#promestein

[quariumarts]

Promestein

Comm for @OldManHan1

[promesteinslab]

Promestein's lab is open! Her two helpers are here as well.

[nycteru]

Operation Promestein is a go!

i know its a different promestein who said that but I cant think of anything else

[westolefirefromthegods]

Asks are now open.

[snowboyclarkov]

Random Death Battle Poll - 1

Gwyn Reynolds is an absurdly intelligent trap of a boy who made himself the unofficial student of Dante Koryu... by stalking him and randomly turning up in the Victories building... after becoming interested in him and his blading when watching Dante and Delta battle Arthur. He is said to be capable of solving any math problem that exists, and up to his time as a blader had never been wrong in any of his calculations or predictions. Gwyn has always willingly holed himself up on his own, doing the same thing over and over. Despite attempts from his mum to get him to find a friend, he could never connect with anyone. His intellectual pursuits were more important. To Gwyn, the world is run on equations and formulae. They are how he judges everything and if something can't be proven by them, then they are doomed to fail. To every problem, there is always a solution.

As time went on, Gwyn was forced to look at his own emotional constitution and evolved in this regard from staunch antagonist and stubborn adversary who just wanted the opposite half to leave immediately to trusted ally near the end.

However, Dante successfully defying Gwyn's predictions started something off. A combination of the hit to his self-pride, an ever growing obsession with Dante, and the disconnect between Gwyn's conscious self and his subconscious self began to slowly drive Gwyn mental. It reached boiling point when he actively tried to reset everything and given the basis of Genesis and the tier Burst is in for a power sense, considering it to mean resetting the universe itself would not be far fetched at all. Beyblade is absurd enough to pull that sort of thing. It didn't help that Gwyn has very low emotional intelligence, and was desperate to find the answer as to why he couldn't get Dante off his mind (and why Dante favoured Delta).

Thankfully, thanks to Genesis and Dante both, Gwyn was able to make a mental recovery and make Dante his friend in a healthy manner all while discovering the meaning behind bonds to put an end to the perpetual squabble inside his heart between the conscious and subconscious. Basically, a loner and a yandere were fighting inside Gwyn's heart and it was slowly destroying him.

Gwyn also happens to be incredibly manipulative and willing to lead many people down a path to certain doom by the use of information. He lead Dante on prior to his obsession forming into a scenario where he could kill Dragon (shattering a bey is basically murder), as Gwyn also became interested in emulating Arthur who had murdered the previous iteration of Dragon with Apocalypse. Then he decided to use Arthur as a puppet for the sole purpose of getting closer to Dante - the only person in the entire world this genius cares about. To hell with (almost) all the rest. Regardless, he's not a bad person in the end, though he can be misinterpreted as one. Despite his name, looks and voice, Gwyn isn't a girl. Maybe he ought to be. There's 'trap' and then there's Gwyn Reynolds.

This battle can be anything. It doesn't have to be a physical fight, maybe a contest of manipulation involving third parties with the intent of forcing the opponent to submit first.

[wyvernseeker]

Seeing this got me thinking:

This is likely saying "Jetstream Sam should have been the final boss of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance." It's something that seems good at first thought but wouldn't actually work in practice.

Quick warning, Monster Girl Quest is the subject I will be talking about, and while no naughty images will be displayed, it's still going to be about an 18+ series, for those of whom are squeamish about that sort of thing.

Alike with Jetstream Sam for MGRR, Black Alice wouldn't have worked as the final boss of the original Monster Girl Quest, no matter how charming she may be to some or how people hate the idea of Ilias foreseeing her and Promestein's betrayl oncimong. They work as one of the last enemies you fight in their respective games, but it would be to their stories detriment if they were the end-all, be-all opponent (MGQ Paradox being a different beast altogether). Since this is about MGQ, let's continue from there.

Black Alice, aka Alipheese Fateburn VIII, is established in-story as the most depraved and evil of the Monster Lords, necessitating the legendary hero Heinrich Hein to stop her tyranny. However, Ilias, seeing her as necessary for her ultimate plan, decides to save her life (likely after Heinrich defeated her). She's established as someone who's power-hungry, sadistic, controlling and manipulative, having recruited several monsters under her banner throughout main protagonist Luka's journey. However, it's evident that while she is powerful, she's merely a co-dragon of Ilias' and that in a straight up fight against her,Black Alice wouldn't come out the victor, hence her need of Promestein using the Six Ancestor's Great Seal to weaken Ilias and then devour her (so as to make use of the White Rabbit drug she's taken in order to become the ultimate being).

