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So I was thinking about Mandos and afterlife in Legendarium (as you do), and I came up with some HC/thoughts about Men.
Warnings: ghosts. Implied possibility of Hell??? (Those are two different things). Should this be a warning? It's creepy. And typically not talked about in the context of Legendarium, except some really weird questions people asked Tolkien and that one fic?
Those are all HCs based on vibe + what seems to make sense to me + what fits for me with other things. I think none of them contradicts canon, but they aren't very supported either.
First: ghosts. I wish I came up with it earlier, now it's probably a bit too late…. still, I hope to see that story someday!
So, Men have the thing that I quoted earlier today:
have a virtue to shape their life, amid the powers and chances of the world, beyond the Music of the Ainur, which is as fate to all things else
I read it as the Men can do a lot of things with their fate that the Elves cannot, and while they can't permanently bind themselves to Arda and become immortal, they can, in some circumstances, bind themselves temporarily. I'm not sure if it can be done on purpose, maybe it can (counterargument is that the Numenoreans tried to find a way to do it and failed), but we've seen it done accidentally.
We've seen: Aragorn's ghost army of Men who bound themselves to their oath (you know, who can't bind themselves to an oath this strongly? Yes, those 8 guys. Because the Men have safety switches turned off and can do more, for better and for worse.), Gorlim who bound himself by breaking his loyalty (idk if there was a formal oath involved), the Nine who bound themselves – well, accepted Sauron binding them, but it's much the same thing — with the rings.
Sidenote: The Norns are three kinds of (fate? something): things that have happenned, things that happen now, and debts/obligations/"should" (it's etymologically that!)
TBH I know very little about them, so I maybe misinterpreting. anyway, the point is that debts, oaths and obligations are a form of a self-imposed destiny. Or at least let's assume that they are.
So yes, Men can linger as ghosts if there's something keeping them: some debt or obligation. And only as long as this thing is keeping them. When it ends, they land in the normal situation, same as Men who have just died.
And, strangely, I don't think Námo has a lot to do with those ghosts. Based on thematic and visual elements I would say: Vaire if any of the Valar deals with it. Because she reminds me of the Norns. (But this is a purely aestethical choice: you could have Námo managing all of those situation and it would still work. Just… debt-ghosts and Men who die properly are a different pipeline in the Halls.)
Námo deals with processing the Men who are leaving, not the Men who are bound (until they are not longer bound). And now we get to the stranger/less canon-based part: Men too can refuse the call of Mandos.
Why? Because I said so because this leaves space for … things I won't write about anyway? IDK. It would seem strange to me if the elves could and Men couldn't.
However, unlike Elves, they cannot linger on their own (as in: without the circumstances mentioned above), and the call is a one-time event for them*.
(And the debt-ghosts get the call when their debt is gone. Earlier it... blosks the call, sort of? Postpones it? IDK but it makes sense to me.) Edit: OK, this doens't make a lot of sense probably... Probably it makes more sense to be call→they talk with Námo→sent to linger because of their stuff→deal with their stuff. But this makes it harder to write. Or at least less fun to write because the ghosts don't have the type of agency that I like when writing? Hmm... I'm not sure I'll probably edit this part some more.
So the Men either go to Mandos, are processed (with more or less arguing with Námo and difficulty) and leave; or they refuse the call, but can't (as in: it's a law of (meta)physics, not just a moral law, Iforgot the Tolkien word… axan?) stay on Arda, so… something else happens with them? Probably not pleasant? I won't delve deeper into this question.
*For Elves the call of Mandos canonically a permanent thing and they can follow it at any time, it is said in one of NoME or similar book. If they don't follow it immediately, it's bad for their state and for their chances of reembodiment. And they can be caught and necromanced. But still, they can go to Mandos late.
