#or you get moral influence which i reject because pre-christ people knew that god was merciful (see psalm 130)
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#i'm putting christus victor#because it seems to me to properly reckon with the reality of the devil#and theories that don't do that - like satisfaction or penal substitution - make god the obstacle to human redemption#or you get moral influence which i reject because pre-christ people knew that god was merciful (see psalm 130)#plus christus victor differentiates between sin death and the devil#which ransom theory doesn't#christianity#orthodox#theology#atonement#poll
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