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musclesandhammering · 1 year ago

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I know this totally goes against the general belief that Loki was brainwashed and tortured, so I’m not saying this is exactly canon.

But my interpretation of this scene is two-fold. First, he’s saying that his plan was to piss them off on the helicarrier so they’d self destruct and he could escape (so essentially he’s taunting Tony that he was really manipulating all of them the whole time and they never actually had him subdued).

Secondly, he’s saying his plan was to piss off all the Avengers so that he’d get the war he was hoping for. Not so they could come together to fight Thanos, but so he could get them all in one place for the big showdown- to fight him.

Now he knew he’d probably lose, but that was never the point. Loki wasn’t interested in ruling. If he was, he could’ve been a lot stealthier and done it all under the avengers’ noses before they even saw it coming. He chose not to, because all he really wanted was a big fight. Chaos, destruction, war. All taking place on Thor’s precious earth. That’s his whole motivation for being a villain in this film- he’s not hungry for power, he’s angry and hurt and hungry for vengeance.

And of course Tony responds with “not a great plan.” because he’s missing a key piece of information: Loki doesn’t care about winning.

The Avengers (2012) dir. Joss “Thanos” Whedon

“What have I to fear?”

#this is not a slight against the other interpretations btw cause I love their metas #just the way I like to headcanon things #I don’t like Loki having zero agency and being physically and psychologically forced into doing the invasion #it kills the potential for so many juicy villain motivation analyses #I think he agreed to work with Thanos bc like I said a need for purpose and vengeance & also lots of anger to release #and he was scared of Thanos and he did go through some shit with him but it was never acknowledged as torture by anyone #like it was always really intense sparring sessions of ‘endurance training’ or physical modifications or smth like that #so that even though it was abusive & Thanos was inflicting it #at the end of the day it was Loki’s choice to endure it #& he knew it. and thanks knew he knew it.#so it plays into that weird manipulative culty/paternal/mentor thing Thanos has going on #but anyway #Loki’s own anger was responsible for a lot more of the New York situation than fans give it credit for I think #loki meta #pls don’t tear me apart ur better at meta than me and I don’t wanna be humiliated on this app 😂💀#loki #avengers 2012 #thanos

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