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❊ 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐩𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐈𝐧 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐓𝐚𝐫𝐨𝐭 𝐌𝐢𝐧𝐢 𝐆𝐚𝐦𝐞 ❊
Guys I've read all your asks and questions... Because some of you are still confused about what to do to correctly participate in the tarot mini game, I decided to get more into detail to clear up any confusion. There is not much you can do wrong in my opinion but here we go...
❊ THE MAIN STEPS:
Step 1) Please check in my pinned post whether the game is still open or not.
Step 2) If it's open, follow me and reblog the main post.
Step 3) Ask me just 1 of the 4 options at a time! Those asks with more will be deleted, sorry. However, there is no limit to how often you can send in asks!
Step 4) All readings will be tagged with #t.minigame , so you can find your reading under this hashtag once I posted it!
❊ ADDITIONAL THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND:
🔸 IMPORTANT: This is a game about reality shifting and your desired realities. I don't accept answers that don't have anything to do with those two things! (I thought that was clear but it seems like it wasn't.)
× All readings will be kept relatively short. They are all just tarot readings/intuitive readings, they don't have to resonate as nothing is really set in stone. At the end of the day, you are the one in control and you can always change things to your liking! So, don't take these too seriously, they are just for fun.
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× You can send your request anonymously. I don't necessarily need your initials or your blog name for this game.
× Generally, I don't mind lengthy asks, feel free to tell me about your DR or s/o as much as you want :)
× For the 'which dr should I focus on' questions: Basically, just ask. There is not much you can do wrong here.
× For the 'love messages from your DR s/o' questions: I need you to tell me in advance if you're ok with 18+ messages. Otherwise I won't mention them if there are any. If you want to, you can tell me additonally a bit about your DR s/o! If you have more than one s/o, please specify which one you want me to connect with. Also, I don't want to do readings about your future spouse or about your special someone "here". Sorry but this is only about DR s/o's because this game is for the shifting community only! (It would be helpful if you write "DR s/o" or something like that in your ask so I know you're a "shifter" iykwim.)
× For the 'yes/no' questions: Just simply tell me your question, then you're good! Fyi, I will not give you an in-depth explanation to my answer, only a brief one. So, take these answers with a grain of salt!
× For the 'choosing between options' questions: Just tell me a bit of the situation and mention your options. Disclaimer: of course you can try out both. These readings are just for those who want their first experience in their dr to be the most 'ideal' for themselves or for those who are really indecisive. Just take it as additional advice or inspiration!
✴️ Also, I already have 60+ requests in my inbox. Just because I don't answer you right away, doesn't mean that I didn't receive your message. Don't resend your message. Just be patient please. ✴️
That's all I think. If you have other questions let me know, I will add them here then. Byebye~
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What do you think about jc?
I've sat on this ask for a bit because I have so much to say about JC that it was difficult to pick an angle. Then I remembered some of the tags that were added to my JYL and WWX post. A few people seem to disagree with my assessment that JYL loves WWX more than JC, and I thought it would be worth responding to that because I see why there's disagreement but I stand by my position.
Standard disclaimer: I'm commenting on a trend here because I think it's interesting, and I'm not responding to anyone in particular.
OK so.
I don't dispute that JYL loves JC deeply. She takes care of him, she adores him, and I'm sure she's willing to die for him.
Where the taggers and I seem to differ is that I place more emphasis on the way JYL treats JC than the way she feels about him in the abstract. I don't doubt for a second that JYL herself would insist and truly believe that she loves JC and WWX equally as her darling baby brothers.
However, when the chips are down her actions don't bear this out. We see JYL with her brothers more than once so we do have a decent holistic picture of their dynamic right up until her death, both when things are good and when things are very bad—the latter of which being, in my opinion, much more telling.
I've gone through all their scenes (in presented rather than chronological order) to examine how JYL treats her brothers in ordinary circumstances and to highlight how that treatment differs when the stakes are higher.
