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I always like to read your chapter reviews, answers to questions or just fandom's discussions. I can agree with almost every word in your posts. You are a very sensible, reasonable and well-read person and you know how to notice a lot of details and build interesting logical chains. Thank you very much!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I canât really express well how happy it makes me to hear you saying so, especially in a moment in which my ramblings are likely pretty boring since they arenât just gushing praises for the writing so again THANK YOU!
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Perhaps Noda removed the moment with "smoothtalking bastard" to play with the reader, make a plot twist and remind what Ogata really thinks. It is possible that right now Ogata is doing to Tsurumi what he did to him and others. Manipulates, gives hope (salvation from this train), allows to think desired. And that's why Tsurumi got angry at the end - when he realized that Ogata was mocking. At least I would really like it to be that way. And not because Ogata became a idiot in favor of the plot.
To be honest...
I think many of us, myself included, hope that Noda removed those bits not to retcon them but to delude us into believing Ogata trusted into Tsurumi only to later remind us he never did.
Iâve to say it would be interesting if this was Ogataâs idea of getting his revenge on Tsurumi. Acting as if he fell for his tricks and sweet words and then had a jealousy attack in an attempt to manipulate Tsurumi with âsweet liesâ as well.
Though Ogata wasnât painted as a good liar so yes, Tsurumi might have smelled up the fact Ogata is just tricking him (never mentioning Tsurumi is very clever and an expert liar so he might have smelled it up even if Ogata were to be good).
On the other side thereâs this bit in Vol 10...
...and Iâve always wondered if it would eventually come up again. Ogata has been presenting for so long a certain image that he (and Tsurumi too) might have lost part of their sense of self.
And they also act very confident and in control so as to make people believe in them.
But weâll see. As Iâm pretty involved in this topic Iâm not really the most reliable one, never mention Ogataâs words were often vague enough that even translation matters might be at play.
What confort me is Iâve heard a good part of the Japanese fandom too, despite being able to read the story in Japanese, felt confused by this development.
I just want to hope everything will end in a satisfactory manner as weâve been trying to figure out Ogata for a long time and a retcon would be the most displeasing result. Thank you for your ask!
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I remember that one of the old japanese (and not only japanese) methods of contraception for men was overheat. It could be a hot bath or something similar. The activity of spermatozoa decreased and the man lost the ability to reproduce for some time. Even now men are warned not to get carried away with heated seats in the car for example. Obviously this method had effectiveness. So I thought about Ogata who puts the stove between his legs at every opportunity... Hm. Interesting it's purposeful?
Oh, this is interesting...
although I find funny how I would have never have guessed I would learn such things by being in the GK fandom! ^_-
Itâs kind of fascinating!
I donât think itâs purposeful, I think it falls into the joke of him being a cat... and I sympathize with him because Iâm also the sort of person who get as close as possible to each heat source (which is precisely what Iâm doing as I type... Iâm always all pressed up against a heater... but well, Iâm also on the ending line of the joke âyouâre like a catâ... even my cat watch me and say âyouâre one of usâ...) but I think itâs still interesting.
Who knows, if Noda is aware of it, keeps Ogata alive and thinks to a flash forward in which everyone have a normal life maybe itâll come up in the plot?
Thank you for this new info!
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In theory now thanks to Kadokura fake skins can be found. After all, he fell with it first in a puddle and then on the kettle. But in brewing are used copper boilers including in Sapporo. It is even called copper. The tannin with which Edogai tanned the skins gives a color reaction with iron, not with copper. So, I think that this is an artistic license. But what if this is an unexpected plot twist and fake skins will not be found?
Ops...
Iâm not really familiar with brewings so I was so sure that thing was made with iron and that was the whole point of having wetted the skins and then having Kadokura slam against it! I feel so dumb now...
>_<
Noda probably did his research though, so I fear this means the âslamming against boilerâ scene didnât cause the wet tattooed skins to react.
Maybe heâll have them react to something else... or maybe Sugimoto and Shiraishi will end up captured by Tsurumi and itâll be Tsurumi himself who will reveal the trick when heâll check if their skins are fake or not.
Weâll see.
