#pewdiepie discourse

[nashidakyouko]

No, I do not think that liking a problematic or even evil character means you're a bad person.

I'm not condoning the character's actions—often not even in the context of the show. And certainly, I'm not approving those actions in the real world.

But it's a story. The world won't end if someone likes a character. Sometimes they are just well-written characters (obviously not all are well-written, but that's not the point of this mini-essay). Even if they are pure evil, if that is the purpose, then good! Achieved! (i.e. Lion King's Scar, Fullmetal Alchemist's King Bradley, Buffy's Glory, Avatar's Ozai, and many more) (then some characters who are not pure evil, but treated as irredeemable or just scum, i.e. She-Ra's Catra, Princess Mononoke's Eboshi, Buffy's Faith Lehane, etc.)

I can appreciate them for what they are while still not touching them with a 39-and-a-half-foot pole if they were real.

This goes double for characters that could reasonably have redemption arcs (or who have redemption [with varying degrees of success], but for half the fans it isn't ever good enough [sometimes even for me, I admit]—because apparently bad actions make a bad, unchangeable person, forever. But that's another post).

Evil exists in every world. Only shaming it when it's convenient (such as attacking fans of a thing), does very little to help any real victims.

Instead of screaming about an evil character, consider putting that energy into helping real people, real victims, and trying to stop problems (i.e. assault, genocide, misogyny, war, official/unofficial slave labor, hate groups, etc.) in whatever little ways you can. Find a good charity and donate. Give food and money to shelters and victims. Listen to their stories. Some of them might even tell you that the fiction you are so opposed to actually helped them feel less alone. Or any number of things that might have made the story cathartic for them, making it so they like the bad guy as a bad guy. Or, hey, just ignore the people who are bugging you and enjoy whatever media you want. Put your energy there instead unless the truth isn't that you don't care about victims, and you're just virtue-signalling.

*This is not about actual victims who are being upset or triggered. The only thing I have to say there is that you can go to a different media. Be safe, but don't tell OTHER POSSIBLE VICTIMS that the way they cope is inherently bad.

**ABSOLUTELY you can dislike characters or whatever. You can entirely judge them as evil and immoral. I am not saying you have to go along with every single thing. ABSOLUTELY you should not have to engage with things that you hate or make you uncomfortable or even triggered! None of this was meant to undermine any of that. I mostly just mean that everyone has their own experience AND fiction follows different rules, usually for the sake of telling a story. You do NOT have to engage or fake being comfortable. You CAN say you have issues with something. You should say! But your experience is not EVERYONE'S experience, so everyone—on both sides of this—needs to be more mindful of that.

***writing essays about the evils of characters and even how they may reflect or affect the real world is totally a different thing than screaming endlessly about it online. No problem there.

[unicornlovers10]

TBH fuck Pewdiepie. If you're still defending him, then dni.

Hey I’m once again seeing discourse about PewDiePie (probably because he has been welcomed back into the larger community of youtube personalities playing Among Us like Corpse Husband, JackSepticEye and Cr1tikal) and I just want to remind people of his ugly racist history that he has never properly put behind him and in fact continues to perpetuate.

His fanbase has always been racist. He was one of the first big YouTubers and he has always made racially charged jokes and has said the n-word in videos - notably, targeting somebody else with it. I watched his content when I was a young child, I experienced these things first hand. There were racist jokes, rape jokes, and generally sexual jokes targeted for his younger demographic. He has always been known as problematic, as problematic was used back in 2012.

A preamble to his first exposé: in November 2016 he showed up to a taping of his own series produced by Maker Studios (Disney) wearing a shirt with a swastika on it. Somebody told him to change. He denies this ever happened, but acknowledged that the shirt exists. There are photos of him and a friend wearing it.

The thing he got caught for was when he paid two men $5 to write and hold up a sign with the words “Death To All Jews”. His apology was half-assed. He apologized for the way that it came across and did not acknowledge the reasons that it was wrong. Febuary 2017: he descends into utter alt-right reactionism, harassing the WSJ journalist and sending his fans after the publication to the point where the Journal offered to put the journalist in a safehouse.