Lotus Pier and lotus seeds
Though JYL is mentioned earlier than this in the novel, she first appears in the scene where YZY is upbraiding JC for shooting arrows with WWX and some of the other disciples. She slaps JC, calls him an ignorant child, and tells him off for messing around when one day he'll be clan leader. She then turns on WWX and blames him for influencing JC to fool around.
I won't get into YZY's poor parenting and leadership here. I'll just note that she scolds and humiliates both JC and WWX. And then I'll note that in the next scene, at dinner after the news that each clan must send at least twenty disciples for 'teaching', JYL passes WWX a small dish of peeled lotus seeds. It's a very sweet and quietly supportive gesture and very characteristic of her. But JC has also been scolded and struck and humiliated. Where are his lotus seeds? I realise this sounds petty, but these small things add up.
I don't at all read this scene as implying that JYL doesn't feel sympathy or love for JC. But it's the first indication that her instincts guide her towards meeting WWX's emotional needs before JC's.
Post-cave soup
Nothing notable here, WWX has just been through an ordeal and JC is in the pink of health so it makes sense that JYL is feeding WWX soup and focusing on him.
Phoenix Mountain hunt flower chuck
Before the hunt JYL's face lights up when she sees both of her brothers and she risks her fragile health to throw them a flower each. Again nothing notable about this. At that particular moment in time all is theoretically well.
Langya soup
JYL makes extra soup for both of her brothers. Makes sense, they are both present and neither are in active crisis, this is a standard domestic task she carries out for both of them (and JZX, oops).
No living man am I!
JYL stands up for WWX at the Phoenix Mountain hunt. JC isn't present this so I'm really noting it for the sake of being thorough. It's not ideal that JC isn't present and hears about it later, but it doesn't have any bearing on whether or not JYL favours WWX in her treatment of her brothers as she's not choosing between them here and she's acting as much to defend the reputation of the Jiang as to protect WWX.
The ancestral hall
Just some quick banter in this scene, Xianxian is being three years old and when JC arrives it's really the twin heroes show while JYL says she'll make them both soup to stop them fighting. JC is being pretty harsh with his words here but it's still within the realms of the way he and WWX typically rag on each other, so no one's in genuine distress and JYL is just trying to stop a squabble rather than actually tend to anyone's hurt feelings.
That said, it is one of the best examples of the typical dynamic between the three of them: the boys bickering (though here in particular with ominous undertones) while JYL gently tries to keep the peace.
Sad backstory
The scenes where JYL goes out to fetch tiny WWX from the tree and he and JC reconcile after JC loses his beloved dogs aren't a smoking gun but they are indicative of where the dynamic ends up. JYL handles this situation incredibly maturely for a girl her age. She does the right thing in going to get WWX and in ensuring JC apologises and they make up. She is in no way to blame for the fact that it's unreasonable and unfair to take away a child's dogs and expect him to accept that and be gracious about a new child whose presence is the reason for the dogs' absence.
I don't think JYL is favouring WWX here. For one thing, she's just met him and hasn't had time to love him as much as she loves JC. But it does establish a dynamic we'll see cropping up again: WWX needing support and JYL providing it, while JC's needs go comparatively unmet. I'll emphasise again that JYL is absolutely not responsible here for the awfulness of the situation, and she's doing the best anyone possibly could in her shoes. But later, when she does bear more responsibility for the disparity in the level of sisterly attention WWX and JC receive, this particular dynamic has a familiar feel.
Say yes to the dress
JC and JYL sneak out so WWX can see JYL in her wedding dress. JC really is for the most part a very good clan leader and brother and he deserves a lot of credit for moments like this where he takes a reputational risk purely because of his brotherly love and loyalty to WWX and JYL. JC is also the one who suggests WWX be the one to pick the courtesy name, which is extraordinarily generous of him and a meaningful gesture that shows he truly considers WWX family even if they've mutually agreed that in public they can't associate any more.
Like the majority of the scenes with the three of them together, this captures a moment of relative calm where it's correspondingly easier for JYL to balance her brothers' emotional needs and keep the peace through their bickering. But now we're getting to the heavy stuff ...
