#pedro pascal fandom discourse

[peepawispunk]

Pedro's role choices

Can everyone please shut the fuck up about the roles this man chooses?

I'm seeing the fandom carry on about it in many spaces - discord and IG included. Judging him for being in talks for a romcom ("This doesn't seem like an authentic choice for him") or a Marvel movie ("I'm so disappointed in this choice"). What gives you the right to judge his choices and accuse his management of pushing roles on him? He's busted his ass for decades and now he finally has his pick of roles. Do you realise how rare this is for actors? Do you realise this man who once went hungry and needed financial support from his friends to eat is probably fucking thrilled that he's secure and can do what he loves for the foreseeable future without worrying about how he's going to survive?

If you were a true fan of his you'd just be happy for him, instead of questioning whether he has the ability to make his own choices just because they don't match up with whatever you're projecting onto him.

Do the rest of the fandom a favour and google parasocial relationships and do some self reflection. Stop acting like he's not a grown ass man with his own mind. It's honestly disgusting possessive behaviour. Not every role has to appeal to you, but don't put shit on him for choosing something you're not personally into. The man is not a reflection of you and your wants and desires.

[educated-zombie]

Hi, it's your friendly neighbourhood ranter again, this time with a rant about privacy. Again, probably lots of swearing coming.

This fandom is unlike any other I've been involved in through the years. I've been in various fandoms for multiple decades, and I have never seen this level of scary behaviour. Stalking seems to be second nature to a lot of members, and honestly, it's fucking disturbing.

Pedro is a fucking human being, not a prize fucking sheep you need to keep track of at all times.

The fact that people thought it was perfectly reasonable to follow him to Malta when he was filming Gladiator 2 was so fucking creepy. I know a couple of encounters were with fans who just happened to be there at the time, which is completely fucking reasonable. But booking a trip there after finding out he was there? Fucking bonkers, and super inappropriate.

I'm gonna be super fucking transparent here: I did look at airfares and hotels there, but also...I had $7 in my fucking bank account so it was legit just a bit of fun.

It's okay to imagine doing it, it's okay to idly (key word: idly) look into what it would take. It is not fucking okay to actually fucking do it.

Another fandom behaviour pattern that I've noticed in a few fandom spaces is that it's seemingly become completely fucking "normal" to hunt down the sources of selfies with Pedro, oftentimes these people have no fucking clue how intense this fandom really is. Sure, we wanna know what the interaction was like, but fuck me, can we just let the fan share what they fucking wanna share, rather than bombarding them with questions?

The way people vie to be "first" with new information regarding Pedro's location (and many other things tbh!) is like some super fucked up treasure hunt, where the reward is a dopamine hit.

It's fucking difficult to gently point out that these actions are inappropriate, and honestly tantamount to stalking (in my opinion, anyway) when the people in question double down and actually begin to use bullying tactics in what should be fandom safe spaces.

Additionally, I really want to emphasise that a lot of this activity is undertaken in heavily populated spaces, which may not necessarily be public per se, but when there's thousands of members of a "private" group, you might as well just take out a fucking Times Square advertisement.

What really fucking gets me though, is that the majority of us in the fandom do genuinely realise that he's a goddamn human who deserves to have his privacy respected just like the rest of us, but I worry that we're getting drowned out by the handful of people who don't fucking seem to understand or care that their behaviour is problematic.

If you read this post, and you share similar concerns, I strongly encourage you to speak up when you see that someone is crossing lines! You are not alone, I fucking guarantee that you'll find someone else within your fandom space who feels the same.

If this inappropriate, and downright creepy behaviour is left unchecked, I fear it will become socially acceptable within this fandom and others, and even turn into something legitimately dangerous for Pedro, his family, friends, and even fans.

Pull your fucking heads out.