September 2017, he called somebody he n-word on stream, just weeks after Charlottesville occurred - where his imagery, jokes, and memes were used as motivation. He went on to say he had no idea that Nazis actually existed, that the Nazi jokes he was making weren’t funny anymore, and that he would not be making them anymore.

In March 2019, a white supremacist livestreamed himself saying “Subscribe to PewDiePie” before committing mass-shootings in two Christchurch mosques, killing dozens and injuring more. He responded with a single tweet, that he felt sickened that his name left the man’s mouth, and that his heart went out to the people affected. Later, he called for an end to the Subscribe to PewDiePie meme and promised $50,000 to the Anti-Defamation League. He then retracted his decision, saying that he did not want to donate to something that he was not passionate about.

Felix Kjellberg has never made a single attempt to rid his fanbase of actual literal Nazis and white supremacist scum because he built his platform around them. He alone has radicalized probably half of the white nationalist/supremacist/Nazi men in America ages 18-25.

I will never forgive him.

This is taken from the Guardian article from above:

You could say that today’s digital economy has spawned a new “bro-nality of evil”. Racist memes serve as in-jokes that help solidify bonds between alienated white men online. The style of these memes, their overblown exaggerated nature, means we often don’t take them seriously. Dismiss them as jokes. But this is how antisemitism creeps into our lives. Not with a bang but with a punchline.

Happy Chanukkah, everyone.

[roadhogsbigbelly]

you can say what you want now but you decided to start this campaign because she said stardew valley isn’t anti-capitalist. you targeted a trans woman for pedojacketing because she criticized your cozy farms game.

ok let me get this straight.i did not criticize her because she didn't like the ideology in stardew valley. i thought her take on incest shipping was dumb before that, it's why i made this post

i made this before i even saw the stardew valley take. and when i did post a take on it it it didn't use names and censored the names in the post i showed. as for it being a "targeted harassment campaign" my inital post only got like 70 notes before i deleted it and i didn't really expect she'd see it all. it wasn't until i woke up with death threats in my inbox that i realized she found out she saw it.

and i'm not saying i received death threats to try to garner sympathy, death threats are bad obviously, but even people who deserve to be harshly criticized receive death threats, doesn't mean they deserve it, but it doesn't suddenly make other criticism invalid. i'm mentioning said death threats because i genuinely would of not have made any more posts discussing this if i wasn't informed anyone important actually saw it.

i'm not sure how popular txttletale is, she regularly get's posts in the 20k but to be so do i sometimes? although most of my posts about this situation only get like 40 to 200 notes which them being split by positive and negative engagement, while her posts about the situation seem to get around 1k to 3k notes with most of them being positive? so it seems more people generally agree with her than me, which isn't to say that automatically "makes me in the right" or "the underdog" but you can see why i feel the need to defend myself and "double down" right?

like this isn't this first time i've been "harassed at a massive scale" but calling THIS that is admittedly an overstatement considering i've only recieved like 3 death threats and accusations of transmisogyny when i've gone through WAY worse, like when i got harrassed and sent death threats and drawn cp for saying "the arby waifu" is cringe (look that up), or sent deaths threats by radfems for linking an essay written by a trans woman that i thought was a great discussion on gender, or sent death threats for radfems for saying that i thought sex work was alright. oh also i got harrassed by pewdiepie fans but does anyone even remember him? so like yeah comparatively this is nothing

the only reason this DOES sting is because i've lost some mutuals over this, not even because "they chose her over me" or other dumb shit like that but because they were just tired of seeing the discourse which fair enough.

and to be honest i don't really think txttletale is like. a bad person or whatever. i'm sure she has been harrassed before, and i do genuinely respect some of her opinions like her more nuanced takes on ai or sex work or whatever. to be honest i wouldn't have made a big deal about the stardew valley take if it wasn't for that one incest post which is what i'm stuck on because they're are a ton of bloggers on here that i otherwise respect who occasional endorse or parrot beliefs i think suck because it doesn't have a big glowing "pedophilia is bad" button on it. i don't hate the take because SHE agreed with it, i think the take is bad no matter who it's coming from. i hate this idea that "age play" or "incest shipping" exist in a bubble because it doesn't, i do genuinely know people who were hurt by it, and it's just really sad seeing people i otherwise respect who seem to care about homophobia or transphobia or racism in media kind of just dismiss concerns of post's that could be potentially endorsing shitty beliefs. it's tiring.

so uh. yeah i guess that's it? any more questions?