MEMORIES CONSUME LIKE OPENING THE WOUND
So everything that happens after WWX kills JZX does need to be properly contextualised i.e. it has to be acknowledged that this is an extreme situation. But this section is also what I personally consider to be the smoking gun, so here goes.
After JZX's death, JYL is in a terrible state but she travels alone to the pledge conference just to see WWX. In the middle of a literal battle full of resentful corpses, she runs around looking for WWX. JC and WWX try to find her and can't get to her in time, as WWX is no longer able to control the corpses and one of them seriously injures her. JC picks up JYL while LWJ holds WWX back.
At this point JYL is badly hurt but not mortally wounded. She's in JC's arms and at no point during this entire sequence does she acknowledge him in any way. All her attention is focused on WWX. She says she came to tell him something, but she can't finish her sentence because she can't bring herself to tell him it's fine and she doesn't hate him—but she also can't bring herself to say it's not fine and she does hate him.
WWX gets the corpses back under control at JYL's request and then a random disciple trying to avenge his brother strikes at WWX. JYL intercepts the blow and dies instantly (still in JC's arms the entire time).
There's quite a bit to unpack here, but what I take from this is the following:
JYL loves WWX so much that even when he has literally murdered her husband and the father of her baby she can't stop loving him and can't bring herself to condemn him even if she also can't bring herself to forgive him. This is a hugely fraught moment between the two of them and it does make perfect sense that WWX would be her primary focus. She's grieving and traumatised and that does tend to narrow one's focus.
Can I imagine a scenario where JC has struck JZX in rage and killed him and JYL struggles across a battlefield to reach him and is then unable to forgive or condemn him? Yes, without question.
Can I imagine the above scenario where WWX is also there and JYL completely ignores his existence the entire time? That would be a hell no.
And yes I know WWX is an attention grabber and harder to ignore. But as obnoxious as he can be, I do think he would if only briefly let JYL and JC have their moment. But I just can't picture a sequence of events where an injured JYL falls into WWX's arms and she doesn't even glance at him because she only has eyes for JC.
There's obviously a degree of subjectivity here of course, and I'm making my argument based on the totality of their interactions rather than picking out specific quotes. I personally think it matters that though JYL might love her brothers equally in theory, when the going gets tough she doesn't treat them equally in practice. And for me the disparity, however minor, comes to an awful culmination in their final scenes together. JC is always second best to WWX by razor thin margins, and this is yet another time where he falls infinitesimally short with cruelly painful consequences. A completely ignored JC holding his dead sister in his arms hits painfully hard, not least because it really is not possible to imagine WWX could ever have been in his place.
#ask#add1ctedt0you#roquen meta#am i being controversial again#nothing could be more controversial than my yi city post anyway#anyway in conclusion the yunmeng sibs all love each other very much#but like#'i love you both equally but i have a favourite'#i do not think 'equally' means what you think it means#jc is like an absurdly good bro#i am in no way pretending he is not a complete nightmare in many respects#but there's a reason wwx apologises to him in their final encounter#like yep there were Circumstances but you fully betrayed your family there#oh here's my actual most controversial take:#by the end of the novel wwx and jc are both better off not being in each other's lives#long post
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hi, please feel free to ignore this, i would understand if you were tired of the whole pen thing, but i have a question about her suicide fic. i read it and it was ok, nothing special, but i also see nothing wrong with it? i'm aware i might just be ignorant on the subject (i never had that problem), but i would like to understand why it is offensive and bad representation?
Hi anon! I feel like you're genuinely asking so I will answer your question, though probably not in the way you expected. Once again, discourse is tagged, everyone feel free to block it. This response might get a bit personal so keep that in mind.
I'm as tired of this topic as everyone else, but I also do not want anyone to feel left behind if that makes sense. If there is something I can help with, I want to do so (as long as I feel like the question is coming from a genuine place, if not it will be deleted without comment).
