#people of color as a group are hypervisible (though specific groups within that are definitely not)

[nothorses]

im white so i shall not say anything on the subject of race, but disabled men (which i am) exist. do i really have to hear people say men never experience oppression ever ever ever when disability can happen to literally anyone and everyone regardless of any other factor whatsoever. im glad to see the racism element of things being talked about but would love to see the ableism talked about too. sorry if this comes off a little aggressive i dont mean to be im just used to being erased and i get so so tired of it

I mean you're right- there are a lot of axes of oppression being ignored when people argue that men- as whole- never experience oppression. Disability is a huge, huge aspect of that, because yeah! Anyone can be disabled, and everyone who reaches old age likely will be disabled. Those things don't disappear when you're a man- and in fact, it tends to be society's perception of you as a man that disappears if you are disabled.

I do think that the issue of racism comes up so often in these conversations largely because:

A) A lot of the people actually speaking up about these intersections are people of color, and a lot of the language we have to discuss intersections of oppression come from people of color & the work they have done for their communities (very often black activists, specifically).

I can personally attest that the first examples of the intersection between manhood and other forms of oppression that I talked about on this blog, as a white person, were historical and modern examples of white women weaponizing White Woman Fragility against black men; something the black community has been discussing for decades prior to this specific conversation.

B) The argument being made against addressing men's experiences with oppression is often that the people speaking on those experiences are white, or that the ideas themselves are "white ideas".

For example: I have been regularly platformed over transmascs of color speaking to the exact same issues that I am, both by people who agree with me, and by people who don't. I have witnessed just about every single transmasc of color who has been acknowledged be stripped of their race and identity and reduced to "white-aligned", or even just "white", for the sake of argument.

I have seen people argue that "the transmasc community has a problem with racism" citing white transmascs being racist to people outside of our own community, completely ignoring the transmascs of color speaking to their own experiences of racism within our actual community- implying not only that transmascs of color matter less than other people of color do, but that being transmasc is something people of color don't do. That transmascs of color simply do not exist to be listened to in the first place.

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Obviously, there are also specific issues with the erasure of disabled men and disabled transmascs in these same conversations; I have regularly seen posts about the intersection of disability with these issues go largely ignored, gaining only a fraction of the notes that other posts do. Oftentimes disability just doesn't come up at all, when it absolutely should! It's frustrating and unfair, and you're right.

You're not saying that racism is any less important.

I know that. I want everyone else who sees this ask to know that. Do not mistake OP's point for something it isn't; it's not "why are they talking so much about race", it's "seeing these discussions makes me wish we could have even more discussions". (Do Not Harass This Person, they are here in good faith and have been for a while.)

I just bring this all up because I think it's somewhat unfair to compare the two; racism comes up not because people care more and are doing more, but because it's often a specific, named issue within the conversation- and often to the detriment of people of color involved.

I would just avoid bringing those discussions of racism into this complaint at all, is what I'm saying. It's apples & oranges. Your frustration is valid, but it's maybe not connected to the thing you're connecting it to, and we should probably be having this conversation separately.