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[...] nothing to read here but The Nova Express by William Burroughs; the Nietzche and Dostoevsky that Kesey has; and the Bible; everybody goes through The Nova Express in a couple hours; but the Bible they can linger over... and gradually without anybody hardly saying anything about it, without getting high even, they are in another time dimension [...]
Tom Wolfe, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.
#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#quotes tag#still deeply unsure how to rate this one on my goodreads because it was fascinating but i do not feel i can recommend it
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"...It's easy to have faith as long as it goes along with what you already know..."
Tom Wolfe, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.
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Years later, I wondered if modern American society had been replacing a system of mythology and religious dogma with a system of reason as a way to explain ourselves and the world around us. I wondered if there were a genuine need in humans not only to categorize and comprehend, but to acknowledge and to address, in unscientific terms, the mystery of that which creates, binds, animates, and destroys. And I wondered if teachers like Atmananda were increasingly exploiting such a need in millions who, for whatever reasons, had chosen a path apart from conventional religion. Perhaps by nurturing both mystical and rational inclinations, society could explore the realm beyond the surface world of reason while keeping pace with the charismatic predators of the New Age.
Mark E. Laxer, Take Me For A Ride: Coming of Age in a Destructive Cult.
#the God-shaped hole is back at it again!#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#stuff i'm reading#(well. just finished actually. but still.)#quotes tag
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I finished reading Take Me For A Ride by Mark E. Laxer recently, and the whole thing is making me think of self-control as a virtue and how Frederick Lenz's idea of "enlightenment" is disturbingly divorced from self-control.
#it was appendix c in particular got me thinking about it#quoth lenz: 'i had no choice in the matter. as i have no choice in anything that happens anymore...'#and in a way the whole book is about laxer taking his self-control back from lenz#anyway it's a fascinating read and it's free on project gutenberg#live from the scriptorium#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#edit: i feel the need to add that i put quotations around 'enlightenment' not as a means of disrespecting buddhists#but rather because i don't think frederick lenz's idea of enlightenment is very in line with what i understand of buddhism
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For that matter, there was no theology to it, no philosophy, at least not in the sense of an ism. There was no goal of an improved moral order in the world or an improved social order, nothing about salvation and certainly nothing about immortality or the life hereafter. Hereafter! That was a laugh. If there was ever a group devoted totally to the here and now it was the Pranksters. I remember puzzling over this. There was something so... religious in the air, in the very atmosphere of the Prankster life, and yet one couldn't put one's finger on it.
Tom Wolfe, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.
#the God-shaped hole is such that humans really will build a religion around anything#in the pranksters' case that something is substance abuse#quotes tag#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#stuff i'm reading
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Told my sister that the corpse of Robert Ettinger, the father of cryonics, awaits reanimation alongside his wife and his ex-wife, and she said, “That just sounds like Mormonism with extra steps.”
#she is... not incorrect#it is very 'time and all eternity'#live from the scriptorium#if you could hie to kolob#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag
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45 years ago, while their father was taking lives, three of his sons were trying to save lives.
On November 18, 1978, three of Jim Jones’ children—Stephan, Jimmy, and Tim—were in Georgetown, Guyana with their basketball team. When the Temple members in Georgetown received orders from their father telling them to kill themselves, Jimmy attempted to convince their father not to order mass-suicide. When that didn’t work, Stephan stalled to keep the group of Temple members in Georgetown from taking their own lives and called the Peoples Temple in San Francisco every half hour to ensure they stayed alive. All three went to the U. S. embassy in a last attempt to stop Jim Jones.
As many macabre stories as I’ve heard about Jonestown and as often as people jokingly say “don’t drink the Kool-Aid”, I didn’t learn about how many lives Jones’s sons saved—and tried to save—on the exact same day until today.
#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#still thinking about this years after reading about it
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Watched a YouTube documentary on cryonics and I’ve now fallen down a rabbit hole and am watching a video of a service at a cryonics church.
#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#live from the scriptorium#their creed quotes arthur c. clarke and this fact is positively sending me
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I absolutely am still working on getting the plank out of my own eye on this one but entirely too many people on the internet are way too comfortable treating cults as entertainment and being accusatory toward cult survivors.
#when i say 'cults as entertainment' i don't mean fiction media about cults shouldn't exist#i mean that people fail to recognize the humanity of cult members and cult survivors#and also fail to recognize their own humanity#(i don't think many people if any are immune to joining a cult)#idk man i've been researching jonestown since i finished that jeff guinn book#watching interviews with and reflections written by survivors#and the sheer amount of people who feel its their place to criticize how these survivors reacted to their entire world crashing down#it just absolutely disgusts me#'rip to them but i'm different' are you??? are you really so different???#because the older i get the more i realize i could easily become a decent number of the people i've criticized#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#live from the scriptorium
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On November 18, 1978, three of Jim Jones’ children—Stephan, Jimmy, and Tim—were in Georgetown, Guyana with their basketball team. When the Temple members in Georgetown received orders from their father telling them to kill themselves, Jimmy attempted to convince their father not to order mass-suicide. When that didn’t work, Stephan stalled to keep the group of Temple members in Georgetown from taking their own lives and called the Peoples Temple in San Francisco every half hour to ensure they stayed alive. All three went to the U. S. embassy in a last attempt to stop Jim Jones.
As many macabre stories as I’ve heard about Jonestown and as often as people jokingly say “don’t drink the Kool-Aid”, I didn’t learn about how many lives Jones’s sons saved—and tried to save—on the exact same day until today.
#i finished reading jeff guinn's the road to jonestown#highly recommend it to anyone seeking a better understanding of what happened leading up to the jonestown massacre#he really treats these people as human beings and i think that matters especially considering there are living survivors of this tragedy#obligatory new religious movement rabbit hole tag#live from the scriptorium
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