Overall I expect someone will divide the fake skins from the real ones. At this point Iâm not sure who will be the one whoâll do the trick but I really wish for a reason why the fake skins also had to get wet so I like to hope theyâll get into contact with some iron.
Weâll need to wait and see though.
Thank you for the head up about the boiler!
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In the regular army privates consisted of peasants and were in fact mostly illiterate. Or less-illiterate (they could only read). But Border Guard Corps was a separate structure from the army. And although recruits to the lower ranks were recruited from the army. But due to the peculiarity and importance of the service they tried to teach privates at least a minimum of literacy in the initial education at the Corps.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THOSE GREAT INFO!
All this is really interesting!
I love how Golden Kamuy is also a beautiful chance to get into history and different cultures! really, thank you so much!
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Hello! I want to add about Vasily's literacy. At the Border Guard Corps there were regular education teams. The initial education took place over a period of 4 weeks and included, among other things, the acquisition of at least primary literacy. Many have learned literacy thanx to service.Of course some people neglected their studies and didn't mastered sufficient reading and writing. But I would like to think that even if Vasily was illiterate initially he took the opportunity to get knowledge.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INFO!
I liked to think they would provide them a basic knowledge, if anything to read written orders but I couldnât find any confirmation for this so your info is very welcomed! Really, thank you so much!
If I can ask, do you maybe know if this applied also to guardians of lighthouses like Svetlanaâs parents? Weâve been wondering about them too and if they read the letter Svetlana supposedly wrote to them or if the letter was written by Tsukishima who also read it to them.
Anyway thank you so much for the info!
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Ramblings and crazy theory time about GK chap 274 âObsessionâ
So this chapter is mostly a chapter that works to expose stuff except the most important one.
Come on, Sugimoto, let us know what you know about Yuusaku. We need to know. For science. No, okay, weâre just curious, thatâs it.
So anyway, exposition time.
As the guys are at Sapporo station Asirpa tells them a story about an Ainu woman making beautiful red clothes. However, when her husband wore them, wet them under the rain and then rested his iron axe against them, they changed colour and turned brown.
Asirpa interprets this by saying the womansâ âobsession' for a perfect red colour made it delicate.
Meanwhile we see Shiraishi walking away from the bottle-mobile carrying Asirpaâs things. Now, okay, Asirpa has just lived a traumatic experience but Iâm not really fond of how they turned Shiraishi into the boy that carries the luggage. Whatever, as he walks away he looks back at Boutarouâs corpse still in the bottle-mobile, thanking him, acknowledging him as the king âThank you, kingâ.
In a way itâs important, as Shiraishi has never taken seriously Boutarouâs dream yet he now validates it, he can recognize its importance and the fact Boutarou lived to fulfil it⌠and, itâs possible, in a way he inherits it, he inherits the fact heâll pass Boutarouâs memory on, so as not to let him die out completely.
On another note⌠I hope he didnât have to skin him.
I would get the sense of it, how he might want to be the one to take care of it because Boutarou was his friend and saved his life but⌠I think skinning a person has also a damaging psychological effect so I donât want this to happen to Shiraishi.
Anyway Asirpa goes on and remembers when Boutarou and Kadokura died the wet skins touched the metal stove, they changed colour.
So although @okapimstariâ was so kind to point out to me how the boiler should have been made in copper⌠well, evidently Noda took artistic licence and made it in iron. Or did they use iron stoves in the past?
No idea, anyway Asirpa noticed how one of the skins touching it has turned black while another hasnât, which was what I expected for that scene to meant originally
Anyway Asirpa points out how Sugimoto uses alum to tan the skins and Nagakura confirms they do as well so Asirpa suggests Edogai instead used another method to tan the skin, basically guessing Edogai uses tannins from a spiketail plant, which would match with what Kumagishi suggested, that Edogai wanted to make fake skins that were better than the original.
At this point we see they had placed 6 skins on the rails, under the rain.
And here things can become troublesome.
Likely of whose 6 skins, 5 are the ones Ariko brought back. The last skin should be the one that Hijikata found in Edogaiâs house. But Hijikata also had another fake skin, the one he got from the oil seller. When Asirpa figures out that, among those 6 skins, the skins that didnât follow the rules were fake but that she has 2 who follow the rules...
