#or just the entirety of underverse and then xtale

[alyimoss]

i mean hes still pretty world-destroying hes just got a color scheme for it

xgaster being a sad beige mom except with white, black, and purple is so fucking funny to me

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Transcript: Honestly, I don’t like cross, it feels like everyone treats him like a child who needs to be taught what’s right or wrong. And that doesn’t even work because instead of listening he does the absolute worse things. Like killing everyone and ending his universe was bad. Stealing another person’s soul is bad. Destroying underfell’s underground was bad. Taking part in destroying the entirety of underswap was bad. And the story expects me to root for him after seeing how sad and bad off everyone (those underswap, underfell, undertale timelines) has become. We all saw him smiling while doing some of these things. He’s not a child we know he had a whole normal childhood and wasn’t just spawned in, in the timeline his universe ended on. He also had a whole time in his self created void to reflect and now it’s expected that in the antivoid he’ll reflect there and change? We don’t even know how much he changed.

I love underverse and xtale and I don’t hate cross and I love the writing! And I don’t think he’s irredeemable. He does need that guidance. But what he does, and how he gets away scot free despite it, annoys me so much that I dislike him. But I don’t feel like I could say this on main because everyone seems to love him so much. And would just say he gone through so much pain or his situation makes his actions are justified. This fandom aspect gives me a pit in my stomach about him. It makes me dislike seeing stuff about him, because he’s seen as a ‘sad boi who’s justified’ by them.

But don’t let me stop you! I don’t want to police anyone or change minds. I just wanted to air it out, to hopefully get rid of this feeling.

[xxtha-blog]

Why Emotionless Ink is Not The ‘Evil’ Ink in Underverse

I refuse to be told this any more, I’m putting my foot down, multiple paragraphs in coming.

There’s this common interpreation in Underverse, emotionless Ink is evil. I’m here to give you not one, but two different reasons I think this is completely wrong.

First off, if I can prove Ink is not evil at all, obviously his emotionless self will not be evil either.

So, reason number 1

Is Ink Evil in Underverse?

I argue, it all depends on your perspective.

Ink is working alongside XGaster because he was shown to have the ability to create new stories without creating new AUs or timelines. This was extremely appealing to Ink, as the truce he had made with Error: no creation, no destruction, meant this multiverse was essentially stuck in stasis. For someone like Ink, who lives off creativity, but also protects AUs, you can imagine how painful this was. So someone who could essentially ‘work around’ the truce was incredibly intruiging and Ink became friends or at least partners with XGaster for this purpose.

Both XGaster and Ink do not see other characters as ‘people’. They see them like we do. Characters. If you look at them through the eyes of the characters, trying to overwrite the multiverse and change the lives of millions of characters. Pretty evil. I mean, the entirety of the Xtale series explores the long lasting effects, the mental emotional impacts of character’s entire lives being controlled and manipulated over and over and over again, and them learning it happened. It’s what drove Cross to murder everyone in an attempt to free them all.

But from our perspective? From a creator’s perspective? Is that not what we do every single day? Play with these characters lives over and over and over again. Put them increasingly horrible situations just see their reactions. Are we not Ink and XGaster? Striving for better stories, or in their case a perfect one, regardless of the characters it hurts? That’s the question Ink and XGaster’s morality poses. Does supporting their cause make them profoundly immoral/evil or does it make them us. Are we evil? Obviously not. They’re just characters. But that’s exactly what these two think. So are they evil?

But that's not all, Ink also has a secondary motive to this beyond his own gain. A major underlying plot thread of Underverse is creators are abandoning his multiverse. It's dying!! This huge story with XGaster is a bid to restart and reinvigorate creator creativity. He's trying to save the literal multiverse's existence at the cost of whatever XGaster has planned.

Now, reason number two.

If you still say yes, Ink is evil for supporting the creation of XGaster’s perfect universe no matter who it hurts, I move to my second argument, which disregards whether or not you think Ink is evil in general, and says:

