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I've been thinking about how to push Hornblower to his breaking point recently and I think the best way to do it would be to put his compassion and his duty in conflict in a way where he could either be a good person and put his naval career in jeopardy, or be a tyrant but maintain his position. I think that these often come into conflict in the narrative, but he always finds some sort of loophole and manages to worm through without having to sacrifice either ideal. I think that it would be really fun to push him into a corner and make him choose, though. I can see both scenarios leading to interesting results.
#personally i do think he is actually often guilty of being less compassionate than he thinks he's being#which is also why i think he has a negative character arc. but that's just me#i do think he needs to be forced to choose between System and Ideals though i think that would be fun#i think you could make him desert like that it's the best i've got as a way to get him out of there#i understand that this is anathema to the adventure story protagonist who needs to always come out on top in every way#however. hornblower should not have been stuck in an adventure book he's wasted on it#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#sorry for posting so much weird meta i just have a lot of Thoughts#side note: the doughty incident is one of the few cases where i think we nearly get this. however he doesn't ever face consequences#there's a couple of other points where i think it gets kind of close but cs forester always swerves at the last minute :/
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*Goes to a therapist and hands them the entire Hornblower series* Read these and then I'll have whatever he's having
#truly concerning the amount of similar behaviors we exhibit ummmm anyways#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott
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I know that I just finished Hornblower and also that I took so much psychic damage from it and complained the whole way but I need to reread it so badly actually
#honestly just through flying colours though. the rest can stay in containment#i downloaded all of them from fadedpage.com and organized them in a little folder and the temptation to just start reread is great#hornblower stockholm syndrome. someone get me out of here#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott
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HORNBLOWER REPUBLICAN ARC WHERE ARE YOU
#YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME#HE'S SO CLOSE. SO SO CLOSE. GIRL JUST GO ROGUE#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#(and the show screenwriters)
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Very funny how neither CS Forester nor Patrick O'Brian were buried in England. Guys really said yeah I'll write about it but I don't like it that much
#it makes sense for both of them they seemed to like their adopted countries better and pob seemed halfhearted about englishness anyway#but it is very funny that they spent a whole lot of their lives in the united states and france respectively#this re: discussion of the guys' graves and whether or not to visit#i'm going to go to cotlliure this summer though my parents refuse to believe me but i'll make it work#french can't stop me it's just badly pronounced catalan and i'll only speak to old people if i have to#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#The Creative Endeavor and other aubreyad nonsense#going to go to sleep before my powers of speech get any further disjointed goodnight
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Also minor and likely underinformed complaint but for all that I absolutely love the dynamic in "The Frogs and the Lobsters" I do think it completely erases and simplifies the politics of Brittany at that time and place
#i do think it's delightful that they put in a very clear narrative that the brutality of the aristocracy was bad actually#(and that did come from forester so good for him on that count)#as a side note i think that british navy napoleonic war fiction has a deeply fascinating relationship with the french revolution#but that's a dynamic to unpack in another post#HOWEVER. i think there was a reason that they landed in brittany and i think it did not entirely have to do with geographical proximity#once again i will say that i have very limited knowledge of the french revolution let alone of brittany#but many interesting questions and dynamics are raised there and i wish we could explore them#(someone stop me before i pull out the gramsci)#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#tbf this is yet another unrealistic expectation for boat book and i need to stop doing this :/
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Haven't taken enough psychic damage recently maybe I need to read more Hornblower
#i started commodore i should finish it#<- statements made by guys who just reach a point of mental stability like two days ago and should Absolutely Not Do That#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott
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been thinking more about the Hornblower amputation thing & your tags. It's an increasingly weird storytelling decision the more I think about it, to give your hero such a fear & then *never have it happen to him*. Chekhov's bonesaw. I suppose it gets deflected onto Bush. ... Especially weird given elements of Hornblower's career/peculiarities are ~loosely based on Nelson, famous for leaving bits of himself all over. Hornblower is, like, NOTICEABLY unmaimed. What's with that? Theories? Thoughts??
Ohhh yes I think I've had similar thoughts - honestly, I think that's part of the narrative frustration of Hornblower is that there are multiple Chekhov's bonesaw moments and they drive me up the wall. I do think that the mention of his fear of amputation was setting up for it to happen to Bush, not him, but I don't think that that was honestly the greatest decision on Forester's part....and then again I tend to be extremely mean to Forester so maybe other people will disagree with me. That's super interesting thinking about Nelson though, because Forester seems to like and want to buy into the "fragile but brilliant man" archetype but I do think that the getting beat up and battered is possibly a necessary corollary to that?? Who knows though, real naval history people feel free to challenge me here.