...she, Nagakura and Co, instead than praising Tsurumi for his guts, should have realized this means there were 2 MORE FAKE SKINS UNACCOUNTED FOR and should have checked the other skins whose provenience they werenât sure so that they would have figured out the oil seller skin is fake too.
The fact that a fake skin could still follow the rules isnât so hard to figure out, after all, as Edogai was writing Kanji at random and could pick some which would fit.
But whatever, maybe theyâll realized theyâve to check those skins too and it will be revealed in the volume version⌠or they just didnât try this method on the skin which already changed colour (but in this case why they didnât test Ogataâs skin as well? Asirpa doubted it too)... or theyâll have troubles solving the code until they realize which can make for a more interesting plot. Weâll see.
Anyway Asirpa reveals that the key to solve the code is her fatherâs Ainu name âHorkew Oskoniâ.
She gets such a sad look as she say so I feel bad for her.
Sugimoto comments it makes sense as what he realized in Karafuto was that some of the kanji on the skins shared the same sound when one would read themâŚ
...and I facepalm here because this is irrelevant.
I mean, Wilk could very well insert in the skins kanji that read âpaâ 14 times and this would mean nothing because âpaâ isnât the right kanji.
Either Wilk had been cautious to repeat only the kanji that could be read as his name⌠which gave people an additional way to figure out the code should they not know his name, or he mixed them all at random so that who didnât know the key couldnât say âokay, letâs consider all the kanji that sound the same and assume theyâre the one which are relevant and discharge the othersâ and then started a game of scrabble to see which word they could form with them so as to backtrack the key. But whatever, letâs let this slide.
Shiraishi, hearing how the name means âto catch up with the wolvesâ figures Asirpa remembered thanks to Kiro, another of Shiraishiâs friends who died in this gold hunt.
I wonder if Shiraishi is going to have a more relevant role in future developments since all this clearly affected him.
Weâre shown a panel in which Sofia, Hijikata and Nagakura talk. I do wonder if Hijikata knows Russia or if Sofia is using her broken Japanese to talk with him but whatever, theyâre probably coming to an agreement or some sort of allegiance.
Meanwhile Asirpa answers to Ushiyamaâs question confirming she told Tsurumi about the code, the visual giving us an image of Tsurumi rolling above the fake skins under Tsukishimaâs eyes. Really, Tsukishima, wake up, this is not a normal man you should follow.
Ushiyama points out theyâve to hurry so Sugimoto says theyâve to bet on the info Boutarou gave them about the place in which the Ainu gathered the gold long ago, so they should solve the code while going there, as the new hideout is likely near it.
To go there they decide to take the train.
Thereâs a panel showing theyâre reached by Kantarou, Toni Anji, Kirawus and Kadokura before getting aboard the train. As Ogata, in the previous chapter, noticed Kirawus and Kadokura, I wonder if he is merely tailing them or he even went so far as talking with them.
Weâll see.
Anyway, once aboard the train, Hijikata points out they need a spot in which they can spread the skins so they can work on solving the code. Shiraishi points out the first class is perfect for that.
A first class passenger though, in a bit of a rude fashion, take in their poor look and warns them theyâve to hurry back to the third class.
Now⌠Hijikata usually has plenty of money so maybe he bought them tickets for the first class⌠but since they didnât march straight to it but considered the third class Iâm not so sure.
So, although the guy was rude with them, I donât find particularly funny how Sugimoto just grabbed him and suck him out of the wagon in order to take possession of the first class wagon, and this stay true even if Hijikata is willing to pay the extra for a first class ticket for all of them.
He doesnât own the train and that guy, albeit clearly rude, paid for the ticket, So Sugimoto is just being a bully, worse than the over mentioned rude guy.
Anyway, as Asirpa Hijikata and Nagakura start spreading the skins in attempt to work out the solution of the code...
...Sugimoto and Shiraishi just enjoy the softness of the seats in the first class, which are like VIP seats, Sugimoto falling asleep, rocked by the train.
