#reflux the knaaren and andré

[kolplayone]

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[arcane-darkling]

What I think Rayman characters Favorite foods are.

Rayman: fruits in general and fish

Globox: Plums, berries and Uglette’s cooking

Barbara: Swedish meatballs and berry jam

Ly: Seafood pasta and sandwiches

Tily: Anything that’s sweet or candy

Murfy: Sweet and spicy foods

Betilla: salad and tea

Grand Minimus: Lobster cakes and fries

Mr.Dark: Cakes and brown sugar milk tea

Razorbeard: High premium motor oil

I don't know what else I can add to this, these are already perfect. I'm not good with food headcanons hahaha... here are some more for other characters.

Ales Mansay: I think he'd like salty cookies or something. Idk, he just gave me that impression. He also enjoys what Mr. Dark likes, since y'know number 1 fan.

Selena: Idk, Seafood and meat? I think she'd also like sweet things.

Estelia: Definitely spicy food or highly condimented.

Raymesis: Probably doesn't need to eat, but he'd enjoy candies a lot (also what Mr. Dark likes)

Glombrox: Insects. Probably inedible stuff (he's mr. chaos)

The First King: Brains!... just kidding, it's probably some obscure ancient glade dish that no longer exists. I think he'd like soy sauce? Also avid tea drinker.

Polokus: He can't decide, he pretty much likes everything.

André: Sacred (Fermented) Plum Juice. He does not consume anything else but Sacred Plum Juice. There is no brain, only (Sacred) Plum Juice. It's an addiction, alright.

Reflux: Meat, any kind. Same goes for the rest of the Knaaren.

Aurora: Roasted Toads

Twila: Peas (and Roasted Toads)

The Magician: cookies and tea.

That's it (for now) (subject to change)

[srarizard]

Back on my Rayman bullshit.

I literally have nowhere to talk about Rayman but the Tumblr tag seems to be popping so here goes. I am probably the only person on planet Earth who cannot stop thinking about Reflux. I will always be critical of Rayman 3 for its very surface level characters and unfunny "humor", but it still has a lot of environmental storytelling if you look for it. For example, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the Knaaren are bipedal toads.

Artistic liberties were taken, of course, but it's almost a perfect match. It also explains the dot on his forehead, as most toads have warts all over. The warts only become more prominent during the final boss battle, too.

Not to mention, the tunnel system they live in is directly outside of a ravine full of poisoned water. This implies that there might have been a time when they were semi-aquatic. They also have flat teeth, with no canines. I like to think it's because they are herbivores forced to feast on whatever they can find, because they have no plants within miles to feed on. It would explain why they prefer the brain, as it's squishy and easy to chew, as well as the zombie eggs that are the only notable, reliable food source seen in the desert.

Now, what about the way that they evolved? Most of this is speculation, but I can at least tie it together. Knaaren are invincible canonically. Reflux contradicts this in two ways; he has defeated other Knaaren to claim the title of champion, and he dies at the end of Rayman 3. It can only be concluded that he isn't a "normal" Knaaren, and the best way to explain this is to acknowledge the fact that the champion receives the power of the Leptys. Not only is Reflux the only Knaaren to use magic, his boss battle is, quite frankly, insane. I just replayed it yesterday, and it came extremely close. It's possible he used his power to exhaust the other Knaaren to the point where they can no longer fight in order to claim the title of champion using those powers.

In theory, it can also be said that the power of the Leptys creates a weakness. God powers must take a lot of energy to channel no matter what sort of creature you are. So, in theory, Reflux was burning the candle at both ends, pridefully striking down challengers and assuming that he would never be defeated with how much power he has come to earn. He becomes a monster in his thirst for revenge at the end of the game, which ultimately kills him. What this implies about the Leptys is vague, but it certainly has something to do with the deity.