Honestly the best theory I have for the lack of Hornblower maiming is that Forester really likes putting Hornblower in the torment nexus by making him experience his worst fears through the people around him, which I think on some level is worse for him - he's very empathetic (or rather, he is more empathetic than he thinks a Good Navy Man should be), so while he'll throw himself under the bus for no reason at all, seeing other characters thrown under the bus is actually a miserable experience for him. I do think that if it had been him who had lost a leg (instead of it happening to Bush) there would have been much less fuss over the whole thing, so I do think that was a good narrative decision of Forester's part. I think there's also a similar thing with people who he loves dying around him - he has a death wish and wouldn't care if he himself died, but instead he's left to sit there dealing with the weight of their deaths on his hands and the weight of moving on after that. I think that this is what Forester was (sort of) going for - especially taking into account his interest in the psychology of independent command, which this partially plays into (he can't develop meaningful relationships because people keep dying, thereby isolating him Worse) - but I disagree with how he chose to resolve it, and don't think that it can be considered a "happy" ending as-is (mostly because I strongly disagree with some of the character arcs and also with Hornblower and Barbara as endgame as they are in the books, without addressing any of their main conflicts - speaking of Chekhov's bonesaws....)
But none of that excuses the fact that Hornblower escapes from everything unscathed. Literally give the man some battle wounds or something idk - no wonder he feels like he lives in another world, he's literally untouchable :')
#not sure if any of this is coherent analysis this is just thoughts from my very tired and addled brain#it's a really interesting question. much to turn around and rotate in the mind.....#percy yells at cecil scott#asks
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This is probably Bush and also Pullings's native dialect (though I have many MANY doubts about what exactly the methodology being used here was)
#they have texts and they have informants and they have the informants read the text but i'm not really sure how that's supposed to work#anyways this is definitely the dialect pullings grew up speaking since afaik he's the son of hampshire farmers#apparently chichester is in area 5 as well so also falls under this categorization#this is very unrigorous research btw. please take everything i am saying with a grain of salt i'm just fiddling around with an old book#i'll look for a good basic primer on history/dialectology of english at the library at some point perhaps#i do not have the historical context/cross-references to verify any of this guy's claims#i just really like dialect and english-language ones are so much fun what with all the crazy vowel combos#and apparently lots of rhoticity??? he's claiming this accent was also rhotic which is a little insane#would love to read a history of rhoticity in english tbh#perce rambles#adventures in historical sociolinguistics#percy yells at cecil scott#The Creative Endeavor and other aubreyad nonsense#if you go to the source there's a lot of texts in this section i just picked one
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I did kind of enjoy the first chapter of Parkinson's Hornblower "biography" because it offered some things that I had either been wondering about or which I thought were delightful little headcanons, but I have to say that since then it has just been making me hate Hornblower an unbelievable amount and/or occasionally go he would not fucking say that
#on another note this is very similar to the little stories on hmssurprise.org in that it gives the vibes of#'someone needs to introduce these guys to the concept of fanfiction'#he's writing his own little stories about hornblower! he's making up theories about his family! girl get on ao3!#it is also like reading a fic in that sometimes you're like 'i'm going to steal that' and sometimes you're like 'he would not say that'#he is making hornblower horrifically ambitious and he's somehow doing maria even dirtier than cs forester if that was even possible#so. y'know. he's taking him in the opposite direction he's making him be exactly what cs forester wanted him to be which is perfect#and him being perfect is absolutely godawful when you don't have his personal torment nexus brain monologue going on over it#perhaps this is a light into the brain of the Boat Dad Experience when reading these books. idk#it does present a fun angle of analysis of his character he is a guy consumed by ambition i'll give him that#i'm not buying all these guys saying he'd end up happy that way though sorry#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#+ bonus yelling at my other pal cyril northcote!#i'll perhaps post stuff i found interesting if other people would like. let me know if you'd want to see that though
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🌹!