CW for discussions of triggers and mentions of suicidality.
I wish I could tell you exactly which aspects of it are the problem and why, but I have not read it and I cannot read it.
I came across one of her posts and excerpts from it completely by accident, there was no warning in front of it, no read more, nothing. My brain reads very quickly and was half-way through the post before I realized what exactly I was reading, and unfortunately that was already enough to trigger me.
I wanna reiterate for people that aren't too knowledgeable on the subject or have gotten a lot of wrong information from social media that a trigger does not just mean "it makes me uncomfortable". The reaction is connected to my trauma and experiences with the topic at hand, I was going through emotional flashbacks that left me almost hyperventilating, shaking, and unable to calm down for several hours. All because of the way she wrote about suicidality. I am not easily triggered like this, I am in therapy, I have meds, I have unhealthy self-control. The fact that it affected me the way it did speaks volumes.
So no, I cannot read her fic and I won't read it, but I do not have to. I have seen more than enough to confidently say that the way she handled this is not okay, it is not safe for people to read, she is being incredibly irresponsible in how she talks about it on her blog, and I really hope that no one who is in a tough spot comes across it and gets triggered the way I did.
If someone reads it and sees no problem with it - good for you, and I don't mean that sarcastically. But I know that there are people that will read it and get, for a lack of better words, fucked up. I asked several of my friends about it and just giving vague descriptions of what I had read was enough to make them agree that, yes, this is not how you handle this topic.
The LEAST you can do is tag it properly and with as many different warnings that apply as possible. The LEAST you can do is leave a note saying "this is in part inaccurate and triggering in x way".
But then again, the absolute bare minimum would be to listen to people when they tell you when something you write is unsafe and offensive and then not write it that way. I think we all know at this point that no matter how many different fics and people go through this exact same experiences over and over again, she does not care about her readers and she won't listen. It's sad and it's embarrassing, and once again, I really really hope no one gets seriously hurt by this.
I will add the same disclaimer I added on my other post: If you quote me just to twist my words and misinterpret what I said, I hope you are ashamed of yourself. If you need clarification just ask me, it's that simple.
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JIKOOK: ARE CONGRATULATIONS IN ORDER?
Disclaimer:
Everything expressed in here is my opinion. It is not intended to be malicious or disrespectful to any of the parties mentioned in here. Please do not hate on or send hate anyone mentioned in her expressly or by inference.
In my previous posts, I pointed out how this past year, from August 2019 to June 2020 has been a rollercoaster ride for Jikook. Their relationship has been all over the place with some even concluding they have broken up for good- you wish!
My inbox has been flooded with questions such as: Are they still broken up, are they good, are they married...
Y'all think I'd be here blogging at 1 AM for Tumblr if Jikook were married married?- Ok, I would. Lol
But No, Sis. Jikook aren't married. Not that I know of. But don't be sad though because THEY ARE BACK! Fully back to function. By that I mean Jimin mostly. Jk never left. Lol- I'll explain in a bit. But yes, I'm happy to report that they are Jikooking again!
I refrained from posting about their new moments especially this July moments because even though they've been back together after a long period of on and off again relationship during ON comeback through to festa season, and then May when JM finally asked for space in their relationship(see previous posts for details)
I've being unsure about Jimin. I've been anxious to know what the outcome of his asking for space to think things through would be.
Jikook have a push and pull relationship dynamic. We been known. Mostly when one steps back from their relationship for whatever reason, the other leans in to pull them back in.
Same thing has been happening from January where Jimin would be pulling one minute, the next he would be like meh and JK would be push to pull him back in.
That was the case in this (June-July) Japan comeback interviews. Jk was front center with expressing interest in JM pulling him whereas JM was like meh, I'm down for this baby but let's keep it professional for the group's sakes.
Just look at them here... (Photo of them at 2020 Japan interview where Jk said he was looking at JM)
See what I mean? Now you may not notice at first but look at JM's demeanor and compare it to moments in past interviews whenever JK is talking about him or their relationship.