[ariel-s-awesome]

I'm Ariel (they/them), an American agender aro/ace living in the CST. My main special interests are Wander Over Yonder and Detective Conan, although it's been awhile since I've posted about DC here.

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Please read by BYF. It'll be my only warning before I block.

Don't interact with me if you enjoy

South Park

Harry Potter

Pewdiepie

Pedophilia (yes, a fictional child is a child)

Incest

Or if you try to dictate other people's identities. This means that if you don't unconditionally support the following and their place in the queer community I don't want you around:

Aromantics and asexuals

Bi lesbians, he/him lesbians, whoever else they're after now. (Pssst: Read up on lesbian separatism and the intertwined history of butches and transmascs.)

Whoever the current "discourse" target of the day is because everything I know about that shit is againist my will. Nobody's existence is inherently harmful. Your oppressors hate you too much to pretend to be queer. Gender and sexuality are too complex to shove into neat little boxes. Cishets aren't gonna stop oppressing you because you throw the "weirder" queer people under the bus.

Just stop spreading radfem/conservative rhetoric with different targets.

Do us both a favor and block me too so I don't have to see you around

[mcytblr-archive]

Early MCYTblr Interviews: warpedfungusonastick

today's interviewee is warpedfungusonastick, who's been in MCYTblr since the summer of 2020 and is a member of dreamlying! below is a transcript of their account of early MCYTblr.

Digging back into what I have of my online history, I started the tumblr blog warpedfungusonastick in late July 2020. Beforehand I had a very small <20 follower dttwt account and saw that the Tumblr community was more my vibe. I was 18 when I got into being a dteam ~fan and my personal views on fandom and stan culture and parasocial relationships were, while still evolving, kind of against a lot of the culture that was growing up around especially the twitter fan community.

(This being said, this was the depths of COVID lockdown and I rarely left my house because I was a senior in high school in the U.S. and living with someone who absolutely could not get sick. So I was terminally online and can definitely say in retrospect deeply invested in the fan culture and even the creators/their online personas while being semi-ironically self aware of this relationship.)

I first saw a dteam video in later 2019. Funny enough (and not funny at all, because I think about these Patterns quite a lot), I had then just left the Cryaotic fandom. If you don't know, he was an old friend of pewdiepie who split with him around the time of or before the multiple pewdiepie scandals and pewdiepie whistling off several alt-right dog whistles and that whole thing. But back to the point, like a month after i became a regular Cryaotic Twitch viewer, a long expose came out about him being abusive to his ex-girlfriend and a groomer of underaged fans. Cryaotic was a faceless streamer whose iconography was this little blob thing and I will not abandon the theory that the origins of Dreamwastaken fanart are the direct successor to humanized fanart of this Cryaotic persona.

Through the whole Cryaotic thing I first found out about kiwifarms/lolcow. What stuck to me, beyond the abhorrent stuff said on those sites, was that they had a pretty clear system of archiving things using sites such as archive.is and were completely unafraid to post "doxxed" materials anonymously.

Commentary on DL interviews: - I fully second what georgesoot said about "No it's not odd, I at least partially strove for infamy. Any attention gratifies the ego after all, not just positive attention. Then there was the absurdity of it all". I tried to be a lot less controversial than some other DL members, but I did run with them and did say some things that weren't within the typical conventions of more mainstream and popular blogs of the time. It was a dopamine hit for people to interact with my blog--like any social media--but I/we did it in a kind of absurdist way at a point with the things we said and the ways we kind of transgressed whatever the normal way of being a fan blog was. - Re: Wormweeb--I was also kind of mentally ill and depressed and really only interacted with both friends online (even if they were friends from school). And as a result I took it all a bit more seriously than it was at the time. This is is less related but I used to get these--visceral? reactions to when Drama would happen because I was personally invested more so because I didn't want my online friend group who (although seen as a united front on the outside sometimes, I think) each had our Faves in the mcyt space and had had petty infighting over the morals of that (both seriously and unseriously, but everything starts to bleed, in my opinion).

