#obviously there is a certain amount of exoticizing greece that's happening here but also it is pretty clear from archaeology that greek
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"Men's dinner parties are held in these large rooms; for it was not the practice, according to Greek custom, for the mistress of the house to be present. On the contrary, such peristyles are called the men's apartments, since in them the men can stay without interruption from the women ... The Greeks call the large rooms in which men's dinner parties are usually held แผฮฝฮดฯฯฮฝฮตฯ, because women do not go there."
-- Vitruvius trans. M.H. Morgan
"For instance, what Roman would blush to take his wife to a dinner-party? What matron does not frequent the front rooms of her dwelling and show herself in public? But it is very different in Greece; for there a woman is not admitted to a dinner-party, unless relatives only are present, and she keeps to the more secluded part of the house called 'the women's apartment,' to which no man has access who is not near of kin."
-- Cornelius Nepos trans. J.C. Rolfe
really enjoying this very specific bit of ancient literature I've come across that consists of "roman authors who clearly think it's very strange that greek houses have separate areas for men and women"
#it's not as evident in vitruvius from this but he's just gone through all this stuff about roman houses so btwn this and them not having#atria it comes across as seeming like a sort of strange way of doing things#thoughts#obviously there is a certain amount of exoticizing greece that's happening here but also it is pretty clear from archaeology that greek#houses Were very gendered in ways roman ones absolutely weren't so I think it does kind of stand up in the end#plus greek sources e.g. lysias theopompus etc as the other side of this view
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