[msmorningstaarr]

I just saw that “the uninvited” scene with Pedro kissing the actress and my head is playing that female rage audio non stop this is so unfair

[pedrospatch]

i wanted to keep my mouth shut, but i can’t.

i genuinely cannot believe how cruel some people can be. bullying others off this platform…over fanfiction of all fucking things? whoever is taking part in this by sending asks to that blog should be ashamed. and to be quite honest, embarrassed to be spending so much time and energy adding fuel to the fire.

i don’t know if this will make a difference, but take it from someone who knows how it feels to want to be friends with someone, but for some reason or another, it just doesn’t pan out. who doesn’t always write the popular tropes that get the most notes. take it from someone who has desired interactions with people i admire and look up to, but it just doesn’t happen. take it from someone who isn’t part of any specific circle of friends.

let’s be real, 99.9% of the hate is coming from jealousy, insecurity, and from what it sounds like, people have a serious chip on their shoulder with writers who aren’t interacting with them and their work.

when you don’t get something you want, that does not give you the right to throw a tantrum and take out your anger and frustrations on other people. that does not give you the right to bring someone’s age, personal, and family life into the mix. it does not give you the right to bully. expecting friendships, explanations, follows, reblogs, whatever it may be—this mindset will get you nowhere. no owes you, or any of us, a thing.

end this big writer/small writer nonsense. no one is getting paid for this. is the validation and that little number on the screen really that important to you? to the point where you are deliberately trying to hurt other people?

if it is, i beg you to go outside and touch grass. and get yourself a helmet while you’re at it because life is tough and if you go out into the real world expecting things from people, it’s going to knock you upside the head.

[toxicanonymity]

For context, a tumblr account has been posting anon hate for the past week or so, mostly toward writers. A parasocial hater of mine discovered the account and has been going to town. I posted this after they invoked Israel as an analogy. Yes really.

Obviously I am disgusted by what I just read, and floored that anyone would post such a deranged analogy in the interest of stirring up fandom drama. I'm very sorry to everyone who has been attacked and everyone who has witnessed all this. Others have posted about the situation as a whole, and I'm not sure what I could add. But I want you to know many of these "confessions" are from one individual who has been fixated on me (and probably others) for weeks if not months. I already had the following in my drafts:

warning: please don't read this if you're sensitive to hate or could be triggered by the trivialization of real abuse. (edit: they went on to trivialize genocide too but they'll pretend to be different people). there's also a really gross anatomical reference.

the screenshots are all after I blocked them.

I normally don't address things like this, but that's because I'm trying to keep it off your dash and off my blog (for several reasons including not wanting to give the hate a larger audience for their message). Normally I block/delete. But thanks to a blog dedicated to posting anon hate, some of this is already on the dash, and I thought some additional context could be illuminating.

a couple weeks ago, this person chimed in on my non-fandom post, and their comment made me uncomfortable. I checked to see if they followed me and they didn't, plus their blog tagline was antagonistic. I was confident they weren't being earnest. I replied, pointing out my issue with their comment and asking them to keep their thoughts to themselves rather than coming at me from a sideblog. I thought they must have followed me from a main account since they somehow found an untagged, unreblogged post without following me. But I now realize they were simply hate checking my blog.

(Blocked the burner too)

They were saying this last bit preemptively - I've never talked about stalkers here. I didn't include all their anons, just enough to show they clearly out themselves as being the same person. In other "confessions," they make repeated references to a former fandom writer they idolize (not me) who they also posted about on their blog.

I won't be dropping this creep's url in this post, but I had never heard of them. This week they have repeatedly changed their url, display name, and blog appearance. Their writing is recognizable and I believe they are responsible for the unhinged asks preceding katy's departure from tumblr. They also made a rude comment on her post.

This may only aggravate them. I expect them to hurl any lies and accusations they can think of toward me. They will act like they're laughing and amused, too. You may recognize their tone. I want to trust this fandom not to believe and repeat anything they hear, but unfortunately my experience in this fandom leaves me pessimistic.

I can only hope people use common sense at this point.

Note - I know I'm normally really private about everything, but you're welcome to share this. Their lies are already out there anyway. Also feel free to DM me and I will tell you what you want to know.

Update: the anon-hate account referred to above has deactivated. It was named pedgeconfessions. It wasn't the first to pop up this summer and may not be the last.

[penvisions]

dev is....shocked

okay, so i never thought i'd find myself in this situation. but well, here we are. someone was kind enough to bring it to my attention:

a (newer?) user who goes by @kiwiispunk has basically copy and pasted {garnish} and posted it as her own.

she's changed it from joel to frankie, but the premise and scenes are identical. i tried to approach her about it but she was rather defensive and rude. even going so far as to turn the tables onto me being the one who copied her. here are a few screenshots i took of the interaction:

i took a look at the fic she's passing off as hers called chiffonade. and yeah, it's identical to the original writing i gruelled over for days and weeks to get just right. i reported her but i'm not sure what else to do, honestly.

