#of course on the flip side there is the fact that sj is the villain and lbh the protagonist of pidw

[stardust-falling]

For all I write about Shen Jiu's abusive traits and his crimes, and for all I argue against him here on tumblr dot hell, this one absolutely has to go to Bingge for one single reason-- scope.

This has absolutely nothing to do with which type of actions were worse, or caused more trauma, or anything like that, but the scale upon which these crimes were enacted.

Shen Jiu murdered some of the men in a single household as an act of revenge, while Luo Binghe basically dismantled and slaughtered his way through the entire cultivation world.

Shen Jiu abused Luo Binghe and likely other disciples on his own peak, but we don't know the way Luo Binghe would have treated his own children-- nonetheless, if Bingmei is as violent and dreadful to his subordinates as shown in SVSSS, it's only reasonable to think that he was equally if not more so in PIDW (as far as we know, he doesn't really have disciples so there's not a direct one-to-one comparison).

Shen Jiu stabbed his abuser to death (on two separate occasions), but it was over with fairly quickly. Luo Binghe brutally tortured his abuser for likely years on end before he died.

Of course, personally I think the question in the header and the question at the end are somewhat different-- Who is more evil? is a lot harder to answer, as things like "good" and "evil" are subjective qualities especially when it comes to speculating on fiction. Answering this question would be based on each responder's personal experiences and values. Who is the bigger villain? however is a much easier question to answer, since it's about the literary tropes now-- and easily, the bigger villain is Luo Binghe.

Shen Jiu might have been Luo Binghe's villain, and the villain of some of his disciples, and maybe even Liu Qingge's villain though I severely doubt that LQG cared that much about him-- meanwhile, Luo Binghe's villainy spreads far wider. The people he conquered, the women he forced himself on, the enemies he made throughout multiple realms-- and that doesn't even take into account the sheer apocalypse he causes in the merging of the realms.

Shen Jiu is a small-scale, single-story villain. Luo Binghe is Thanos.

A common thing I have seen is fanfiction is people making these two seem better than they are, so I feel like I should remind you that Luo Binghe has canonically forced himself onto women, and Shen Qingqiu has canonically given a child a defective cultivation manual in hopes that he would qi deviate

With that in mind, who do you think is the bigger villain?