Now, this is my favorite part. Reflux is actually the only character Rayman has ever done wrong. I'd say he's the only one Rayman ever killed, but uh, depends on your view of canon, so I'll be focusing on what is undeniable. Rayman blasts into the desert without warning, and granted it's to save his friend, but he ruins Reflux's life in doing so. He had no choice but to become the champion and shame his opponent. Reflux made his entire identity on being champion, and eagerly accepts when André promises the ability to claim revenge. Rayman was just supposed to be a fun exercise for him, and now Reflux finds himself outcast due to an outsider who doesn't even want to be champion. It's the fault of his pride, but it is still a way that Rayman has made someone's life worse.

It's also interesting to think of them as cultural opposites. Rayman comes from a lovely dream world, and Reflux comes from a hellish nightmare that he had to claw his way to the top. Rayman was born a hero, and Reflux had to earn it. Ubisoft really shot themselves in the foot by not expanding on that, I think. They could have really made something out of the contrast of dreams and nightmares.

Anyway, thank you for coming to my TED talk. If you read this far, please stan Reflux.

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The Knaaren Mythology

(it’s a big mix of theories and HEADCANONS) 

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It is Polokus who created the knaarens, because he is the Spirit of the World and created all forms of life.

Kvahis is the goddess of Light and Suns. She is associated with suns but is quite distinct from them. She's not the suns, in the same way that Leptys is the god of the night but he's not the moons. They are just associated with them. The biggest sun is called Thirfir, and the little Ukhun. The biggest moon is named Narcen and the little Jayan.

All of this is happened a long time ago and is relayed to the rank of legend, no one knows if it really happened, and few people know the story.

The knaarens would have lived on the Surface a long, long time ago, and were probably an allied people of the teensies (their protectors?). We can see it on the frescoes of their underground.

They venerate Thirfir and Ukhun, and also the Kvahis they considered their Mother. The main reason being their link with the suns that gave them their magic. They are not pyromancians but possess a unique magic that they control that everyone ended up calling "knaaren magic", while the knaarens call it "solar magic". (just... look at Reflux's powers)

There was an unexplained catastrophe one day, a huge solar eruption of Thirfir. It didn’t affect the teensies, who receive magic very well, but it burned the knaarens alive because of their magic, it decimated them and there was no escape from the "Thirfir's deadly rays", they called it the "Burning Death" and considered the Kvahis to be angry. This is what we can see on the fresco where they flee rays of light.

It was the Leptys who saved them. Being the god of the night, he was able to hide Thirfir and Ukhun and protect the last survivors. This is what we see on the last fresco

They were able to flee into the desert's underground and thus hide from the light of Kvahis. They do not call Leptys "their father" because he created them, but because he saved, protected and guided them. They called this event "the Eclipse". It is not known why Leptys helped them, but it was at this time that the knaarens developed a bond with the god. They acquired the power of the shield after that. That’s why their shields, although magical, are blue. Since that time, there has always been a child born mysteriously linked to the Leptys. He is the interpreter of the god and can hear him or know what he feels. And he does not control solar magic but lunar magic, much more blue/purple and representative of the god. The knaarens elect this child king because they believe that he will protect them and guide them as the Leptys did. It was the first knaaren king, a child, who told them that they have no right to leave the undergrounds. Some believe that it was a direct order from Leptys, and no king will have ever deviated from the rule. Prohibition to leave the undergrounds. And none has ever explained the reason. The knaarens do not fear much, except the wrath of the gods. Especially since that time. If it was the Kvahis that they were afraid of at first, today they fear the wrath of the Leptys, that’s why kings use the argument of the god to be respected. Few knaarens know the real story, those who know it do not even know if it is true. Only kings know, being connected to Leptys and considered as his sons, they know through him what really happened. But as for the rest, none reveal what really happened, and no one knows how much they carry a heavy burden. Nobody knows why they won’t talk about it. Since there is only one child-king at the same time, they are always left alone with this knowledge. The new child-king is born only after the previous king is dead, for unknown reasons. It is Gumsi in the present time, before his birth it was another, and when Gumsi dies another child will be the new interpreter, and directly elected king.