More about my previous exposure to Minecraft fandom: I used to follow mianite back in the day and watched a lot of captiansparklez & aureylian. Since I joined the dteam fandom before any blog presence I was there for their very first streams (which got like…5k views 10k?) and the birth of the dsmp as essentially a server for friends (which led to minor discourse later when the line between roleplay and people on a MC server blurred.)

So my points of reference for these types of fandoms were a fandom that was very much for younger children (Mianite) and therefore the creators were treated with more distance and the recently up-in-flames Cryaotic fandom.

Back to doxxing/archiving/odd relation between: I used to joke about the tension between the right to privacy and to be forgotten on the internet and the right for nosy teenagers with too much time on their hands (and literally obsession brainworms) to dig up your past. Two things I think that were interesting about the most (in my opinion) morally dubious element of mcytblr and most people formed their negative opinions of critblr on was the having/knowing "forbidden" information. Most of this we were either told by randos or knew through other people online. A lot of it also ended up on Dream's kiwifarms, but that was a bit of a two-way street.

And the second part of this whole thing is the way that this information would come up among The Discourse. Because knowing some of the things we/I knew, you could call out creator's lies/misrepresentations of their histories/online pasts in ways that people who didn't know couldn't. Which was kind of where some of the in-jokes came from. I also took the habit of archiving things (old accounts, posts, whatever) to archive.is and such at the time because I fell on the 'I don't want this digital history to be erased if only for my own sanity.'

I think this has been rehashed before, but at every corner, the mcyt/dteam fandom was a fandom like any other, complicated by the fact that it was a real person fandom. And especially on tumblr where the Culture was a little different because no creators (few creators) were on Tumblr, people kind of just said and did whatever. I struggle to think of any of this as important in the grand scheme of anything, but there was a massive outpour of content because of the sheer size of the fandom across all platforms. There was 24/7 content, big fomo, and so I think blogs acted like pundits--like a forum on the newist in DSMP or Love or Host or MCC or whatever. My memory of that time has atrophied a lot but I think that DL and co. cropped up as the pundit subclass (however some of us had actual talent like wormweeb and made fanworks) and the fandom overall was sustained by a sprawling form of Conversation on the Latest Content.

Q: right-- and while other blogs caught people up on streams, dream lying was more interested in meta on the creators themselves?

I think that was a part of it. We were all united in this semi-ironic cynicism about fandom culture as a whole while being fans ourselves, and we socially shared this Vision of a number of variably worded critiques about - stan culture - cancel culture - the dangers/pitfalls/intricacies of these.

I think a lot of it was just shits and giggles, but at least I at one point had this idea that I was a tiny little measured response to the excess of fandom culture. I looked down on uncritical fandom and thought that especially because some of these creators cultivated deeply parasocial relationships with their young fans (I was not much older, but all 18 year olds are Like That) it was some sort of imperative to talk about that at least a little bit.

As I read through my old posts--these was a lot of self important a lot of rambling a lot of nonsense. And I don't really think that these fandom culture can be changed by one little microblogger with a couple hundred followers, but I stand by a lot of my initial criticisms of the ecosystem as a whole and mainly the creators themselves and their (heh) lying, their harm, their overall misconduct and above all the systems that created and enable their whacky ass bullshit to this day. .

But the doubled edged sword of (I return to the forbidden info thruline) I never really shared info that was private because I wanted to be somewhat ethical, so it always felt a bit like we/I was going crazy with things I knew to be true but obviously wouldn't share because that's nor super moral.

Another note about The Rumors and DreamLying--in my memory we kind of thought were Something. And I guess we've been nudged along in that perception but I think the most vocal and controversial of us just said wild shit that stuck in people's brains and for the longest time I didn't associate myself with dream lying at all on Warpedfungus because I wanted to be Somewhat Normal, if measuredly critical and just…vibing. But I think at circles back to a lot of this being wank amongst a handful of terminally online people who at the time didn't get out enough and, like, fixated on this Thing because it was community (or a facsimile of) and at the end of the way we're all just archives or archived pages or gone forever.