Ilias, on the other hand, makes sense as the final boss. Unlike Black Alice, she is actually the cause of the system that prevents coexistence between humans and monsters. Several sorrows and tragedies such as the Queen Harpy being forced to abduct men to prevent her race from going extinct, the slaughter of Remina, the beliefs that led to the foundation of Ilias Kreuz, all of these stem from what Ilias enforces upon humans with the ultimate goal of bringing monsters to extinction. Even things she's had no direct hand insuch as the ultimately senseless sacrifice of Alice's mother Alipheese the XV in the name of coexistence is due to Ilias repeatedly resetting progress and promoting strife and conflict.

As for her planning for Promestein and Black Alice's betrayals, it would be unquestionably stupid to not do so. Even before her flashback explaining how and why she became the way she is, Promestein's meeting with her group the Seekers of Truth has her saying that even a god would have to face their fangs. Speaking of said flashback, that only further justifies why Ilias would need to keep her back guarded until the time was right, as to a scientist like Promestein, having your life's work and research repeatedly denounced and you branded as a heretic would be borderline unforgivable. Plus, as we see with Promestein, while unquestionably brilliant as well, she still isn't infallible, as seen with her complete surprise at Luka being able to use Serene Mind to dodge her attacks even though she had placed a seal on the four elements (forgetting that Granberia can also use the technique despite not having any elemental spirits, even weak ones) As for Black Alice, the fact that she's willing to work with someone who's made it clear in her dialogue that she wants the extermination of monsters and the fact that she is willing to betray the monsters she once ruled over by allying herself with the one trying to commit genocide on them in order to try and rule the world for once makes her no more trustable.

As for the battle you have against Black Alice, it's not as grandiose as Ilias', despite having more phases. Yes, Black Alice can use all four artificial elemental spirits and is even capable of canceling out Luka's should he try to have more than one summoned, but these don't truly imbue her attacks with the elements like we see with Luka, as well as the fact she only uses them in her final phase (and one at a time at that) after she loses control of her powers and becomes a mass of tentacles and flesh (thanks, Setouchi). Not to mention, all three of her phases have only Luka and Alice fight her. Speaking of her final form, the one who will often be attacking more in that battle won't be Luka, but Alice herself, and it's not uncommon to see Alice land the killing blow on her in the battle.

In contrast, Ilias' second and final phase has the Four Heavenly Knights as well as Micaela join in to help weaken the mad goddess, followed by Luka and Alice using a wind, earth, water, fire, holly and darkness-infused Quadruple Giga to finally put an end to Ilias.

[darius-the-fox]

Darius is interested in race change.

It seems Darius is looking for a teacher or a mentor he can learn from.

[seekeroftruthpromestein]

Promestein, what do you fear the most?

People taking my words out of context and using them to justify their ignorant beliefs.

[ancientsofvictory]

Any opinions on promestein (I think I spelt her name right)

It seems that Promestein is an incredible scientist, no matter what world she's from.

[notlukathefakehero]

Ooc: Anon who sent the questions about the memories, mindsets, etc here. When you were saying that I should ask Promestein or someone smarter, were you saying you had an active Promestein blog? If so, what's the @ of them?

I do not have an active Promestein blog, sorry.

[enigmaincrimson]

Elena would like to point out that as amusing as it would be to introduce the idea of Crypto to Promestein, she wouldn't wish that on anyone and is going to keep that bit of insanity to herself.

[promesteinslab]

Opinions on luka

[enigmaincrimson-personal]

Some random rambles.

I should eventually give the Monster Girl Quest it's much overdue rewrite, but motivation is kind of shot for that verse right now.

Part of the problem is that It's kind of hard to calculate how someone fits into a situation without coming up with a proper chain of relationships.

Considering what "Elena" happens to be, the moment they find out her kind exists (even if their perception of her is incorrect and it is), there's going to be a race to see who can get to her first.

From the limited views of those from in-universes, Custodi could be seen as true chaos gods, even though their presence should actually be a clear indication that it's far bigger out there than even the concept of chaos being a concept, but one can only see as far as they can comprehend and trying to comprehend what is beyond comprehension leads to madness.

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I'm not sure exactly what various parties would want from her, but if we're talking big players.

Alice and Ilias likely would want to sway her favor to their side, even though if they were even a little aware of what she could do... might leave them spending more time walking on eggshells hoping she doesn't actually... go off.

Promestein would definitely want to examine her if she doesn't have tons of questions first.

_

Generally, the threat factor is vastly higher in Paradox's events than it would be in the original Monster Girl Quest.

Considering her nature, as long as Elena is in the party, fights with Apoptosis-type monsters can be avoided and are much easier to recruit as well. It's not clear why.

Recruiting her on the other hand... might be more of a challenge as events would be pushing her harder than the other timeline... and there is a high chance "Elena" might take on other identities.

Odds are that the "Goddess of Chaos" would be seeking out "Elena" in some attempt to become complete, not realizing that they are seeking their death by doing so.