Jk was on his flirting game which he usually is when he wants to break the ice with Jimin if there's been tension between them or when someone around is making a pass at JM and he wants them to know what's up- he ain't slick. Lol
At times too he takes the initiative to flirt when he is feeling super confident and cocky and hella bold and just wants to. Trust me, when he flirts with Jimin, IT IS NOT FOR FANSERVICE. He means that shit.
Now compare JM's body language in that Japan interview moment this one right here: (photo of JM and Jk at the interview where JK said from now on together)
Jimin usually acts very coy, giddy and whipped even around JK when JK flirts with him but most importantly he seems to egg JK on in such moments. He enjoys being claimed openly by JK just as much as JK loves being claimed by JM publicly- which is why as nervous as that makes him he keeps going back for more.
Now this is gonna sound controversial but I have seen JM tell Suga off at times when Suga has tried to initiate skinship with him. I won't show you the picture but you can watch it for yourself during the On Come back where they wore Purple and black. It happened right at the moment Suga touched JMs back. JM mouthed 'Hajima' to Suga to stop touching him. That's all I'm gonna say y'all. Lmho. Don't want trouble.
My point is, these boys have a filter. If they don't want something done to them they won't hesitate to say it or show it. Much like when JK pushed Tae's hand away during a VLive- and he's pushed JM off sometimes too. He is assertive more so than all the members. If he doesn't want something he won't do it or allowed it.
Suga asked him not to get the tattoos when he first expressed interest in them way back in American Hustle life. But he told them if army loves him they would love everything he does and not try to limit him. Jk does as JK pleases.
So yea, if JK didn't like what Jimin has been doing with him he wouldn't be around him much less reciprocate those feelings and actions and initiating them on his own at times. Their interactions are MUTUAL.
And yes, that was shade.
Jimin understands the guts it takes JK to take such initiatives with him and so he kinds of encourages Jk to go on with it or acts in a way that boosts JK's ego. Like when JK shouted 'arrest me' in the middle of an interview. Jk... SMH.
So it was a bit unsettling to watch JM not even try to flirt back with JK in moments like this like he usually would. Dude wasn't even initiating their shtick during this period first of all nor was he responding to them in a way he usually would.
Not sure the aesthetics he was going for here but it screamed let's keep this professional on camera and get naughty when we get home. Or much like, dude I asked for space and I'm realizing I like you just as much but stop coming on too strong.
Which frankly, is what the members have been asking them to do since October last year when the hashtag to cancel Jikook in S.K trended. So JM wouldn't be wrong to take such a stand....
Given that the crux of their issue has been that Jikook is developing into a brand almost independent of BTS' brand and this in a way is affecting the dynamics of the group, a little discretion wouldn't hurt.
The cheers for Jikook moments are getting louder and louder each year even at events such as awards and not just on stage. Jikook is taking a lifeform of it's own. Its becoming a brand almost as powerful as BTS' brand. They are a power couple or becoming one. Like or not. Their fans are becoming loud and large too. So often, lately, it seems they tend to steal the show and direct attention away from the band. It's crazy.
Tae literally had the floor, delivering his speech at the MMA 2019 but people weren't even paying attention to that at all. They were more interested in Jikook and whatever they were doing and they went nuts the moment JK held Jimin and even wilder when he placed his head on Jimin which is what lead to infamous standoff with RM.
JM had literally bumped his butt against Hobi's crotch region moments before the Jikook moment but the crowd didn't lose it as much. Please go back and listen to the deafening sounds of the crowd for yourself.
As much as we love Jikook, there are some that don't and they can be very loud. I'll leave it there. Please support Jikook. Thank you.
BTS had a whole concert end of October 2019 and the hashtag that trended was 'cancel Jikook.' That took away from the hardwork of the band and reduced it to a few seconds of two boys fanboying over eachother. That's.... sigh.
