#proshippers need to sit down and stfu

[lariskapargitay]

“Bruno is a proshipper who wrote an incest telenovela so you can’t be mad at us for shipping him with his nephews and nieces!1!1”

Okay…? And he’s just as much a creepy fuck for that as y’all are, he’s not special like…? Also Pepa, Felix, Julieta and Agustín probably wouldn’t let him around their kids if they found out about that. (Also I’m hoping it’s a case of non blood related both adults in similar age type situation and not, ya know, blood relatives where one man is FIFTY and the others are FIFTEEN)

[lariskapargitay]

So me and @includeangieinthesequel got the same comment on two of our fics today, talking about how the poor por shipper just wants to get off and ship incest and childhood sexual abuse and pedophillia in peace and the poor mean antis just added such amean antis who said incest was wrong 🥺

“Hi to whoever found this and wants to take the time to read my personal thoughts on something I investigated and spent some genuine reflection time for several weeks.”

So genuine that they felt the need to copy and paste the same comment on two separate fics not relating to incest at all, neither of them tagged with incest.

“If anybody has been following my posts.”

They haven’t you’re ugly in body, heart, soul and mind.

“you’d know that I commented on the Encanto fandom’s TW/Madrigalcest shippings and gave a respectful heads up that I wouldn’t be commenting much on it, although I am proship.”

Proship = okay with justifying pedophilia and incest btw.

“I wanted to follow up on that and come out here to say that I am no longer against it and for me to have been against it reveals my own hypocrisy in proship.”

Aka ‘I like to see and think about incest and pedophillia and get mad when people tell me I’m nasty for it

“This absolutely does NOT mean I condone incest in real life, nor does it mean anybody else who creates works for it does.”

No but people who do ‘condone incest and pedophilia’ use your shit to justify it. ‘Look it’s not that bad! See! They get it, they understand when a fifty year old man wants to fuck his 15 yr old niece it’s out of LOVE! I would NEVER hurt a child, I just love them! Im not like the OTHER sickos out there!”

“I just wanna take this time to dive deeper into why properly discussing proship within fandoms is becoming increasingly important in understanding how people engage with each other. The Encanto fandom is still quite young but the tendencies occurring within it must be discussed respectfully.”

You like incest and pedophillia and believe that these issues aren’t a big deal, blow off victims of incest and pedophillia by telling them it’s actually romantic and sweet and not a big deal, and you write child sexual assault, which IS beinc used by pedophilies to get off on btw. You are owed nothing but resentment and certainly not respect.

“After exploring the Encanto fandom spaces across social media, there is without a doubt an extremely large audience that indulges in Madrigalcest, canon x oc pairings, nsfw, and all different kinds of head canons.”

NOOOOO NO NO NO NO NO DO NOT COMPARE ASULT NSWF OR OC/CANON SHIPS TO PEDOPHILLIA OR INCEST BITCH DO NOT!!! Thinking an adult Pepa like to get tied up and spanked by an adult Felix is NOT the same as wanting an adult to rape his nieve (and yes, it’s rape, Idc how much you write that Camilo or Mirabel ‘wanted it’

“I have nothing against this, in fact, I encourage it. On Twitter, some of the Encanto animators have been questioned whether or not they are aware of all of this “sinful (as the morally righteous fans would argue)” fan content being made and they’ve acknowledged it in a positive manner by stating that they don’t mind and enjoy seeing how other people interpret their works. The animators have literally answered before that they are not disturbed nor against it.”

Yeah, bc the animators who is followed by CHILDREN WHO ARE FANS OF THE MOVIE would come out and talk about incest and pedophillia instead of just going ‘oh Wtf that’s sick! Anyway let’s just ignore it and not bring attention for what unfortunate fact our KIDS MOVIE has been taken over by people who think childhood sexual abuse and abusive sexual acts are no big deal (bc that is what pedophillia and incest are btw)

“Does this mean you, whoever you are, have to be proship/tolerant too? Of course not! Everybody is free to interpret media in their own ways and find comfort in whatever way suits them because SHIPPING DOES NOT EQUAL MORALITY.”

No but people do use media and trends to justify actions and thoughts 🥰

“Fictional writings, works, drawings, etc. are NOT always a direct introspective look into the artist. In 2022, I would’ve thought that internet fandoms would be “woke” enough to understand that there is no reason for anybody to harass fans through public callouts, threads explaining why they are horrible people and should harm themselves, or wish sexual abuse upon others over FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.”