Due to Shiraishiâs comment though, Sugimoto ends up remembering/dreaming Kikuta, telling him he has a VIP seat for hell which makes for one hell of a bad omen for their trip...
(I think you all read in the notes how this was the litteral meaning of the sentence both Sugimoto and Kikuta said back in the past which, back then was translated as ârolling a red carpet for themâ because in English it justs works better)...
... anyway Kikuta tells Sugimoto due to this Sugimoto should forget about him⌠and about Hanazawa Yuusaku too.
âWasurete kure. Hanazawa YĹŤsaku no koto mo zenbu wasureroâ
ĺżăăŚăăăčąć˛˘ĺä˝ăŽăă¨ăĺ
¨é¨ĺżăă
âForget about me. Forget everything about Hanazawa Yuusaku also.â
Kikuta is wearing civilian clothes, his hair is cut short and his face is shaven as he smokes, which, in addition to the years who went by, might explain why Sugimoto didnât immediately recognize him.
Sugimoto also has his hair cut short and no scars.
As Sugi got his scars very early at the start of the war, this is likely PRIOR to the start of the war, maybe when Sugimoto was in Tokyo about to be recruited for it.
Itâs hard to tell though, as it can be also during his wandering prior to go back to his village and discover Umeko had married⌠but since heâs in a city I would say itâs after he made sure he wasnât contagious any longer.
Kikuta is from the Saitama prefecture, which borders with Tokyo, so, combining it with how Kikuta is a spy for Central, and Sugimoto is from Kanagawa prefecture (which also borders with Tokyo) and got enlisted in the Tokyo Division, it makes sense he might be in the Tokyo area.
Now⌠the implications of the discussions are that Kikuta did something for Sugimoto that might have put the latter in troubles since the two seem to be in good relations and yet Kikuta urges him to forget about him, as if to say âdo not care about what could happen to me, Iâm a bad guy and Iâll end up in hellâ.
Kikuta then suggests to Sugimoto to forget about Hanazawa Yuusaku, which, in case someone has forgotten, is the name of Ogataâs half-brother⌠which prior to the war should have been in the Imperial Japanese Army Academy which, again, is located in Tokyo so yeah, Iâll say they should be in Tokyo.
So whatâs the connection between Yuusaku and Sugimoto?
In all of Ogataâs memories Yuusaku was presented as a model boy, a good boy, DESPITE BEING HANAZAWAâS SON AND HANAZAWA BEING A JERK.
Ogata assumes his nice disposition is due to being raised with love by loving parents.
Now, it can be that Yuusaku did something nice for Sugimoto but still Kikuta is urging him to forget Yuusaku.
It would match with the Yuusaku we knew up till now, whoâs a nice boy⌠but I somehow donât get this wibe from this conversation.
SO, REALLY CRAZY THEORIZING TIME UP, CONSIDER YOURSELF WARNED YOUâRE ABOUT TO ENTER IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE!
Back in the far past, Sugimoto suggested Suzukawa should disguise as a high ranking officer from a division in Tokyo and Ogata shoot down that idea, saying that the higher you to in the army, the better everyone knows each other so they would see right through a fake high-ranking officer. He said so looking down, as if he had experienced something similar and, back then, many had wondered which could be the story behind this.
So what if the story behind this is that the Yuusaku he met actually wasnât the real Yuusaku?
Please, follow me in this crazy theory.
Letâs assume something happened to Yuusaku, be it that he died or that he decided heâs not up for going to war with all that high mortality rate and escaped.
Depending on what happened to him, it can be that, in order not to lose face, either Hanazawa or Tsurumi covered up his death and replaced him.
It might explain why Yuusaku doesnât seem to look at all like Hanazawa, down to his nose who looks more like Kikutaâs than Hanazawa.
But the trick would be quickly discovered should Yuusaku interact with higher ups.
So Yuusaku instead tries to spend all his time with the lower ranking soldiers. If the trick is staged by Tsurumi, it might be Tsurumi himself which instructed him to use as excuse to hand with the lower ranks, Ogata. Ogata doesnât know âYuusakuâ isnât actually his brother, while the poor âYuusakuâ just obeys to all the instructions given to him by who had placed him there. This might be why his explanation about why he shouldnât kill people felt disconnected, not like it wouldnât match what Hanazawa would tell him, and a bit hollow, as if he hadnât had a lifetime to make it his own.