When you see it this way, the RM separating them at Jingle bell red carpet, on stage or even BigHit trying to regulate their Vlives make sense.
Moving on. So yea I wasn't sure about JM all this past few months especially as I believe he had asked for space in their relationship. You might not think much of it but given as JM had said in the past how if he had a lover he would want to be with them all the time and Jikook do spend a lot of time around each other but suddenly hear them talk about spending time apart and enjoying it and what not....
But I think I can stop worrying now because HE IS BACK! There is a new Jimin in town and he is taking names! Good for him!
And I don't mean his new hairdo this August. I mean the new attitude. This attitude:
In this interview he says he would take JK to an island which smart decision. I would take JK too cos dude can do anything, cant he?! Bless him.
But thats beside the point. What I think is happening here is, Jimin finally took a stand. He made up his mind and he is not getting pushed around anymore. Because this Jimin hasn't showed up in a while now. Now he seems quite defiant most times if you've been paying attention to him, so rebellious, so sure of himself. Good for him. Spending time to himself has done him some good. It's given him room to reflect and sort out his priorities.
He loves his work, his band and he loves JK and it's hard when all of those start rubbing against eachother. But Fuck professionalism. He is in love with JK and that is professionalism too. Add loving JK till the end of time to his profession bishes!! :p
Sorry. I got carried away.
But seriously, he seems like his old self but it's also a new self because he hasn't been that self for a hot minute. This is JK's sweat tastes like holy water Jimin. This is I promised Jk I will go to the moon with him Jimin, this is I wanna go on a trip alone with JK Jimin- but badder. If you are a hardcore JM stand like I am you'd understand what I'm talking about.
HE IS BACK BABY! Our daddy is back!
The point of this post is to say, I believe JM finally figured out what he wants. So now hopefully the up and down should die down because quite frankly it's hard to keep up with those two I swear! We need a smooth sail Jikook. Make it happen!
I love it. I love where this is going and I can't wait to see more of their interactions so cheers to Jikookers and congratulations to Jimin for putting his shit together. We wanted rain. We about to be hit with a tsunami of Jikook moments.
Stay blessed. Stay beautiful. Jikook forever.
Signed,
Goldy
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Tsukasa’s death theory time
... hey, how y'all doing?...
i don't how to start posts, but here I go: I have a theory on what happened/lead hanako to kill tsukasa.
(disclaimer: I'm not very good on explaining theories because at some point I get everything tangled, so if this happens here, I am very sorry, and it does contain spoiler, so be aware 🥺)
so, the thing is, I've read this one theory about the relationship between the twins and something came to my mind, because what it said really makes sense to me so hear me out:
hmm... to summarize, the theory brought to me that tsukasa was never violent to hanako (directly, because I do believe that the things that he did caused an affect in hanako, and psychological violence it is violence, isn't it?), and he is a little less feral with nene (even tho he says it was because she is a girl, something makes me believe that he is thinking in hanako too), but the point is: what if the relationship between him and hanako was not that akdhjajdjs (i don't have a better way to put it) before his death?
I mean, I don't think that Tsukasa was a little angel that only loved his big brother to death, I still believe he is the personification of that meme 'I lost my bitch ass dog', annoying as possible, really push over, curious little bitch (mom i love him, can I keep him?), but he was Amane's little brother, so they loved each other with all that, you know? bros being bros.
but let me point out things that came to my attention:
y'all remember that one promise that Amane did when he was alive, right? When he said 'you know what? I am not gonna leave' while sitting under the pale moonlight and all that? And if I'm not wrong that scene is the same one that brought to us the fact the he was being bullied/abused.
so we all thought at some point that it was Tsukasa's doing (because yeah), and maybe it was idk, but how come Tsukasa be violent before but not after death? I know that sounds really shallow, but I don't believe that death, with all the rage that he have, was the one to change this trait. If Tsukasa did something to Amane, I am starting to believe it was more psychological than physical (he pass me that vibe, very manipulative, not harmless, but I don't think he would get physical with Amane, it was pointed out several times that Hanako is somewhat of athletic, he was even interested in P.E.¹ when he was alive, and even if he does not fight back Tsukasa, he would get in a defense position, you know what I mean?)