The Destiny Arena is surrounded by lava to refer to this catastrophe, and the association of death by burning, that no one can run away. The most serious punishment for a knaaren is the banishment of the undergrounds, the exile. Only the king can decide to banish someone. This person will have to leave the undergrounds and come to the surface to die burned by Thirfir and Ukhun. It’s an even worse punishment than death and total disgrace for a knaaren. If Reflux had survived André and returned to the desert after what he did, Gumsi would have clearly condemned him to exile. Today, a knaaren can go out to the Surface without being burned alive, it will probably bear the suns less than a inhabitant of the surface, but the solar eruption being finished for a very long time, the conditions have nothing to do with those of the time. This condemnation to exile and death by burning being above all a metaphor, but today everyone has forgotten why, even if the fact that they live in the desert reminds  their former belonging to the suns and the Kvahis. One can find several traces on the surface that would prove that knaarens lived there long ago as some shrines that resemble their architecture, or skeletons. We don’t know why they have such a bad relationship with teensies today, it’s probably related to that time. They may be resentful of the fact that teensies have easily endure this hell and that they have not helped them while they control and tolerate magic very well.

No one really knows if the kings refuse to talk about it so that people forget what happened, or if they don’t say anything to hide the truth about this event. The only thing they say is always the same sentence, pronounced by the first king, and repeated by others. The day Mother Kvahis got mad, we’d all be burned to death without that eclipse.

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If you want more Knaaren asks, I‘m happy to oblige :) Since Rayman is now the current champion, will he have to defend his title constantly against other Knaaren challenging him for the title? Was Leptys created by Polokus or is he an independent god? What is Polokus and Leptys‘ relationship like? What would Reflux‘s fate have been if he had survived his second fight with Rayman?

If you want more knaarens hc, I'm happy to answer :D

Rayman defeated Reflux, but being not a knaaren and being a stanger, his title of champion is quite fuzzy. Moreover, he's technically not, not having killed Reflux in the arena. Knaarens don't have many laws, and if they do they are not protocolary at all, by nature they don't really like authority. They respect the king and what he says, but that's where it ends. If a knaaren kills another because of an argument, nothing will happen, they don't have prisons or anything else. In the arena it's kind of the same thing. Technically nothing prevents them from using their shield, they don't use it out of honor, and it has gradually become a kind of tradition. Reflux probably could have won against Rayman if he had used his shield and if he wasn't so proud, eh. But if there's one rule in the destiny arena, it's that it's a fight to the DEATH. If the champion is killed in the fight, the killer becomes the new champion. All champions are killers. Rayman isn't. He wouldn't have been able to kill Reflux that way. He just wanted to defend himself, from the moment Reflux could no longer fight, he did not want to continue. What upset Reflux even more, he is the champion and he lost, but he was not killed, and it was even worse for him. Especially since his defeat upset Gumsi, so Rayman had really disgraced Reflux to the maximum without knowing it. 

The Leptys needed Rayman so that's how it went, but the Leptys didn't care if Rayman was the champion or not, he had to win for much more important reasons. After saving their god from a demon and killing Reflux who had been corrupted, it wasn't even a question of whether he was the champion of the arena, it was much more than that. Gumsi was in very bad shape, he was going to die, and Rayman returned to the undergrounds to give him back his scepter. He was never a fighter who defeated the champion but a stranger who saved their child king. He had been blessed by the Leptys! And the knaarens were afraid of him, nobody tried anything against him when he came back with the scepter. Since this event Rayman is not seen as the champion but as a stranger who managed to beat the greatest champion, he is really seen as someone more important than the champion of the arena. And many knaarens want to facing him. But Rayman didn't go back into the undergrounds after that, he didn't like how serious this story became, and the knaarens scare him a little bit ngl :^) As it was a long time ago, if he would go back there today, he would probably be attacked. Moreover, he considers his victory against Reflux as a huge stroke of luck, because if Reflux had been less proud and had used his shield or had fought hand-to-hand, he wouldn't have been able to do much... He doesn't want to fight again against a knaaren.

After these events Gumsi wasn't doing well mentally, it took several years before there was a new champion, who was simply someone who had proven himself in the arenas and had become strong and that Gumsi noticed.