I mean, Hanazawa would want his son to become a great soldier like him, and kill people. He didnât act like he cared about his troops (or anyone for the matter) so why should he care about them feeling guilt?
I think the stand in Yuusaku might have been a kind person, he might have been genuine in how he reached for Ogata, telling him it wasnât possible he werenât to feel guilt, maybe he even regretted tricking him.
But the stand in is set up to be killed.
He has to.
Partly because he would be eventually recognized as a stand in should he interact with the higher ups, partly because Tsurumi, by manipulating Ogata into killing him, basically breaks whatever kindness remained in Ogata that pushed him to feel sympathy for Koitoâs situation in a way similar to how he broke Tsukishima as well as any loyalty he might feel for Hanazawa when the latter wonât care about searching him.
And Ogata might have discovered he killed the âwrongâ Yuusaku after he killed Hanazawa. Hanazawa had a Yuusaku portrait. Ogata might have discovered the face on it didnât match with the one of the Yuusaku he killed.
And if that fake Yuusaku were tied to Kikuta somehow this would make it for an even more interesting situation, because itâs implied that Ogata and Kikuta are supposedly working together, but Ogata was nervous when he met Kikuta and felt the need to pat his head as Kikuta walked past him⌠and Usami was so kind to tattle out how Ogata was the one behind Yuusakuâs murder.
And Ogata probably now regrets murdering âYuusakuâ also because that Yuusaku wasnât the real deal and didnât deserve it at all.
Also if the REAL Yuusaku looked like Hanazawa, he would have looked like Ogata too⌠and if he did something that upset Sugimoto this might explain Sugimotoâs initial hostility to Ogata as he subconsciously saw REAL Yuusaku in Ogata.
Okay, so this is the end for this really CRAZY THEORY TIME.
Iâm probably off track big time and this is just insane theory time but it would explain some things nicely.
Anyway weâll see if Noda will develop more the initial scene, telling us about Yuusaku from Sugimotoâs point of view, finally showing us his face.
Thank you for staying with me along my insanity and letâs wait for the next chapter!
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Do you know anything about what qualifies men to expelled from the army back in the 1900s? I feel like there's a chance that Vasily's injury could've forced him to be let go from his battalion and this is possibly leading to the reason why he's chasing Ogata. Ogata as well could be prevented from serving in future wars because of the loss of his eye.
Iâll admit...
that no, Iâm not that informed about it, but more than expelled for his injury he would have probably been discharged if his injury was as such they wouldnât want him in the Army.
Thereâs to say Vasily is a sniper and a border guard so, since he can very well keep on guarding and shooting I donât know if having problems with articulating words due to his injury would be considered enough to cause him to be discharged.
Also in canon Vasily is defined as a deserter from the Russian Army by Tsukishima.
Tsukishima knows Russian and not only could speak with him but could comunicate with him in written form.
@okapimstari was so kind to share with me the info that Border Guard Corps had at least a minimum litteracy so Vasily could write back to him his answers, therefore I think Tsukishimaâs words are reliable enough.
Plus since Tsukishima worked in the intelligence with Tsurumi he probably knew if such an injury would be considered bad enough it would cause Vasily to be dismissed.
I tend to think the truth with Vasily is as simple as he says it: he didnât die when he faced Ogata so he wants to resume his fight with him.
Both Sugimoto and Ogata see his behaviour as him merely wanting to chase and fight Ogata until one of them is dead and, I think, they might be close enough, if not spot on (Iâm not sure about the spot on because we know so little about Vasily that everything is possible).
Thereâs also to say that in GK armies donât really seem prone to discharge people no matter what. I mean, Nikaidou lost a leg and a hand and yet heâs still a valid 7th division fighter... so I think Noda wanted the army to forget soldiers could actually be discharged if seriously wounded.
Sorry, I fear I wasnât very useful, still thank you for your ask!
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