From a fic in which I throw Hornblower, who has learned to play piano by rote, in with one of Stephen and Jack's music sessions, and everything goes swimmingly, as you can tell by this very congenial start:
Hornblower, who had already decided that he disliked Aubrey immensely, baulked at the invitation, but he could not find it in himself to refuse it, an action which he felt would be very much like surrender.
Thank you very much! <33
#he is fighting for his life but also he can't just admit that he hates music because then what would become of his naval career#<- normal thought processes of normal guys. why do i have a direct line to his brain i hate it here#i also am quite pleased with the next sentence after this one but i made up a guy who i'm not sure about so i'm putting this one instead#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#scribblings & such#thank you all so much for enabling me <3333 this concludes our evening's entertainment :')
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I am picturing hornblower timeloop as some sort of clockwork device with a crank handle, and him inside, and I am eagerly turning the handle to make it go, that’s how in favor of hornblower timeloop I am
Yes! Throwing him in the manual-crank washing machine until he finally comes clean! Someone take that man for a spin!
#i hope it's okay that i'm publishing this is need to be able to see it again but also i wanted to reply to it <33#also yay glad so many people are on board with this idea!#i have the basic arc figured out but now i need to figure out how to turn that into plot points alas :(#hornblowerfic is currently winning the summer activity poll though so i think i will be writing this#he's going to have such a bad time fyi. warning in advance for particularly godawful levels of The Internal Monologue#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott
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JUST STARTED WATCHING MUTINY THIS GOES SO HARD
#you guys really didn't lie huh. this episodes might be everything actually#NEED to reread lieutenant now also#god but the tv writers get it this is so well adapted i really like what they're doing here#very yummy stuff looking forward to seeing what more they feed us#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#side note though i am still getting distracted by Ioan Gruffudd Phonetics#every time he yells he starts switching into a welsh accent it's very cool of him#/bet.ter/ okay go off we love to see it
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Ill-advised list of projects to finish this semester:
Hornblower/Aubreyad musical evening crossover event
Hornblower genderflu fic
Hornblower the Tank Engine and the Even Chance
Solomon a Gaenor extensive Solomon-lives AU first installment
Intro post w/ pictures of the four central DK characters (including actual names for them and actual clothes for them and a better understanding of their role in the narrative)
Girl don't say anything else or they're going to have to put you down
#i think the first three are doable actually. i've finished a first draft of the first and am nearly done with the second#and the third i can literally probably churn out in a day it's already half-written in my head sdfhksdf (yes i did give into my demons)#the rest....we shall see#(tbh if i can get one fic published before the new year i will be happy with that lbr)#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#The Creative Endeavor and other aubreyad nonsense#dragonkingposting
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Pictures of Muzilheg/Muzillac (Brittany) showing the squares, churches, estates, and inhabitants
#the website has a whole lot more info too if you can make out french (incl when the buildings were built and such)#augh the world we could be living in if they set the frogs and the lobsters here.......imagining her in my head.....#can't figure out when the first church was from but it seems like it was around during the revolution#the second one was not it was built later but on the site of an older church so who knows#the two estates would definitely have been there though#breizh#perce rambles#percy yells at cecil scott#what if i let breton mariette consume me. what if that
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wip words... perhaps sword, swill, and swear?
Ohh that's a delightful set of words!
Oddly enough though they are all very rare in my fics, but two did show up in Hornblower Time Loop so here they are (this is still in rough draft phase so the passages themselves might end up looking wildly different if I ever get around to finishing it):
SWORD:
There was no trick. They took her just the way he remembered the day before, and the day before that as well. The guard boat coming out to intercept them; boarding her; the sound of swords clashing through the smoke of gunshots; and then on to the Flame, where the mutineers awaited them.
SWEAR:
“We ain’t looking to hang, sir--not for the last bad business, nor for this one.” This was an older seaman with a long pigtail who Hornblower had spoken to earlier. He was a sensible man, Hornblower had thought--knew the ways of the Navy, and where to draw the line. “I swear I will not let you,” he said.
No matches for "swill" alas, but now that it's at the front of my brain who knows what might happen :0
Thank you for the ask!
#oooof this fic has been caught in the sludge for the past long while because i'm still trying to figure out what i'm doing with it#but that second passage is in a larger one which is very good and reminded me why this might actually be worth it to finish in current stat#rather than rethinking it entirely.....idk we'll see#here is a (not very) tantalizing taste nonetheless!#scribblings & such#percy yells at cecil scott
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