(Which reminds me that for the longest time I had you and Roxytonic blocked because I thought archiving was corny but I now think it's kind of cool. It's a nostalgia trip, if anything else. I'm now in another fandom that would've really benefited from some hardcore archiving because so much of the old internet (and fan spaces amongst them--ie ff.net, livejournal, even more underground spaces) are completely lost to the sands of time and the deletion of those hosting sites, etc)

Q: i am very interested in your thoughts on, as you mentioned before in reference to cryaotic, the way that creators cultivate and manipulate fanbases, and the effects you think it had on how the mcytblr fandom

Dream, along with "learning/studying the algorithm" and getting insanely lucky, did many specific things to cultivate a fandom of immensely parasocial fans. And regardless of my cynical vision of what his motives were, his actions of wanting to be seen as a 'friend', sharing many personal details, being accessible to fans, DMing young stan accounts, following fan accounts, OKaying a lot of fanworks about him/his personal and the whole…gaybaiting (you know what i"m referring to) thing had the result of a very large very dedicated fanbase.

As far as cryaotic, it's my theory that dream knew the effect on having a very…intimate…relationship with his conventionally not ugly young white man friend, and used that. And as far as the other element that I associate between dteam/cryaotic--these were men who had very boring lives and probably saw themselves as undesirable to women Until they had this massive following and this kind of situation happens time and time again where people get Influence that didn't used to have and do messed up things with it. And I don't know what's to be done, but it's quite bad and completely goes against the "wholesome" image they try to cultivate. If not some of the stuff being actually crimes.

I think the common perception is sometimes that these cases are "bad apples" when there are so many bad apples And not even in the man aint shit way, but unlike more conventional routes to Fame, mcyts have no oversight unless they join and esports org and still then…the org may just side iwth them if it's worth it. And that's not to say that this stuff doesn't happen with conventional celebrity and even on college campuses and in everyday life and whatnot but I think people in such a public eye should be held to standards of conduct that may prevent some of this.

[afoxyblogger]

this is one of those things like ‘yeah [fandom] is great! DON’T JOIN IT THOUGH.’ kinda situations

Yeah airr pisses me off. I'm not the og poster but I found proof for the pewdiepie thing. they’re just SO dense. (Should be in order- I tried to cut out things that weren’t on topic lol.)

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So

Not seeing anything about it on my dash, had to find out about it on a post I reblogged and then deleted cos it seemed in poor taste considering

James Somerton posted a suicide note a day ago, and now the most annoying and evil people on twitter are jumping on it for either twitter clicks (Peter Coffin etc) or to frame "leftists" generally and HBomb/Harris specifically as harrassing him into suicide (homophobic conservatives, Internet Historian fans, people who are STILL bitter about the PewDiePie video). You literally have everyone from scorned "leftist" youtubers to AI bros who are Pro Plagiarism to the most absurdly racist and sexist slugs to "socialists" who think asking to Credit people you source information from is Capitalist Gatekeeping, gleefully banding together to condemn "leftist breadtube" for the crime of calling out plagiarism, with the conservatives comparing it to their use of sites like Kiwifarms.

I don't really have anything to Share about this other than to mention it here so your first exposure to the current discourse is not Peter Coffin accusing Harris of murder or something, and so maybe you can avoid it entirely if reading an amalgam of the worst people you've already been exposed to for the last decade's opinions isn't really your thing

[emma-is-swaggy-and-epic]

Probably alphys and the ghost cousins

That's a tough one......idk

I've been in this fandom since i was 10 and this game has way too much sentimental value for me to leave....aside from that though, y'all are mostly chill

That part in the alphys date scene where undyne is like "i don't care if you like manga, you're a great person" or whatever

Death by glamour

PACIFIST IS THE ONLY TRUE ENDING IDC

I NEVER PLAYED IT!!!! My sister just showed me pewdiepie's lets play of the game one day

Mad mew mew

Probably the alphys date scene

Again, never played the game

Honestly that was so long ago that i don't really remember...i was probably scared tbh

I USED to headcanon them as a boy but i have since seen the light and now i headcanon them as intersex nonbinary

Alphys...just her antisocial demeanor and her dorkiness REALLY resonate with me

Idk...probably papyrus?

I'd probably just phase right through it if i tried.....

