originally would. They aren't bothered by it at all, they don't even bat an eye towards it. The cognitions of what, ten women, changed to appease the singular man? Willingly letting themselves get disrespected? The fact that they are pushing to give joker more chocolate after he already said he was full is unnerving. The desperation to make him happy, to appease what he wants, constantly being like "Is that good? Is that enough? Do you want more? I can give you more."
I've been told that P4's harem ending "punishes" the player for it, so I really have no doubt this was supposed to be in the same realm. The purposeful unease that all the girls have zero voice at all.
I also want to bring up Maruki and Rumi.
I'm putting a disclaimer on this that Maruki truly, genuinely loved Rumi. He is also not directly appeasing men's desires over women's.
But something I find worth of value here, is pointing out that he decides right in this very moment, that what he thinks is in her best interest. Rumi loved Maruki, and he is ripping away that happiness from her "for her own good." This follows the theme of people not having a choice, not having consent about what they want. Him deciding to stray away from her life was both selfless and selfish.
He holds Rumi to this ideal. After all, she was the person that made him want to do all this, that he wanted to do all of this for her. But at the same time, he never truly told her what he was doing. Just that he's going "to make her happy, going to make it better." I think that if Rumi knew what Maruki wanted to do, she'd slap him to hell and back. Say to him that she can get through the hardship of the past, that she wants to get through it and love him. Maruki literally changed her as a person fundamentally, with her not having the memories that make her, her. He also sees her as his "Eve" if the statue of Rumi holding an apple in his "garden of eden" in his palace is anything to go by. An ideal of grand love, and grand selfishness to do what he wants.
There's also something to say about how maruki's first test of his actualization was a vulnerable teenage girl who just went through something traumatic. I mean, he outright says that she's not strong mentally.
Sumire never outright said "I want to be Kasumi" until Maruki pushed her in that direction with his questions. She said "I think things would've been better if I was Kasumi." That is when he started pushing the agenda that it's okay to want to be another person, and manipulating her.
If his client was a teenage boy, would he have done the same thing? Yes. So again, it is not direct misogyny from him, but a cycle that happens over and over again, nevertheless.
After all, he manipulated Ren so bad that Ren didn't even suspect that Akechi could've been a desire of his, despite the absurd situation, until he was told. His heart was weak, and he was just happy Akechi was there. I am bringing them up just to solidify that Maruki's fault is not directly favoring someone over the other, but that he didn't think like, literally anything through, leading to his reality unintentionally favoring people over the other and granting unmoral desire.
TLDR if Mementos holds misogyny as a truth and wishes are granted off of the desires in cognition than if a man and a woman's wishes contradict each other then it is likely that the man's desire will win out. And we have proof of this already happening in third sem, before the full fusion.
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Game of the year
#2025#Sonic#sonic the hedgehog#sonic racing crossworlds#persona 5#ren amamiya#joker persona 5#spongebob#spongebob squarepants#minecraft#Minecraft steve#also honorable mention to the goats ichiban and miku
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The implications of these lines from a cut scene in Sae's palace are absolutely killing me.
Akechi is literally (in-universe) saying these lines to Morgana- so they don't seem that notable, right?
HOWEVER, I think that it's worth remembering that Joker was designed with being catlike in mind, and that his color scheme heavily skewes towards black. He is percieved as bringer of misfortune due to his criminal record, but he is able to better the lives of all of his confidants in some way (aka he "brought them luck") despite how people view him.