I did not find the part where Amane said he has interest in P.E., but I do know it exists (right?), I think it was one of the memories of Spider-sensei, if I'm not wrong.
next, once we got know that nene's fate is death, we also get to see how Hanako tends to be desperate when his plans doesn't go the way he expects to, he goes way beyond everything just to make things work, he prioritize the thing he wants to do/get, if he can do it in a good way he'll do, otherwise he'll do it in the same way, even if upsets someone, it's something like the greater good, I think.
I don't know if he was like that when he was alive or if is what he said about God forgiving him¹, but the thing is: he does what he needs to get to his objective, he is very obstinate by all means, like if the price is sacrifice himself and someone else to keep nene safe he'll do kind of situation, it comes with the atone of his sins.
by this point, it was showed two times that something like that was said, but with two different tones, the first one when he was fighting with kou in the begging and the second one when he was in the meeting with other supernaturals.
and in the second you get something like a demanding vibe, like 'the god has to forgive me', at least that's what I thought reading that, but occurred to me 'who is this god?', and with this, I think you remember this scene:
and here is what I thought: even if we don't know who this god is, i don't believe that it is tsukasa, but I do believe it is the same who bullied/abused him whoever it is this person, so sounds like they are exchanging forgivings, something in the line of 'I forgave all you did to me, so now, pay it back, or consequences'.
OK! NOW LET'S GATHER ALL TOGETHER ❤
Moving to Tsukasa's death:
starting with the promise Amane did, I do think it was because of Tsukasa and the 'god', he wouldn't leave his brother neither the person who did those things to him whatever the reason is, but the point is what if Amane was between these two figures, his younger brother who was very clinging but was all he got as family and love and the person who bullied him, here we got two types of manipulations, from his brother and from that other person.
(I know this is starting to sound crazy, I know)
talking about the relationship with Tsukasa, I do think his manipulations were the family type, like "i am your only brother, so won't you let me do [the thing he wants to do]?", bringing up the soft spot kind of thing, even if it was a bad thing.
the 'god' I don't have much to say about the relationship, because, you know, so far the god was only talked-about in these panels I brought up, this god could be literally nothing at all, but if it is I think their manipulation were both psychological and physical to the point to get into Amane’s mind.
by saying all this, what if the abuse by both sides was too much to Amane? I mean I don't know with the god was a living person by the time Amane was alive as well, but considering it wasn't let's forget about it now and focus on Tsukasa; I'm not going to put a context because I don't have enough to elaborate one (lol), but supposing that there was a fight/misunderstanding between the twins and Tsukasa pushed really hard on Amane, making him believe that the only way out was killing Tsukasa¹, I don't know, maybe he told Amane that everything was going back to normal if that happened, or maybe that something was going to happen if didn't do it, I really don't know, but the I really to point out is that I think Amane killed Tsukasa out of desperation, nor rage or something like that, I don't know why he would be desperate, but I do believe that that's what he was feeling at the time, I mean...
this is not an angry expression, it's pain, remorse, desperation, sadness. I don't know what Tsukasa did or said to Amane, but that didn't stopped Hanako from hating what he have done, but (maybe) he believes that what he did was what he needed to, maybe to keep his promise or i don't know, and in the end the guilty was so much that he ended up ending his own life (in which I think that the god influenced by saying he would forgive hanako from his wrong doings if turned into the seven wonders and solved problems no matter the price, this would be hanako mask, but that's something for later on).
so this is it everybody, thanks for coming to my ted talk.
if there is any misspell I'm sorry, english is not my first language, I do use it here to help me improve in this matter. if anybody has anything too add up or could share so it can reach to more people, please do, I love hearing about theories
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