Probably temmie, i mean....i'm an anxiety-ridden mess and i don't think that would mesh well with the other characters bombastic personalities, temmie seems kinda chill despite her goofiness

Never played the game

Never played the game

I mean....considering i watched pewdiepie's playthrough of the pacifist ending and THEN watched the game grumps playthrough of both pacifist AND genocide....i'd say pacifist

Waterfall, idk...it's kinda chill

Hard to say....probably nabstablook's house or alphys' lab

Nonbinary

Gaster was nonverbal and used sign language to communicate, thus why he's called "the man who speaks in hands"

Cinnamon

Honestly i never really thought about it....i've kinda been wanting to draw what i think they looked like when they were alive though...

That one rock in the ruins

Fuck jerry, marry jerry, kiss jerry, kill jerry IN THAT ORDER!!!!!!

No.

I'm not particularly into UTAUs but i really like outertale :)

Honestly i have a lot of AUs i don't like....most AUs these days are just "undertale but the characters are switched around #7633756642373463" and i'm kinda tired of seeing it, how about we get an AU where the underground is just a giant ikea or something?

Honestly not really....like, YEAH i get to meet fun quirky characters but i also risk breaking my neck and dying (or at the very least having to use a wheelchair for the rest of my life) from falling down

I don't have an undersona but if i did it'd probably be a purple bunny that looks like an old desktop buddy like clippy or bonzi buddy

Because i have a lot of really great memories with the game, like i said: i first got into this game when i was 10 and this game is just so special to me because it's the first fandom i ever joined besides my little pony...

N/A

Glamburger.....honestly i just wanna see what a hamburger with a shitton of glitter on it tastes like

Either endogeny or snowdrake's mother

Honestly i haven't really thought about it past the "speaking in hands" thing, though as an undertale veteran i kinda can't really see him as anything other than sans and papyrus' papa

Yes :)

Honestly i don't draw a lot of undertale fanart because idk how i can even translate most of the characters in my cutesy UwU artstyle

Probably purple or green

Idk

Honestly i'm not as into undertale to the point of "putting characters next to a song like paint swatches" anymore

Idk if you're talking about an AU where everyone's a vocaloid or if you're talking about all the sans/papyrus covers of songs from back in the day but if you're talking about the latter, i LOVED them back in the day!

I don't really care about the asgore discourse tbh

No but i watched the game grumps and jacksepticeye do it

YES!!!!! I watched the pewdiepie one first, THEN the game grumps one, and then a few years later (just 2 years ago i think) i watched the jacksepticeye one

Ashes by NateWantsToBattle is a good one (i also like his deltarune song just a dreamer) the ways that i have died by PixieMage is ALSO a good one, it's a parody of the song ways to say goodbye, i also like shadrow's song hard drive as well as his tasque manager song CTRL

Idk

Tsunderplane

I personally headcanon that they hate humanity because they were emotionally abused and neglected by their parents and the kids at school didn't want to hang around them because they liked playing with roadkill, them falling into the underground was a failed suicide attempt

Dogamy and dogaressa

Probably fear, i don't really remember

A bit of a generic choice but i like revtrosity and his friends' voice acting in his "saying a lot of things as ____" series, i don't like comic dub videos that much but that's a good one

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME I NEVER PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME!!!!

Y'know...as a kid i thought papyrus was the oldest since he's taller but i think it's obvious sans is the oldest

Honestly i don't ship anyone in undertale, i used to ship petalflake back in the day but that's about it

I'm mostly neutral about most undertale ships but like....idk, charisk and soriel don't sit well with me, though that could just be because of all the anti-soriel propaganda i saw back in the day and the fact that my first exposure to charisk was a comic dub of them making out in my youtube suggested tab when i was 11.....oh yeah and fuck anyone who ships pedophilia, incest or anything of the sort

Papyrus and undyne are THE friendship of all time!!!

The bridge seed puzzle in waterfall

N/A

I honestly never hated flowey in the first place

The true pacifist ending leaves me in tears EVERY SINGLE TIME

True pacifist

Honestly i think they're nine, i feel like that's old enough to understand what flirting is and young enough to still find enjoyment in playing through the leaves like the flavor text in that one ruins save point says

I mean....when i'm done writing my original story "mundane believers" i have plans on writing an undertale fanfic where sans and papyrus start a band, does that count?