[tightjeansjavi]

Whether the accounts that are stealing and plagiarizing fics from MULTIPLE writers in the community are doing it to be trolls, gain clout, and whatever the fuck else they have on their agenda, it is deeply disturbing and disappointing to see.

Preemptively block and report @kiwiispunk & @pedroslakersshirt (if more accounts are found to be plagiarizing and stealing fics, I will update this post accordingly.)

[jksprincess10]

"Pedro Pascal accepted this role only for the big check"

??????

It's his job ???

Do you go to work for free? Do you say no when you get offered a promotion?

Smh

[peepawispunk]

I've noticed that my previous textpost struck a nerve with some people. And I just want to say, from the bottom of my heart...

GOOD. You don't own that man, and if you didn't understand that the point of my post was to address the hate and sour attitudes in the fandom, not the validity of your feelings, then you're part of the problem.

[peepawispunk]

Well fucking said. This may be the most elitist fandom I've ever been in. In most fandoms, people are just so happy their fave is doing well and making it and getting recognition.

Pedro's fandom seems to be full of hipsters who wanna let everybody know they knew him first, longest, best (gotta get those imaginary internet points). Or they pretend to be film and text experts like they're friggin Roger Ebert or something, making judgment calls about his choices like they wouldn't kill to work on something as fun as a goddamn Marvel movie lol. And even if they wouldn't, let the man have his goddamn fun. We all only have one life, idk why anyone would wanna spend theirs pretending they're too good for the occasional (or frequent) popcorn movie.

Rant incoming, probably lots of swearing

Lemme preface this by acknowledging that I am no one in the Pedro fandom, except to my small core group of friends. I am well aware of this, and don't give a flying fuck, hell, it's probably making this rant easier.

Without further ado:

I am disgusted by the fandom attitude towards the (finally official) Fantastic Four casting announcement.

The utter elitism from those who vocally dislike Marvel/superhero/blockbuster movies is so fucking gross. How dare you act like your film preferences are better than anyone else's? I am absolutely not saying that everyone must like these movies, but I definitely AM saying to stop being a complete cunt about it.

So far I have seen people whinging about how they're disappointed in him for taking this role, how he must have turned down some truly great roles for this one, saying "I thought you were better than this, Pedro!", and a lot more.

Get fucked.

If you don't wanna see the movie, fucking don't see it. Don't fucking act like Pedro owes you a goddamn thing. He does not.

I repeat: Pedro owes you nothing.

Stop being parasocial fuckwits.

Rant over. For now.

[javis-burner-phone]

To Writers in the Pedro Pascal Fandom:

This fandom went full Chernobyl this summer. I need a hazmat suit to get through these tags. I recently saw an anon reach out to a fic writer here.

The anon is right that there's a problem in the fandom space, but they're misplacing blame. I'm writing this post for the non-hateful writers that have tried to feel a part of the community, but ended up feeling left out. I'm posting this on a burner account for obvious reasons that you'll see below:

The hateful posts about "big writers" have absolutely disgusted me, but I can relate to the frustration that many fic writers are expressing. We see very fun and active areas of the fandom where writers are communal, hyping each other up, reblogging fics, but only within certain friend groups. Most of us writers don't have that. Instead this fandom sometimes feels like a desolate wasteland for many of us.

Here's where us writers need to place the blame:

Since the introduction of algorithms, there has been a cyclical effect: popular Tumblr posts are boosted due to everyone's default feed settings and posts from new, lesser known blogs are pushed down.

Over years, this has impacted fandom spaces in a sort of feedback loop. We're currently seeing the late stages of this. This effect pushes most fandom activity towards the already popular blogs by default. (Yes, Tumblr has always shown popular posts first, but algorithms, and the feedback loops they create, have made the effect stronger over the years.)

Is that the "big writers" faults? No. Are friend groups to blame? No. In fact, we should have more friend groups in this fandom. That's how fandoms used to be. There were dozens of overlapping friend groups that would have long reblog chains and mainly interact with each other. New people could find other new people pretty easily and make their own groups.

Now new people/smaller blogs are far less exposed to other new people/smaller blogs by default. *That* is the problem.

Eventually, I found my people. I feel a part of the community and you can too.

