#only relevant to men but kind of only to make things worse. make the misandry you want to see in the world o7

[benevadeca]

OK we all know SJ's fatal flaws of pride and envy and how it's a combination of the two that make him unwilling and unable to communicate.

But also like when you have had your humanity and personhood denied your entire life like. Why bother? Not only on a personal level of him thinking it's not worth it because he subconsciously internalized it, or his self-sabotaged interpersonal relationships, but the underlying social level.

Like historically saying something would just lead to worsening his circumstances, who listens to a slave? And then later it becomes his imposter feelings of well they already can tell I'm not One Of Them, let's not make it worse by clearing the waters bc an unpleasant lie is better than a vulerable truth. Bc to him both can and will be weaponized, but one is much more palatable.

But also like. Having to continuously justify your behavior, attitude, accomplishments, actions, etc to people who have, would, and did use any of it to deny his humanity and personhood and label him an Other. Fatalist king. Bc in his mind it's just a matter of which thing will be that which tips it over the edge. And ofc he takes this tendency as one born intentionally out of malice that cannot be unlearnt so like oop. People who've never had to worry abt such things denied to them, and so do not even realize said tendency to immediately act as an enforcer of an inherently exclusionary system is kind of un-righteous of them 🤷‍♂️. SJ internalizing these dynamics but he also doesn't even in now they're bad, to him they're just the natural state of things and that he as an outsider = he is inherently bad bc he is an outsider to them. Guy who cannot change the system or his role in it bc he's society-pilled 😔.

Anyway tangential but ngl in fics when the WRP stuff gets cleared and they're like ohhh you only hang out with Lesser people but you're not a Lesser person that's fine :) and SJ is just fine with this interpretation... like man those are His questionable-power-dynamic-born besties why would he be ok with that. Guy who's fine with any ad hominem against him but as soon as you insult his jiejie's he's like wait a minute. Fantasy china's first sex work-positive diversity hire cop.

[hirkyy]

hi!! so I saw your post, but I promise I'm not here to be a dick. while I get where you're coming from and I 100% agree women should be allowed to complain and speak out against their oppressors, most of the discussions (at leas the ones I've seen and engaged with) regarding the "hatred of men" and some of its roots in terf garbage aren't talking about that kind of stuff! they're specifically referring to actual discrimination and abuse that happens towards men specifically because they're men- how they're "naturally aggressive/abusive" and how its in their nature to want to rape and violate women.

where the TERF stuff comes in involves how these ppl don't see trans women as women, and only think they're out to prey on them by easily gaining access to their spaces- rarely are trans men painted so passionately as predators in the same way trans women are. butch lesbians (such as myself) at times are also attacked because we're also seen as predators and creeps for being more masculine.

now is the unkindness and discrimination towards men on the same par of what women have faced? absolutely not, but it's also not about that. it's never been about how men have it worse than women and that women shouldn't be allowed to speak up. that's not to say there's never some moronic fuckbag out there that says otherwise, but i promise they're not relevant to our viewpoints and ragging on them is 100% justified lmao.

but!! i apologize if i misread what your post was about, i just. wasn't completely sure bc of how some things were worded. sorry also for the massive text wall and if i sounded rude at any point aaa. i hope what i've said's been helpful if need be!!

anon, with respect to your commitment towards being courteous and civil, i stopped reading after "actual discrimination and abuse that happens towards men because they're men", which is not a real thing.

i made a post talking about how infuriating it is that women are expected to cower and grovel to their oppressors because any expression of anger is immediately punished and twisted to make You the evil one and then the conversation is immediately hijacked to be about "misandry akshually" and you're all doing the same thing right under it, honestly the commitment is impressive.

being a misandry truther won't loop right back around to supporting trans women, you know