Was the Leptys created by Polokus...... Who knows? Whether it is or not, in any case the Leptys is an independent god, yes. The Leptys is literally a kind of divine animal. And in a way, I see Polokus in the same way. They are gods, and they have unimaginable knowledge and understanding of the world. Whether they are "animals" or not. Polokus being a  "spirit of the world" god type, he is more powerful than Leptys, but they are both independent, they just exist. They have no relationship, they are gods and they don't need this kind of thing, they are very far from this kind of problem and questioning. The only relationship the Leptys have is with the Knaaren children-kings. Currently with Gumsi therefore, with whom he is closely related, and who is the only real link he has with someone else. No one knows why the Leptys is so much connected with kings, but with the events that have happened, he is closer to Gumsi than to previous kings.

If Reflux had survived the events at the end of the game, it's hard to say what he would have done. I think Rayman would have been able to help him, easily understanding that he had been trapped by André, and anyway Rayman is too pure for this world and would help anyone. Reflux would probably have gone back to the undergrounds with him, and even if they were friends and Gumsi admired him a lot, he would never have forgiven him for what he did, and would have condemned him to exile. (in case you haven't seen it, I explain here what it means)

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This made Reflux betrayel all the harsher, since they were friends!

bruh, YES....

Gumsi was really young. When Reflux became champion, he was barely speaking. He grew up admiring him, and he became a fan of fights thanks to him. And being the king, he never "had the right to be a normal child". He was only surrounded by adults who took care of him and gave him his teachings, shamans and counsellors to sum up. He never knew other children, and there are not many knaarens children because of the living conditions or aggressive adults who do not hesitate to kill them when they are too young to defend themselves.

When he grew up he got close to Reflux because... he was his hero, and because Reflux is not the kind to talk about stuff like... king stuff, "politics", gods and all that. He was amused that this kid admired him so much, and we know Reflux's ego, he was happy that Gumsi was the king, eh. They weren't especially friends by the way, the age difference and... Reflux didn't really care about that kind of stuff. Let's say Gumsi saw him as a friend, but Reflux ... meh. As a child who admired him. But they got along well ! It just didn't go any further than that. Reflux enjoyed his company but, let's say he would have enjoyed it less if he wasn't the king.

During the first fight against Rayman in the arena, the Leptys made Gumsi understand that Reflux was going to lose, and that when Rayman won he would have to use the scepter to give him power. Gumsi was 9 years old, and he was always a child who got angry easily, but this was SO FRUSTRATING. He didn't want Reflux to lose, just to contradict the god and prove that "fuck, fate is bullshit, I'm sick of it". So when Reflux lost Gumsi was fully triggered and that's why he insults and argues with him, in the cinematic it's clear that Gumsi doesn't want to invoke the Leptys for Rayman, duh. And Reflux took very badly that Gumsi insults him, but he's the king so he couldn't say anything but it was really hard for him. (on top of his first defeat and everything else)

When André proposed to him to steal the scepter and betray his king, Reflux did not hesitate at all to betray Gumsi, he stole the scepter the same day. That's when Gumsi realized how naive he was, and after all the mess at the end of the game and Rayman took his scepter back to him, he grew up in his head all of a sudden and became really (too) mature quickly, and went through a really difficult adolescence. He doesn't particularly lack self-confidence, but he considers himself a bad king and hates to think how naive he was. Whether he was a child or not he doesn't forgive himself. But then yes, Reflux's betrayal hurt him more than just "he stole my scepter". And he'll never forget that.

After these events he became very cold with everyone, without being dangerous or aggressive at all, but cold. And jaded.

Also he likes to train in the arena, he can let off steam :^)

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If you take into account what the scrapped final boss battle was like, it would fit so well as well. Incase you don't know, in the original script Reflux used the Scepter to enslave the god, and took advantage of him being under his control to send him to fight Rayman. In the final battle, the Rayman would have had to break the four shields that reflected the magical flows enslaving the Leptys. Post battle would The Leptys thank Rayman for setting him free and destroying the Scepter.

