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firstpuffin · 6 years ago

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Using strict semantic definitions as justification for superiority: prescriptive pedants.

I was talking to one of my friends on Facebook when he sent me a screenshot of a conversation he was having with someone who, for the sake of anonymity, I’ll call “Idiot”. Idiot’s words were dripping with pretension as he complained about the word transphobia, because people are “not scared of trans-people”. Like, seriously? Are you serious, dude?

Bear in mind that everything I say here is being said by someone who takes issue with the common interchangeability of “headphones” and “earphones”; they are practically different, not just semantic and I feel it is worth keeping the distinction. So as somebody who claims to be a little bit too pedantic, I’m also saying that Idiot is taking it way too far.

-headphones over the head; earphones in the ears-

His argument is that the meaning of the word is the dictionary definition, but linguistics has an entire branch of study dedicated to the fact that it is not. Let’s go into definitions here (ironically): semantics is the strict, dictionary definition; I’d like to point out that my linguistics lecturer says never to use dictionaries, except for urbandictionary.com. Pragmatics is the practical usage of a word, how people actually use words; hence, the urban dictionary.

So Idiot was adamant that transphobia should mean “irrational fear of transsexuals”. Not that it does mind you, but that it should. Now this isn’t really necessary but I appreciate the irony here:

-even the dictionary disagrees with you, mate-

Now I’ve always been a bit too literal and have had to teach myself not to be, so I have almost certainly done similar; in fact, I vaguely remember doing so but I’m pretty sure that even then I knew better than to deliberately misinterpret people during conversation. Then again, I too was a pretentious little prick. But I was a literal-minded little prick, which is not unusual in dyslexic/dyspraxics like myself, and while I was vulnerable to feelings of superiority, that is not usual in literally anybody.

But I have noticed that such deliberate semantic pedantry is common in those who, let’s be honest here, have nothing else. I’m not particularly attractive, you can put my lack of physical ability down to the dyspraxia and it’s hard to feel intelligent when your mind is clouded by learning disabilities; I didn’t have much to be proud of. So I went full pedant, I took the feelings of superiority from “using language properly” or “better than the average person” etc.

I grew out of it. I realised how stupid it was, how backwards it is to stubbornly stand against the tide of reality. People are not perfect speakers and trying to be one was just a vain attempt at feeling superior. Some people still need to learn this. I improved at things: I entered higher education and got better and better grades. I got a job and increased in confidence and competence; I interacted with people and outgrew my prejudices while learning how to accept myself, even about things I didn’t yet understand. I re-entered education, again, and started doing better and better. I didn’t need to hold onto something as silly as pedantry anymore.

Unfortunately, some people don’t have everything I have gained and still cling to whatever makes them feel better about themselves. If you have read this so far and are getting angry at me for being an idiot or having no standards or something, then I want to ask: what does this achieve?

What do you accomplish by sticking to the literal definition of the word, even if it means there is miscommunication between you and your peers? The best thing that I can come up with is something like “I refuse to lower my standards” or the like, but that really doesn’t apply. For one thing, do you have any idea how many variations of our language there are? American and British English, then there are subcategories within those and subcategories within those AND then there is the developing language in Singapore which combines English with any number of other languages. Singlish (Singaporean English) is just one extreme variation of many. None of these languages are wrong; non-standard, yes, but that doesn’t mean wrong.

If that doesn’t do it for you then here is my last argument: language is always changing. My lecturers turned me on to https://www.etymonline.com/ where you can see what words used to mean. Take “luxury” for example: luxury means comfort or excessiveness or something like that, right? Nope. Luxury is a sex word.

-see? sex. then sin, then pleasure again, then excess...-

So what else? Well what about a rather offensive word? People like those, right? In that case, where do you think the word “faggot” comes from?

The first meaning was a bundle of sticks and if this site is to be trusted then it may also have been a derogatory term for women, what with both apparently being “deadweight” or a “burden” to a man. This may have lead to the current, offensive term towards men who like men...like women are supposed to. And that’s humanity, folks!

-we humans kind of suck, don’t we?-

Language changes through use; that is inevitable. It is also one of the more fascinating parts of language so if you truly love and respect English, then you should at least accept this.

Of course I don’t want to be misunderstood; I do cringe at a lot of non-standard speech. A particular pet-peeve of mine is the replacement of a comparative adjective or adverb with “more”, or heaven forbid combining them. “It’s more good that way” or “more better”. Shivers went up my arms just from typing that.

And just in case you don’t know, which is fair; faster is a comparative and fastest is a superlative, so “fast, faster, fastest”. I like learning, I hope you do too.

-this will make sense, just bear with me for a moment-

So how do I summarise this? Being pedantic is literally pointless; linguist Noam Chomsky declared that linguists were only interested in what he labelled “linguistic competence” which is the perfect language that people have unconsciously, untainted by anxiety, speed of speech or anything else that causes language to be imperfect. Which nobody uses. All of the imperfections were a part of the “linguistic performance” which he was happy to ignore. But what’s the point in studying something that nobody uses?

Well, okay yes there are uses for it, but not as many as learning about the way people actually speak, because this tells us about them. It tells us how they see themselves (inferior), how they want to be seen (superior), where they are from (America) and just so much more. Gender, sex, sexuality, job- the list goes on.

I figure that yes, doing something better than people can feel really good and may give you the confidence you lack, but think about what you are doing first. Are you really holding yourself to a higher standard? Or are you holding everyone else to a lower one?