Okay, but him being emotionless does not change that in any significant way

Ink did become emotionless so he wouldn’t regret it, that is correct, but that is a choice his emotion-feeling self made. His emotion feeling self made the choice to become emotionless to accomplish this. His emotion feeling self was the one who supported this in the first place, and the only reason he needed to become emotionless was because he didn’t want anything to prevent him from making this happen, any doubts. If his emotionless self was the evil self, it would have been the one to make this decision, in contrary to his emotion self, but it is his emotion self that choose to do and support the things people may consider immoral. His emotionless self has no role to play in these decisions, it is merely a byproduct of the choices Ink makes. An emotionless person is no more capable of being ‘evil’ than someone who feels emotions, and to suggest the only reason Ink did what he did was because he was emotionless, is to ignore the motivations and desires of his character long before he became so. Feeling or not feeling doubt is not something that makes someone good or evil, feeling any emotion is not what makes someone immoral. It is the choice to either act on to or disregard those emotions in support of something immoral that makes someone evil. And that’s something Ink makes long before he’s emotionless, and something the emotionless side of him has no part in, as, if Ink wasn’t evil before he was emotionless, he can’t suddenly become evil because he is emotionless now. There’s no gain or loss of motivation to make an ‘evil’ decision there. He literally feels nothing. Any goals his emotionless self has have to carry over from his normal self. If Ink didn’t want to support XGaster in the first place and became emotionless, he wouldn’t suddenly gain the desire to join him. There would have to be immoral thoughts before he became emotionless, which he know is true, meaning the emotionless side of him isn’t suddenly ‘the evil one’. It’s just a means to an end for Ink. If you want to call Ink evil, that’s fine, but his emotionless self is not the evil one in comparison to his emotion self. In that case, he’s just evil.

This is why the idea ‘emotionless Ink is the evil one’ is in my opinon, a very wrong interpretation of his character.

[crescentmoonsandroses]

I heard a lot about Underverse long before I actually watched it. I had been in the fandom for... oh, six months? A year? Idk. I know that it wasn't new to me by that point, Undertale and its AUs had already been a special interest for a while. I like to look into the source material of AUs before I use them in my own fanworks (fanfic, fanart, etc), but I hadn't watched the series yet, despite including Cross in anything to do with Nightmare's gang. One night when I couldn't sleep, I binge-watched the entirety of Xtale and Underverse. (My bestie and partner can attest to this, as I was sending her episode-by-episode commentary the entire time lol.) I really enjoyed Xtale. I didn't like some things about the characterisation of a couple of characters in Underverse (Ink, mainly), but I still enjoyed it, and I was impressed by the quality and the sheer amount of work put into it. The fact that it was a single person's project, that they were doing it for free, that this fandom had such amazing creators, blew my mind, just as much as so many other incredible fanworks had. And I've watched every new episode since.

Jakei leaving the fandom is sad, and I'm really sorry that she was pushed to this point. She's brought so many people happiness. But I understand her decision, and I wish her and Nyx the best, wherever they may go from here. (Fun fact: I discovered Nyx and Jakei separately, Jakei through Xtale and Underverse, and Nyx through his music. I was so surprised when I found out they were married lol.) I doubt she'll see this, but, uh, thank you, Jakei, for your amazing AU, for all your hard work, and for being one of the many creators who inspired me to create.

It isn't the end of the fandom. We still have so many amazing creators and fanworks and projects. We'll be celebrating our tenth anniversary next year, guys, that's amazing! Underverse is a big part of our fandom, yes, but we've had series end and creators leave before and we've survived. We had Undertale Yellow come out, I heard something about new Horrortale content, new stories and AUs are still popping up even after all this time, and the next chapters of Deltarune are coming out within the next couple of years. So stay determined. We won't die.

[mrgrimreaper1]

It varies depending on who you ask, at first when Undertale exploded it was mainly because people WANTED more and just created a way to get more Undertale themselves, a lot of AU's specially the more famous ones came from children/teenagers that loved everything about the original, wanted more but of course couldn't grasp the many complexities within Undertale's cast of characters and couldn't write anything by themselves depending of who it was it could be many factors that makes them create AU's: too young, not enough confidence in creating things, genuinely do not wanna bother creating whole worlds to explain how something works, wanted to get the "DAWG" out of themselves and showcase to the world how cool and edgy they are, and therefore, needed some foundation to create things, a lot of AU's come from people seeing a cool "what if" possibility and writing things out of that, and some AU's genuinely needed Undertale to be as famous as they are right now (Dreamtale, Something new a.k.a killertale or just killer sans, Dusttale, etc...) because they would be completely ignored had they been made with original characters because of how poorly written a lot of them are, often needing completely outdated interpretations of existing characters to exist: "human, I remember you're genocides." Or just have Sans' face poorly photoshopped in to make any amount of fame (Dreamtale) since he was the most famous character there.

There we're also character that we're created thanks to how big the Undertale AU scene has gotten: Ink sans, Error sans, Cross and the entirety of Xtale/underverse, Core frisk, Delta Sans and more, Many of them needing the multiverse to exist to justify their own existence, anyways hope this helps in someway.

Transcript: I hate aus. They’ve always pissed me off and idk why?? No hate to people who enjoy them of course, never. But I hate it when people completely change a story. This isn’t even an Undertale thing tbh. I just don’t get why you don’t write your own story at that point honestly? Like I’m genuinely curious.