Yes, I knew it

LISTEN I just love the knaarens too much I have much headcanons and I have developed too much BUT we are here to talk about it and I have not yet revealed my dark fanatic face about knaarens !

I like the idea that the Leptys knew what was gonna happen to him and that’s why he gave that power to Rayman. He knew André was going to be a threat to him, so he gave Rayman the ability to turn him into a red lums. The Leptys is not afraid and does not fear Reflux, he fears André. If Reflux had been alone, he would have stolen the scepter to grab the power of the Leptys, the Leptys would have been forced to give it to him, and that's all. 

Rayman was not the first to receive energy from the Leptys, if he could communicate with Gumsi, it is because he has a purpose towards Knaarens and wants to communicate with them and be able to be invoked. (a bit like the masks for Polokus. If you think about it, the masks chained Polokus as the scepter chained Leptys)

The problem was that after invoking the Leptys, André merged with Reflux as he had promised him, but at the end of the first phase of combat with Ray', Reflux was too angry and André easily took complete control. So he planted the scepter in his back, and being a black lums he had no trouble pumping the energy of the Leptys, which could do nothing more.

However even if André is a black lums and can have a lot of energy, it was a lot of a sudden and the body of Reflux had trouble keeping up. It is this growing and uncontrollable power that has finally made Reflux mutate to this point. The fact that it becomes dark, with red eyes and wings, is just the result of André who possessed him and that becomes overpowering, and Reflux is technically already dead at that time, or it is completely possessed anyway.

In the end I think that the only difference between the first script and the final is mainly the way to fight, but the fact that the Leptys cannot defend himself and gives power despite him remains the same. 

By striking the orb of the scepter the link of energy between André and the Leptys becomes unstable and André ended up losing control and unstable magic in "his" body made the result that we see at the end of the game. The body is just destroyed because too much unstable power.

We don’t know what happens to the scepter, it looks like it’s destroyed, and that’s what is said in the original script, but in the game in the end we don’t really know, we don’t even know what happens after. My headcanon on this is that the orb of the scepter has not been destroyed, much the same way that you probably can’t destroy the Polokus's masks just by knocking on them. 

The orb fell when Reflux died, and after turning André into red lums, Rayman picked it up and went back to the desert underground, while Globox waited for him at Garatta’s. Seeing that he held the orb no knaaren attacked him or even approached him. He finally returned it to Gumsi, who was traumatized and let Rayman go. 

After that, Gumsi will have a new scepter built in which he will put the orb and always keep it with him, he will even sleep with it, and will feel very anxious when his scepter is not near of him.

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Hello, fellow Knaaren fan :). Do you think Reflux got dizzy the first few times he tried his spinning magic attack and needed to train himself to get rid of the dizziness, like figure skaters do?

another knaaren fan???bfveujzfbuoze omg

  As for anyone, Reflux had to train himself a LOT to master magic, especially since it is clear that he has mastered it much better than the others. He's the champion of the knaarens but, in the end he doesn't really fight hand-to-hand (at least against Rayman). I guess he fights very well in hand-to-hand combat, and he's tall even for a knaaren, but I think it was his mastery of magic that made him a champion. He won 28 fights in the Destiny Arena, which apparently never happened before, so I think it's because of a lot of self work and intensive training in magic. The Knaarens master magic very well, we can see it by the ease with which they use their shield, but Reflux really masters it better than the others. And in fact... Reflux is a magician. A warrior magician, and that's so cool.........

So for your question... Yes, he had to train a lot for that, and it was difficult at the beginning, but he didn't become champion for nothing! Honestly..... He was already killing people when he was a teenage fiogbhfoi The fact that he so easily joined André (with a proposal as serious as betraying his god and his king , I MEAN......) to take revenge proves that he is ready to do anything so that the training of his whole life is not reduced to nothing by a stranger in one fight, and that therefore his training was very long and difficult to reach his level. So yes, he was dizzy at the beginning B)

also thanks this kind of questions are so cool ! now I'm in the mood so don't hesitate to ask me about my knaarens headcanons! all  

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