You just need to make 3 virgin sacrifices and find the lochness monster in order to do so. What I mean is, it takes a lot more effort than it used to. Be ready for that:

1. Sort by "Latest posts" when searching fandom hashtags. Imagine if Ao3 used an algorithm to show popular fics first instead of sorting by most recent fics. New writers would be screwed, right? That's what Tumblr does. Support posts that resonate with you, but have low engagement. Leave likes, comments, reblogs! Guess what happens when someone that feels isolated in this fandom gets a bunch of notes from you? They're gonna check out your blog. They may want to connect!

2. DM people. Is there a lesser known blogger whose posts you like? Ask to be mutuals! Start a conversation! If you can't be social it's gonna be near impossible to build community. Sorry if you have anxiety, but that's the truth. Warning: half the convos will fizzle out. Move on to the next person as soon as you sense this.

3. Don't try to connect with bigger blogs for friendship. I've tried and as long as you gush over them, they respond, but the interaction ends there. DMing them works, but the convos almost always feel one sided and fizzle out. I'm mutuals with some bigger bloggers, but I had to add their usernames to my filtered content list in account settings. This means they can see my stuff, but I can't see theirs. Seeing them have fun in their friend group just reminds me of my failed attempts to connect. Maybe filtering them isn't fair, but that's how I deal with my negative emotions. No, they are not rude for not befriending me. I don't feel entitled to friendship.

(edit: I got a weird anon about this part. It's more difficult to befriend people who already have close-knit connections here. It's not impossible, but I've had much better luck with fellow isolated fandom members. The secret ingredient is our shared desperation lol. Befriend whoever you want ❤️)

4. Join/start a small PPCU discord server. The big servers will just make you feel more isolated, but the intimate ones are way more communal and it's easier to make stronger connections there than on Tumblr. 

These tips are for people that actually want to find solutions instead of spreading hate and complaining.

I'm saying this as someone that averages 50 notes on most of my fics after a year in this fandom(edit: saw this poll and thought I'd clarify. I get 50 notes now, but for 8ish months I got 5 on a lucky day. This post is for people who still feel isolated because I know how it feels.) It takes way more effort than in the early 2010s to feel a part of a fandom, not because of cliques, but because of the feedback loops the algorithm creates. 

I understand the frustration, but I'm not going to spread vitriol just because the fandom ecosystem went to shit. 

[thefrogdalorian]

I think on this fine Saturday afternoon it's a good opportunity to take a breather and remember that there are really no ethical paparazzi pictures. Every single one is inherently exploitative.

Just because photos were taken on a movie set, when someone is 'working,' does not make the practice any less invasive and creepy. Imagine just going about your day, doing your job and having some weirdo snapping pictures of you to sell without your consent for others to endlessly repost online.

There are thousands of pictures of your favourite actor online already. Plenty taken with his knowledge and consent. I'd really like to see more of them on my dash, rather than the creeper shots.

And don't get me started how disseminating these pictures directly leads to people going to said sets. What starts off as admiring how good someone looks has real world implications.

No, hanging around a movie set and disrupting people doing their jobs is not harmless fun or a way to show your appreciation.

If you hang around a movie set, you are a stalker.

Don't tell me that it's okay to take your online admiration for someone offline. You may admire him but he does not, and will never, personally know you. He will never be your friend/boyfriend/daddy. He is a stranger.

The only way meeting your favourite actor is going to happen is at a convention or maaaaaybe a movie premiere if you're incredibly fortunate. You know, places they appear specifically to meet fans (or not in the case of premieres, where the purpose is to promote a movie. Which is also completely understandable if actors don't stop. You are not owed an interaction).

Of course, you cannot help it if you randomly run into someone you admire in the wild. Even then, consider that they probably won't be all too thrilled to be approached in public by a complete stranger. It's up to you to gauge the situation, but remember there is a person at the heart of all of this.

Boundaries and respect are a kindness which deserves to be extended to each and every human being regardless of their looks/talent/fame/wealth.

Fandoms blur those lines a little too often for my liking and I think just scrutinising what you're interacting with, or what behaviour you could be possibly falling down that slippery slope towards is nice to do every once in a while.

I mean no malice with this post and it is not directed at anyone in particular. It's something I cannot help but feel strongly about because I've seen this destructive cycle time and again in fandoms over the years. It's not healthy and it makes us all a little bit more disconnected from our humanity for it...