[westolefirefromthegods]

Hello I am 𝐆𝐫𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐬.

[darkbutterflyplayground]

Promestein is super hidden buxom kind of wow

Lol

[wyvernseeker]

Monster Girl Quest Analysis - The Unspoken Commonality Of The Seekers Of Truth

Monster Girl Quest is a eroge about a young man named Luka seeking to bring about coexistence between humans and monsters whilst also seeking not to be violated, eaten or killed by amorous members of the latter. However, the game isn't so much focused on for the ero parts as it is for it's story, plot and characters. And one group of characters that come to mind are the Seekers of Truth.

In Chapter 3 of Monster Girl Quest, we are formally introduced to (but Luka doesn't encounter a fully assembled group of) the aforementioned group, led by heretical angel scientist Promestein. The membership consists of: the custom-made android Laplace, the necromancer succubus La Croix, the alchemist Lucia and evidently, Lily, who happened to be replaced by Lucia when defeated by Luka in Chapter 1. Despite coming from different backgrounds and being of different species (angel, machine, monster, and human respectively), they are all connected by a common desire of wanting to discover the latent truths of the world and existence itself. However, the group's members have a shared trait amongst themselves that isn't so evident at first glance: the experience of ostracization.

First, let's look at the leader of the bunch, Promestein. As we see in a flashback occurring after reminiscing about her fellow Seekers, Promestein was something of an outcast amongst her fellow angels. Being blessed with great intellect also gave her immense curiosity and a nigh unquenchable thirst for knowledge, which in turn gave her a need of wanting to understand how everything in the world works. Unfortunately, in a heaven ruled by Goddess Ilias, such willingness to question everything isn't welcomed, let alone encouraged. All her fellow angels mocked her for her unwillingness to blindly believe answers of "because Ilias wills it" or "because Ilias says so" or "to question this is to question Ilias, and Ilias should not be questioned". The final straw would come with her giving fore to humanity and being punished for it by being exiled from Heaven.

Next is La Croix, formerly known as Shirome Artiste. While not being ostracized while alive (an accident involving a dangerous chemical caused Shirome's demise whilst protecting her little sister Chrome), after turning herself into a zombie, La Croix sought out methods of truly resurrecting one from death. To this end, she assassinated various monsters and resurrected them as zombies, forming the Cirque Du Croix. Presenting her cavalcade of slain to Alipheese Fateburn XV, the Monster Lord of that time, her work of necromancy was deemed forbidden. Whilst previous members of the Artiste family used necromancy for entertaining Monster Lords of old, the lengths La Croix went through led to the practice being outlawed and the Artiste family being disgraced and shunned.

After her, we have Lucia, the human alchemist. Hailing from Witch Hunt Village and having graduated from Sabasa's national University with top marks in Magical Science studies, Lucia was subjected to the witch hunts befitting of the village's name by Lily, who had taken the position from her family after slaughtering them and ramping the witch hunts to new extremes. Sadistically experimented by Lily by having worms injected into her body and having her arms transform into tentacles. After Luka defeated Lily, Lucia escaped and was presumed deceased initially, her faith in humanity having been lost thanks to now being considered one of the outsiders Witch Hunt Village would discriminate against, as well as her torture and experimentation (and likely no one protecting her from being subjected to a witch hunt). However, when she comes back to the village she was born and soon to raze, she notices how the people have become accepting of those different from them, as seen with those subjected to Lily's cruel experiments using her tentacle arms to defend the village against her forces. This in turns leads to her leaving the Seekers of Truth, but not without leaving Promestein a letter of thanks.

Last but not least of the main members is the android Laplace. Whilst not directly ostracized or alienated by others, she herself has been kept at the Drain Lab and unable to experience the outside world. Some of her final words before being vaporized by the destruction of the Drain Lab (such order to destroy the lab being programmed into her following should it become compromised) has her wondering if she would be accepted in a world where she herself isn't human or even a monster (with Luka telling her she merely needs to coexist).

Even Lily, the cruel and tyrannical leader of Witch Hunt Village who is all but stated to be a member has experienced this. Being born as the result of an affair between her father, the chief of the village and her mother, a dancer from Sabasa, Lily and her mother were loathed and constantly shunned in the village, with the people not even bothering to hold a funeral for her mother after she worked herself to death to provide for Lily. Even her father and brothers showed her no love despite being blood. Which, in turn led her to studying magic from forbidden books and then proceeding to murder them, followed by taking over the village and increasing the witch hunts to a scale never-before seen.

As we see where Promestein wistfully thinks of her fellow Seekers after they are defeated and she alone remains (though Lily is spared no thoughts), it's evident that she truly cared for her subordinates and fellow scientific minds. After all, in one shape or another, each of them know the feeling of being unwanted and unneeded.