#first puffin #english language #sociolinguistics #language #pragmatics #semantics #accents #dialects #experience #pedantic #prescriptive #thosetagswilldofornow

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So firstly, I wanna say that LESBIAN is not a slur and has never been used as such. (It literally means from Lesbos, the Greek island Sapho was from, a lesbian icon) It has only become taboo because of fetishization and general homophobia. I don't feel educated enough on the word gay to make a whole point about it... But given the fact that it literally means happy tells me it has a more positive past. Also, just because a word is used in a derogatory way doesn't mean it's a slur. Do you know where actual homophobic slur f*gg*t comes from? Do you know that in England they call a cigarette a fag because you light it on fire... The usage of that word towards gay men harkens back to the days of burning people at the stake. So, yeah... It's a slur. Queer is a slur because historically it has been used as such, and it's literal meaning is differing in some way from what is usual or normal : ODD, STRANGE, WEIRD. That doesn't seem like a good thing to me, not only does it promote the idea that being a member of the LGBT community is unusual, it is also degrading. (Also, there is a big difference that queer originally came from outside of our community whereas at least in the case of lesbian it has come from inside the community. Slurs often come from the outside, see for example dyke.)

Secondly, I would like to address your second point where you say, and I quote "iif queer is not a good umbrella term what is a good umbrella term that will automatically include bisexua, pansexual, transgender, non-binary, asexual and aromantic people, intersex people if they want to be included, and indigenous people from non-western cultures who identify as two spirit, third gender, or other traditions?" Firstly, are you saying that bisexual and transgender people (and therefore non-binary people) aren't automatically included in LGBT? They are right there! Now, we come to the discorse. Pan and Bi are very very similar identities, and many of my bi/pan friends use them interchangeably, and those pan people that don't I have caught saying uneducated things like "I'm pan because I like non-binary people too," which I talked to them about and I think it's better now. Cishet people do not belong on our community. I welcome all LGBT aro/ace people in the LGBT community. The same with intersex people, I don't believe that just because you are intersex you are LGBT, but I welcome those that are with open arms. Now we come to those who identify as two sporit or third gender. I must admit I am not the most thoroughly educated on these identities, but I do have some familiarity with the two spirit identity. I think that we can definitely make room for those people in our community. And if some of those people want to use the label queer I am not going to stand around and say they can't. That would be ridiculous! No one has ever said that there is no place in our community for a queer identity, or those who identify as such. The problem comes to using that word for everybody, especially when a significant portion of our community is uncomfortable with that word. I don't like it because queer is often used to erase my lesbian identity. I don't want to be called queer because I don't want the implication that my sexuality is flexible. Others have an issue with the word because they have tramatic memories associated with it. Just because you have reclaimed something doesn't mean everyone has. Also, LGBT isn't hard to learn if you try in the slightest. Nor is lgbtq (or lgbtq+). The thing I love about LGBT (or one of it's varients) is that it personally addresses every identity asseparate but also united as a community! I don't know about everyone but I find that really beautiful.

Thirdly, you said that you want to help increase visability to those identities that don't get top billing (which is honestly an attempt to divide lesbians and gays from our trans and bi peers which doesn't even make sense when none of us have it any easier than any others and the whole notion that other members of our community are more privileged than others is a tactic meant to divide us used by people with often scetchy motives.) And you want to use an umbrella term to do so? That makes no sense to me. Like, explain why a word that in my real life experience and many others has failed to recognize our actual identities is better than an acronym that is easily expandable to fit identities not originally included that brings awareness to an identity by actually saying it's name? Like? You want everyone to use queer, a word that erases individual identity... To bring light to marginalized identities???

Also this whole thing with appealing to uninformed straight allies... Like ... If you are a real ally then get informed. It's not our community's responsibility to make things easier on straight people, it is our community's responsibility to represent and advocate for our rights, and having an easier word isn't necessary to do either of those things.

Get out of here with this bullshit. Get out... Do some actual reasearch outside of a quick read on wiki and what you've read on Tumblr and then come back and we can have an actual discussion about this ... It's also very telling that throughout your post you used hostile language when talking about lesbians and gay men. Don't come into our community with this kind of separatist attitude and try to cover it up with this queer discourss shit. We don't need this kind of negativity in our community. I apologise if this is long, but I had alot to say, and I'm sorry if I seem upset, that is because I am.

If you don’t like the word “queer”, if you don’t want to use or reclaim it, that’s cool! But some people who dislike the word “queer” really dislike it because it’s a barrier to prioritizing some LGBT groups more than others. I think that damages us as a community, and we have to talk about how to fight it.

So if you don’t want to use the word “queer”, I encourage you to ask yourself the following questions:

If queer cannot be used because it is a slur, what am I doing for the comfort and security of people who have had “gay” and “lesbian” used hatefully as slurs towards them?

If queer is not a good umbrella term, what is a good umbrella term that will automatically include bisexual, pansexual, transgender, nonbinary, asexual, and aromantic people, intersex people if they want to be included, and Indigenous people from non-Western cultures who identify as two-spirit, third gender, or other traditions? Is my preferred umbrella term easy to spell, pronounce, and teach to an uninformed straight ally?

What work am I doing to make myself an ally to people from identities that don’t get top billing in the LGBT community (see list in previous point)? What am I doing to promote awareness of these groups’ interests and let them know I support them?

“Queer” is a really valuable word for me, but I realize that it doesn’t work for everybody. If we can find a better word, we could use it. However, right now a lot of groups are getting excluded because they’re “not LGBT”–they’re not part of an initialism that was codified before many people on Tumblr were born. So we NEED to work on being inclusive.

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