[magneticecstasy]

in the midst of pedro fandom wank, i implore to those being dicks and posting mean things to confession blogs about what people like to write/consume to follow the my fave mantra:

"don't yuck my yum"

i.e. let people like what they like, let people write what they wanna write, without being a cunt about it.

don't like a fic someone's posted? then don't read it! don't want to see their posts? block them!

the block button is a handy lil tool that doesn't get used enough in my opinion. it's that simple!

[myownwholewildworld]

Why are you portraying Javier Pena as a crybaby? It's so offputting...

i saw this last night and wasn't going to reply to such misogynistic comment and then i thought, no way in hell i'm shutting up. blocked this anon though, but i guess this is a psa to other readers.

if you think that a man showing his feelings, his emotional turmoil, his fears and nightmares, turns him into a "crybaby", you can honestly stop reading my content altogether and move on with your life. block me even.

men are allowed to feel, to cry, to be vulnerable, to open up, to talk about their struggles. especially with loved ones. especially when men's suicidal rates due to mental health issues are so high all over the world (one source of many). it's so misogynistic to think otherwise, honestly, and i don't want that kind of rhetoric in my blog.

i won't stand for any kind of discrimination, ever. i'm a feminist, and as so i need to advocate for EVERYONE to have a safe space to talk about their mental health. and if you threaten the safety of said space, then fucking leave me and my blog alone.

all this to say, get the fuck out of here if you don't like how i portray javier peña. in my fic, he's been through a ton shit of trauma and is suffering from ptsd, so YEAH, he's struggling. he's not a crybaby, he's a human being who has gone through a lot and is still standing.

excuse my french but this really made my blood boil. rant over.

[toxicanonymity]

Tox, I'm so sorry you're getting fucked with by that 13 year old girl out here terrorizing the grownups with her little slam book, but please - I beg you - don't pay it any mind. It's not about you, my sweet.

Bullies are the saddest little creatures. Indifference makes them go away, thankfully. That and reporting and blocking, of course.

You are loved for your amazing creativity and all of the debauched fun and joy you bring this very special fandom. You deserve a peaceful experience on this site and you will have it again.

xoxo

Thank you, friend. If only it were that simple. I had been playing indifferent for a really long time until I decided to finally say something yesterday. I actually used to get worse hate. There was someone (maybe the same creep, who knows) who used to camp out on my page or had notifications on. They would heckle me within a minute or two of some posts. They would laugh at me then vaguely threaten me and Tumblr wouldn't do anything. I blocked them every time and Tumblr won't even take the ghost haters out of my inbox so it says I have more asks than I do. I understand the sentiment of wanting people to ignore it and keep on like normal out of spite, and thats what I've done for sooo long. But we have to do whatever gives us peace. I fully support everyone who has decided to step back or even deactivate. It's sad, but good for them if it feels better.

[penvisions]

dev says her piece

just wanted to say one thing in regards to whatever the heck all that was: i love you and i am proud of you.

if you got directly and personally called out, i am so incredibly sorry. if you didn't but still feel icky and weird about it all, i am so incredibly sorry. i know that this fandom is intrinsically good. i know we are, i've made so many friends here and had so many laughs / conversations that have literally brought me back from feeling like nothing is worth anything. i have so much love, appreciation, and care for y'all.

to be singled out, to be called names, to be accused of certain things, to be called a fake or poser POC (like i was), called rude and unfriendly for responses to less than friendly demands, for not playing into the 'more popularity comes with responsibility' inaccurate line of thought, to be simply being bashed on for no particular reason.

we are all just people. indulging in silly little make believe playtime. no one is 'bigger' or 'better' than anyone, we are all here just to be silly and unhinged and share parts of ourselves we can't anywhere else. don't corrupt that for slighted feelings or attempt to categorize people into a certain hierarchy and ascribe 'responsibilities' to them.

i am sorry and you have absolutely nothing to apologize for if you felt the need to take a break / change usernames / accounts / or leave altogether. this is an online space centered around one of the most caring characters, the most caring person. you belong here, you have space here, you are important.

i know so much damage has been done by a handful of people. i know we are all feeling self-conscious and worried about posting out little stories again, we are completely valid in that (even if you aren't, you are valid for you specific, personal feelings). someone came into our home, our getaway and wrecked everything they could in a tantrum they felt the need to throw. i, myself, debated even sharing teasers and continuing my stories. but i want to do so for me, for my continued enjoyment and entertainment.

i love y'all so much and this little online bubble is exactly where you belong should you want to be a part of it. should anyone want to be a part of it and perpetuate kindess.