That one bunny girl and her little brother in snowdin, i love bunnies so much you have no IDEA

Humans are overrated, monsters are WAY cooler

That part at the end of the snowdin section where papyrus literally fucking levitates

(Nice) FUCK YOU I'M KINKSHAMING

Never played undertale

N/A

Alphys

Sans i guess

When i first got into undertale i had a bobcut similar to frisk and chara and i REALLY liked the two because of that fact so if i still had that haircut today i'd cosplay one of them but i have since grown my hair out so my choice would probably be mad mew mew

I CAN'T GO TO HELL, I'M ALL OUT OF VACATION DAYS!!!!!

Undertale asks

[SPOILERS!]

1. Who’s your favourite character from UT? 2. Who’s your least favourite character from UT? 3. Your opinion about UT fandon: 4. What’s your favourite quote? 5. What’s your favourite soundtrack? 6. Pacifist, neutral or genocide? 7. Why did you decide to play UT? 8. Favourite battle? 9. Favourite scene? 10. Your first letter to Mettaton was: 11. Your reaction when you saw Omega Flowey for the first time: 12. Your headcanon about Frisk’s gender: 13. Which UT character reminds you of yourself? 14. Which UT character reminds you of your best friend? 15. Would you smooch a ghost? 16. Which UT character would be your best friend? Why? 17. Do you remember your first killed character? Who was that? 18. Did you do sth in game you regret? 19. Which ending was your first? 20. Your favourite land in UT and why: (Snowdin, Waterfall or Hotland) 21. Your favourite place in UT and why: (Undyne’s house for example) 22. Your headcanon about River person’s gender: 23. Your headcanon about one of the UT characters: 24. Butterscouch or cinnamon pie? 25. Your opinion/headcanon about six human souls: 26. With who would you go on a date? 27. Marry, fuck, kiss and kill: 28. Do you wanna have a bad time? 29. Your favourite UT au: 30. Your least favourite UT au: 31. Would you want to fall into underground? 32. Describe or draw your undersona: 33. One reason why you love UT: 34. One reasom why you hate UT: 35. If you could choose one type of food from UT, what would it be? 36. Your favourite amalgamate: 37. Your headcanon about Gaster: who do you think Gaster is to Sans and Papyrus? (Father, brother, uncle etc) 38. Your opinion about bad puns: 39. Do you draw fanarts from UT? If yes, then what do you like the most to draw? 40. Which of human souls fits you the most? 41. What would be the first thing you would to show to Sans, Papyrus or the rest of characters in human world? Why? 42. Which song reminds you of UT or one of the UT characters? Why? 43. Your opinion on underloid: 44. Do you forgive Asgore for what he’s done? 45. Did you pay for Tem’s college? 46. Have you seen any youtube letsplay of UT? 47. Do you listen to any fanmade songs? If so, then which are your favourite? 48. What are your favourite theories? 49. Who is your favourite enemy? (Not including boss monsters) 50. Do you have any headcanons about Chara’s past? (Why they hate humanity, why did they fell to the underground etc) 51. Who is your favourite dog? 52. What was your reaction to true lab? 53. Your fabourite voice acting: 54. At the end of pacifist run did you stay with your friends or did you come back to your family? 55. Who is older - Sans or Papyrus? 56. Your OTP(s): 57. Your NOTP(s): 58. Your BROTP(s): 59. Your favourite puzzle: 60. Which battle was the hardest for you? 61. Did you still hate Flowey after you discovered his true indentity? 62. The saddest moment: 63. Which ending is your favourite? 64. How old do you think Frisk is? 65. Any post pacifist run headcanons? 66. Your favourite NPC: 67. Humans or monsters? 68. The funniest situation: 69. Skeletonfucker, robotfucker, goatfucker or kinkshaming? 70. When playing for the first time how many candies did you take? 71. Did you kill or spare Flowey at the end of the game? 72. If you had to be one of the main characters, which would you choose? 73. If you had to kill one of the main characters which would you choose? 74. Which character(s) would you like to cosplay? 75. Your favourite Burgerpants’ quote?

@w-k-t-k

[my-special-place-in-hell]

Hey i just saw your tags in the last post and do you mind me asking.. What is the tumblr treatment of pewdiepie? I missed entirely the whole thing and i am really curious, and you seem like a person to know i guess?