I believe that, in a meta way, this dialogue refers to Joker. It's kinda like Akechi's saying "Some people see you as a dangerous phantom thief, while some see you as a dear friend and ally. I wonder which road our relationship will take- will knowing you will ruin my life, or will it make it richer and more meaningful?". (That's one interpretation, at least)
And him saying "which side of the coin"? THE motto of their whole dynamic that shows up in their showtime attack? Come on, this couldn't be more obvious 😭
#persona#persona 5#persona 5 royal#p5#p5r#goro akechi#ren amamiya#shuake#hatter blathers#idk if this has been talked about but i havent seen anyone mention it#i mean OFC hes not saying that to joker LITERALLY but you know. on a meta level#and this is just my interpretation of akechis words. he could be talking about other aspects of his relationship with ren#p5 joker
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this one was done in response to the results of the persona champions polls going on on twitter
#persona 5#persona 3#persona 3 spoilers#goro akechi#akihiko sanada#ren amamiya#akira kurusu#duke draws#someone on twitter said that if u put akihiko's whole deal in p3p w/ hamuko it makes this even sadder#but i need everyone to know that it took everything in me to not mention that or akhiko/makoto and keep it vague#dont ask me who i voted for. i couldnt decide#tumblr gets the artist's commentary
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☕️🥞 sketch dump
#she caught the goro disease....... itll be a long and painful death.....#guessss who finished playing througj 11/20 and the engine room hahahaha#imagine already being spoiled for what happens and still getting emotionally bodyslammed by the twists anyways. cant be me#(started sweating at engine room mention and straight up cried at the glove dialogue option ATLUS WHEN I FUCKING CATCH YIO)#man fuck these guys i hate this game#sorry i have literally nothing to post right now i have not been drawing (stuck to my pc on p5r 90% of my awake hours)#in my brief 2-4am window of drawing time ive been cranking out more shuake sketches but none of them are colored so like#i have around 4 lined up after i finish taking care of zine stuff though#akechi goro#goro akechi#kurusu akira#akira kurusu#amamiya ren#ren amamiya#shuake#akeshu#p5#p5r#persona 5#persona 5 royal#my art#ITS SO OVER 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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i think about how morgana has to learn to be rens ptsd service animal basically on the fly. especially once rens in Inaba again because my god does ren get worse. ren would not have made it through their last year with their parents if it wasnt for morgana. that cat saved rens life
and i think about how frustrated morgana can get because he isnt human. sure, hes accepted that this is just how he is... but theres no greater time he wishes he were human than when ren needs a human person to support them and rens parents either arent doing enough or actively making him Worse.
he watches ren self harm (largely by self isolation and disordered eating habits but ren is not immune to other avenues like extreme risk taking or physical violence) and slowly stop responding to or checking the group chat. watches them fall out of videochat routines with their partners. watches them spend more time sleeping and not leave the house as much. watches the ren they came to know and admire in tokyo disappear to long term trauma survival behaviors
watches ren obsess over “goro akechis stupid glove” for months. watches how ren gets so fixated and lost in their own head over all the ways goro can come back and why he hasnt. and cant help but dislike it and tell ren to let it go because its like akechi is holding power over ren. by having left ren waiting for akechi to return and complete the pair. (complete ren)
the poor thing feels so helpless when rens health starts to tank further. he's just a cat... there are limits to what he can do. morgana cant get ren a glass of water or his favortie blanket. he cant cook or bring them a warm meal when they havent eaten. or hold a wet cloth to the back of their neck. he cant. hold them when they cry at night.
morgana does the best he can and ren thanks him for what he does all the time. and feels immense guilt because he feels like hes trapped morgana here and that hed be better off in tokyo with the sakuras.
#persona 5#persona 5 royal#p5#p5r#ren amamiya#morgana p5#goro akechi#mentioned#p5 apotelesma#apotelesmeta#ch. ren#ch. morgana#akeshu#i guess#ch. kogoro#the amamiya's a+ parenting
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did you know, red carnations are a symbol of love?
art inspired by the lovely marigolds , the idea for it provided by colbub herself! i simply followed her vision :)
#persona 5#persona 5 royal#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#idk i dont want to tag everything but at the same time i probably should#amamiya ren#kurusu akira#akechi goro Is Mentioned#shuake#akeshu#implied :3 you know it#and the best for last#marigolds by colbub#HEHEHEHE#lune artwork
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Consistently do not understand why people date the adults in Persona 5 (ok I understand *why* but that's like looking at joker as an insert and not a character.) because like You Fools(/J) that's his Found Family™. The P5 confidants are just Ren accidentally-on-purpose creating a found family, and sometimes a found family is a not cat, six peers with which you commit crimes, unofficial adopted hacker sister, coffee dad, gun dad, teacher who is now your Mom Aunt™, cool doctor aunt, the wine aunt, Chihaya, based politician uncle, cool lawyer sister of your one friend, your shogi peer, your found sibling gamer brother, the two magic prison twins who you've internally labelled also siblings, Igor the Puppet Dad, and this semi-feral detective we found at the TV station who's entire confidant is kinda homoerotic actually???
#joker persona 5#ren amamiya#akira kurusu#confidants persona 5#not included: anyone i forgot#maruki who is no longer invited in the foind family#Not Igor#wolf dad who tried to blackmail you that one time#and the ai on your phone#(zenkichi and sophia from strikers. a game i haven't finished)#I'm not tagging everyone individually#goro akechi#he gets a tag though that's my blorbo#oh also not mentioned is LALA ESCARGOT#WHO WAS ROBBED OF AT LEAST A PORTRAIT#BUT MIKA AND THE ONE MADARAME APPRENTICE GET PORTRAITS THAT'S FINE#lala is a confidant in my HEART. and my headcanons.#this post stems from kawakami this is a kawakami appreciation post#sadayo kawakami#that's his MOM/AUNT OK#are you telling me that the (platonic.) rank 10 isn't mom friend coded?#joker and the siblings he keeps adopting.