Once again, you support childhood sexual assault and abusive sexual acts. You are not entitled to respect. You are are not entitled to a respectful conversation. You are not entitled to anything but scorn. People telling you to k word themselves or wish sexual abuse is wrong. Very wrong. But so is making victims of these acts go through having to have people like you go ‘oh well it’s fine, it’s just fictional incest, it’s actually romantic!’ Is wrong as well.

“If anything, we’re approaching a limit where I am STUNNED by how many younger fans are the very ones smiting each other with such violent words.”

Adults hate you too don’t forget 🥰

“There are many adults inappropriately engaging in this disgusting behavior as well with little to no regard that there is another human being behind that user screen.”

The only ‘disgusting behavior” is excusing away incest and pedophillia.

“Where is the humility when it comes to REAL fans and internet users? Is it only reserved for fictional comfort characters or for people who strictly agree with you?”

I love that ‘real fans’ imply that people who don’t enjoy and excuse away childhood sexual assault and abusive sexual acts aren’t ‘real fans’. And my humility is reserved for the victims of these actions y’all want to exude away and justify.

“I have a high tolerance for what people will interpret/create in their fictional works because I understand the human complexity that exists in trauma works.”

So EVERY person who writes Bruno/Camilo smut and tweet about how he’d get ‘one taste of him and follow him through the walls’ is a victim? What about the victims who BEG y’all to stop and who BEG y’all to understand that this is dangerous and not okay? Or do they not count bc they get in the way of your pedo ship?

“Does everybody forget that some of the most famous works were written out of needing to cope with trauma, such as death and abuse?” But I also understand that sometimes people just create things for the hell of it! Both are perfectly fine. I believe that any attempt to put a morality spectrum on somebody’s fictional works, unless they are explicitly meant to portray moral correctness, is a waste of precious time and energy.”

Calling out justifiers of pedophillia and incest is never a waste of precious time and energy 🥰. But copying and pasting a 2000 word comment on two fics whose only mention of incest is a tag is thiugg.

“The Encanto fandom is an interesting example of where the international majority across Tik Tok, YouTube, and Instagram is rooted in understanding that most of their fan works are fictional and most importantly, for for fun. On Twitter and other parts of Instagram, there is an extremely resilient American minority who attempts to oust the majority who exhibit proship tendencies and overall tolerant towards differing fanon opinions/art.”

So you’re saying ONLY Americans have issues with people justifying incest and pedophillia? Well God Bless the USA then! *salutes as an eagle screeches in the background*

“Their fandom discourse has become so extreme to where trending hashtags such as “#ShutUpGringo2022″ were used in opposition to the minority who keeps attempting to police how the majority enjoy Encanto and other Latine works.”

So hang on; white people don’t understand that apparently everyone in Colombia is aokay with incest and pedophillia, but when Hispanic people told white people to stfu, they’re in the wrong for it? Smells like racism to me

“This is such an unfortunate event and it saddens me to see how it is also not the only instance of this fandom’s conflict. There is no point in policing somebody’s experience online in fandom spaces unless they are directly harassing or causing harm to you. We have so many methods of blocking and muting users/tags, yet people will still go out of their way to express their anger against other fans.”

You mean like coming into the ‘no incest’ tag just to copy and paste a 2000 word comment into two seperate fics?

“I could understand the upheaval of the minority if Disney or the Encanto animators directly spoke up against it. However, they do not. Why wouldn’t they? Hello?”

See above.

“Any sort of fandom attention is better for their product than no attention at all lol. It wouldn’t be the first Disney controversy either. Until then, I don’t understand why would anybody go out of their way to express such deep opposition when majority of the international fandom across various social media accounts will post Madrigalcest" (Tumbler from a fellow Pro-shiper).”

Well then the majority of international fandom deserve hate and strife and to be called out on. *another bald eagle screeches majestically in the background*

“I feel like this summarizes my thoughts and the thoughts of every single Pro-shiper out there. You're not a Pro-shiper. Fine but don't bash on us. We are people too and like this person said: shipping doesn't equal morality.”

And I think my thoughts can be summarized in three simple words.

Shit up gringo.