Oh i am not the right person to ask at all :D I've just been seeing many posts with many notes about how hes this evil anti-semite because of 'problematic' stuff he did years ago. (Edit: and like really vicious and hateful stuff extended to ppl who like/defend him, not just the rightful “he did a bad thing once”) The biggest thing was he accidentally said the n-word during a live stream in 2017, after which he has apologised numerous times, taken a break, and actually changed his ways. The whole anti-semite thing was largely a product of the wall street journal just having beef with him for some reason and taking lines from his videos out of context?

And like i watched him for years through the worst of it, so I know his side of the story, but since that side is told in multiple long videos, I guess a quick post saying: "famous white guy = neo nazi. lets spew hate to feel better about ourselves, abstaining from including any neuance in this discussion because what he is accused of is Unforgivable" is a far better way to form and enforce an opinion about him...

[brettdoesdiscourse]

just saw someone (on tumblr) say that “dream smp is PewDiePie for people who use the toothpaste flag” and i am. so tired. worst take ive ever seen.

I haven't seen that take before, but I can absolutely believe it.

I just wonder if it's coming from the "oh my god this Youtuber is racist in my opinion and that's JUST LIKE the dream smp where a person who appeared like twice was supposedly racist"

Or if it's coming from the take of "this gaming Youtuber was purposefully annoying and loud to be entertaining, which is just like this literal teenager having fun and being annoying."

Which, either way, is dumb. Like, are you talking without having any understanding of situations at all or are you salty that people on the internet dare to be cringy when they're having fun?

Also. That toothpaste comment is just....Not it.

[werewolf-cuddles]

PewDiePie: *decides not to donate to the Anti-Defamation League because it’s not an organization he feels passionate about, and it felt insincere, and is instead going to take the time to personally choose a better charity to donate the money to instead*

Twitter Dipshits: “PEWDIEPIE IS BOWING TO THE ALT-RIGHT BY CANCELLING HIS DONATION! STILL THINK HE’S NOT RACIST!?”

I swear, it’s like they didn’t even bother watching his video. I mean, let’s be honest here, they never do, because this is the internet, so why do research when shouting automatically makes you right?

[channelworldbluez]

Ohhh hmmmm okay I’ll answer but I hope this don’t put me in the hot seat lol but basically I (and to this day) watch a bunch of gaming videos and at the time I used to watch the big three I guess (Pedwdiepie, Markiplier and Jacksepticeye) and well you know…the incident happened with pewdiepie and I’m specifically talking about the N word incident anyways, now this is where I’m gonna put myself in the hot seat but I remember at the time it didn’t bother me, surprised me sure but I really didn’t feel no type of way about it. He apologized and I just continued watching him…I’m probably the worst person to ask this because the whole “white people saying the N word” discourse really don’t hit me hard as others and I usually don’t participate in that discourse because I deadass don’t care but idk 🤷🏾‍♀️ I’ve been yelled at for my nonchalant attitude towards it but like how can you get me to gaf about something like that like I’m not saying or encouraging white people to say it but at the time I don’t have a visceral hatred towards it.

And then there’s probably a more better example but idubbz was another creator I used to watch and did an 180 but I always felt like it was fake or forced, I stopped watching after that tbh I wished he go back to the edgy stuff ngl…

God I hope I don’t open the floodgates of hell with this one.

This question mainly for my black gyns, but honestly I am curious to hear from any POC gyns.

What is a situation where you are willing to give a second chance to a public figure who, in the past, has been openly racist? Or rather, is there a situation where you feel comfortable (re-)engaging with them?

Whether that was in the name of being an edge lord or that they were genuinely racist (two sides of the same coin, honestly). But they apologize and state that they want to turn over a new leaf. They start creating content devoid of their earlier racist content. Regardless of how the rest of the audience is responding to this new change.

If you have real life examples, that would be great to hear too. This obviously pertains to something for me personally, lol. But I personally struggle with it and wanted to hear similar or different perspectives.

[lofijazz]

What a drama queen like yeah that's what happens when you cultivate a follower base of terrorists and misogynistic men and that one girl who says she likes PewDiePie to show she's nOt lIkE oThEr GirLs

[reallyverynormal]

are there actually any jewish ppl/poc that support pewdiepie bc so far most of the ppl ive seen supporting him are cishet white dudes that are also those weirdo anti-sjws that think saying a slur when youre angry is okay