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Collection of all the Valentine's Day inspired art of my favorite P5 pairings. What's your favorite pairing, listed or otherwise?
#shuake#akeshu#akesumi#shuann#pegoryu#ren amamiya#akira kurusu#goro akechi#ann takamaki#ryuji sakamoto#persona 5#persona 5 royal#fanart#valentines day#Honorary mentions go to shiho/ann and ryuji/yusuke#oh and the throuple with ren/goro/sumi
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she didn't specify who exactly was having the fit but idk if that matters
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holy shit you guys look what the phantom thieves uploaded

Why are they talking about the guy running for prime minister
#dehydratedyaoifan's art#my art#persona 5#p5#p5r#p5 joker#joker persona 5#ren amamiya#p5 ren amamiya#p5 spoilers#intended spoilers#shido persona 5#< (mentioned)#This idea has been on my mind for more than a week
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No but this is insane, WHY did he bring up Joker being/not being "A knight in shining armor"??? Why THAT specific term??? What, wanna be swept of your feet or something??? 🤨
#p5#p5r#persona#persona 5#persona 5 royal#goro akechi#ren amamiya#shuake#hatter blathers#sorry but a knight in shining armor is SUCH an inherently romantic thing to me....#when i hear a male character call another male character that i enter a fucking on point stance like a hunting dog#this OR damsel in distress. gay as fuck#and like lets be honest hes not saying this in a disinterested way AT ALL#hes saying it in a ooooooh youre like a knight in shining armor but more COMPLEX more EDGY... like a BAD BOY knight in shining armor... 🥵#idk this whole line just feels sooooooooo gay to me 😭😭😭 like what brought THAT association up in your head 😭#not to mention his own prince motif........
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ik i only post comics here but this is my exception bc i had a lot of fun making this
ryuji if he was a youtuber fr
#persona 5#goro akechi#ren amamiya#akira kurusu#shuake#persona 5 royal#akeshu#ryuji#ryuji persona 5#ryuji sakamoto#silly#goro#akechi#joker persona 5#animatic#fan animation#p5#p5 joker#p5r#kubz scouts#fart#i hope you like it#giggling#tw gun#tw kidnap mention#tw kidnapping#lalalala#myart
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your the ace detective and the boy you despise and threw your glove at looking at you like this wyd.
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a lot of people love and share this headcanon of ren being from P4's town of inaba (i think yasoinaba is the name of the train station? and therefore the name of the Region??? idk. but its not the town name) the wiki says a lot about Inaba being based on the yamanashi prefecture. fuefuki and such. due to them referencing a lot of buildings found there and using them as in game locations.
and i originally had that as the case for APOTELESMA as well. however! i did some reading and it. doesnt actually suit the region we see in p4 super well geographically. and it bothered me.
but i stumbled onto THIS thread on reddit. of someone going on a trip to japan and looking for inaba. and coming to the conclusion that the sanin region makes a ton of sense as a real world location for it. and after reading it i was like
oh this slaps. i'll incorporate that into my belief system.
its the GEOLOGICAL ACCURACY... AND MYTHOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE (the mythological stories used in P4's plot, a lot of their settings are based in this region) not to mention how eastern tottori used to be called Inaba no kuni. so
ren is from the tottori region. and this actually makes ren moving to tokyo all the more significant because of the huge distance. like, were ren from yamanashi, he and his friends would be closer by distance. like. its, what, a two hour train ride?
but tottori?
THATS THREE TRANSFERS TO GET TO SHIBUYA AND WE AINT EVEN DONE (fresh crime child STRESSING about making his train transfers on time because if he doesnt it could be HOURS TIL THE NEXT ONE COMES........ lord have mercy.)
DEPENDING ON THE LINE TAKEN AND THE TRAIN SCHEDULE ITS LIKE. ANYWHERE FROM 6-7 HOURS. it just lends greater significance to rens isolation from his support system. hes so FAR away from them... they cant just hop on a train and see each other on a whim.
me moving ren further west actually works better for the background i'd given his parents, too. so. yeah :)
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Shuake Week Day 1 - Fairytales
Waking his prince with a kiss…. 🌹
#shuakeweek2023#shuake#akeshu#akeshuake#p5#persona 5#persona 5 royal#p5r#akechi goro#akira kurusu#ren amamiya#my art#digital art#fanart#art#I ALMOST FORGOT TO POST THIS TO TUMBLR. SORRY TUMBLR#also have i mentioned how much i hate drawing side profiles
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