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scrolling on pinterest and i found this, i think someone should draw Hera like this 🙀
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Okay SO @rowlev
I went on spring break and have been adding to/editing this post daily. I did cut back on a few things but I can gladly go more in-depth about things or keep going!! You should be afraid :>
HIS PAST/FAMILY/NON-CAMP JUPITER STUFF
- Octavian grew up rich. I hc that his family was one of the founding families of New Rome, and outside the Mist has major influence in either Hollywood or California's theatre scene.
- His mother is British, daughter of Apollon, and received the blessing of the Tragedy Muse Melpomene. That's why his story ends tragically.
- His family name is either Augustus or Traianus. No clue why I settled on Traianus, but "Octavian Traianus" has been my hc for his name for YEARS
- See this post that I added to about the presentation of his gift!
- He grew up very isolated from the world before going to Camp Jupiter, mostly in his own room honestly
- He had an alt older brother named Ahkyles (pronounced Achilles), who introduced him to bands like Nirvana, MCR, etc. As a result when he isn't in Camp Jupiter attire he dresses very grunge. His parents hate this.
- His parents pushed him to perfection growing up. Anything that wasn't 100% perfect was a failure.
- He was definitely neglected (unless his gift was involved), causing him to make himself more dramatic to try and get his parents attention.
- He went to one of those fancy private college prep academies on a pre-med track. He wanted to study veterinary science at an East Coast school someday
- Vegetarian by choice. He refuses to eat anything he could've read a prophecy from. Jason once told him he can't read from fish or shellfish though, so he does love shrimp.
- He and Jason were best friends before Hera took Jason's memories. They were at camp for a long time together after all
- He's one of the few men Reyna trusts because of that friendship with Jason.
CHARACTER DEPTH STUFF
Rick wrote Octavian very one sided, very much "you're supposed to hate him". And to a normal reader, yeah, we are. HOWEVER.
My interpretation of Octavian comes from the fact that we can see his descent, if we know the signs of what we're looking for. He's barely 18, and to my eyes is experiencing the culminative psychotic break of a boy who should've been given help loooooooong before this point. He experiences delusions canonically (see his entire arc. They're just not called that). I also like to think he experiences auditory hallucinations, mostly of whispers or pained animal cries.
Octavian's canon arc can be put into perspective of "this is a mentally ill teenager who needs help just like the rest of them." Canonically he's been at camp since age 11, readers forget he was ALSO raised into the life of a soldier. I speak from a bit of personal experience having grown up doing jrotc since age 12, that can do numbers to someone's mental health.
He also has a TON of pressure on him. We forget that the position of Augur is a leadership position, and that New Rome puts a LOT of faith on their Augur to read the right prophecies and guide them to victory. Add that to the idea that he was raised in a perfectionist household, and you have a boy who's been forced to an unattainable standard for almost half his life. He's also Centurion of the First Cohort, expected to be the leader for the camp's best, on top of his role as Augur. Pressure breaks people, and I'm convinced that's what happened to him.
TL;DR Octavian was experiencing a psychotic break as a result of way too much leadership and perfectionist pressure on an 18 year old
MISCELLANEOUS
I think he's a really good vision of a few concepts. A, that Camp Jupiter isn't the perfect safe haven the Greeks originally thought it was. B, you can be raised into a rich family and still be traumatized. C, sometimes the kid with weird behavior just needs help
There's a lot of parallels between him and Luke, and I need Luke apologists to stop being Octavian haters.
He's an all-around really interesting character to think about once you set aside how canon portrays him, I'll always be a little mad we didn't get to see more of him.
Hope this helps!!! ♡♡♡
I noticed you’re an Octavian fan and I’d like to source some headcanons for a Jason fanfic I’m writing. Give me the full rant, the things you like about him, elements of depth you think people miss, theories about his time before HOO, etc
OHHH OKAY I CAN DO THIS GIVE ME A COUPLE HOURS TO COMPILE EVERYTHING IN ONE REBLOG
#octavian pjo#octavian hoo#in which darrow talks too much#camp jupiter#percy jackson#heroes of olympus
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The Definitive Guide to mythology
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Getting ready for Humans
Creation Commandment Nine: Getting ready for Humans
Genesis 1:24 And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind.” And it was so.
Ah the bug spot! This command of creation number 9 is our introduction to animals and bugs. I always wondered how bugs fit in. For the most part humans have spent an eternity trying to kill them. I have heard it said that the one thing that would survive a nuclear holocaust was bugs. Not to underscore animals. All that the Lord made, so long ago, has survived. Whether it’s Darwin to random evolution, creation has survived.
God is not one dimensional. It’s like humans to make a singular God do one thing. Zeus is the god of thunder. He is not the god of love. There is Hades the god of the underworld. The Jewish God is odd. He does not conform to the ways of the deities in the human world. Why can’t you make an idol to God? It’s because he is the multi-dimensional God. Zeus is called Zeus. Hera is called Hera. The Jewish God is called Yahweh (Lord), Adonai (master), El Olam (everlasting). It makes sense that God is also called the Trinity (three in one). This God head is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. What I’m getting at is that God would create multi-dimensional creatures. Why? It’s his nature to be more than one thing.
With that said, God created plants and their kinds. We have several different pine trees and roses. The birds of the air and fish in the sea were commanded into being. Then God made them by their kinds. We have the ostrich and the dove. The Whale and the Mino. Yet, each time God made the template and then expanded on it. I have heard guys say that you should never buy a car that is a first edition. They have to work the bugs out. God worked the bugs in by the 9th command of creation.
Is that why we survived all these years? Are plants adaptable because God made different kinds? I have been so stunned when people say it was random creation. Did that person ever think about (and study) a pelican and a humming bird. Have you taken a good long look at a crocodile and a lion? People try and link an ape to a man. Yet, two types of creatures in their own species like the humming bird and pelican can’t be more different, yet their birds. What exactly does a crocodile and a lion have to work with? The multi-dimensional God made multi-dimensional creatures by their kind.
I am fascinated with anti-God people. They accept that an explosion made a humming bird and a newt. They also except that we were vegetarians in the beginning. Some have even quoted the Bible to bolster their point. We were not meant to eat meat. Yet, God created cattle. He created fish and plants. Ironically, humans eat them all. Ok, back to the bugs. God basically told us not to eat them. Why are they here! It even says God created wild animals. Cattle are not wild or domesticated. Cows do what cows do. Same with bugs!!
Genesis 1:25 “God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.”
This book is going out of its way to say God made the kinds. The Bible is drawing a line in the sand in regards to Darwin. A line in the sand with the Big Bang Theory. I still think that theory is possible. That does not deny that God didn’t do it. How do people reconcile that bears are all over the planet, yet the Venus Fly Trap is in a swamp in North and South Carolina only? I’m not a fan of being a God Apologist. Yet, only a blind man can’t tell that every creature and plant on this planet is unique and different.
We are now at the end if it. Of what? Everything that a human need to survive has been created. I am stunned at the anti-creationists. The people that think the Bible is so dumb. The first 9 commands of creation methodically set up the earth to support humans. It says in Genesis 2 that the animals were actually made to be helpers of humans (vegetarian alert). In our next command God tells the man that he will take care of and rule all these creatures. One piece at a time, God is setting the stage for man to appear. Even the atheists believe animals came before humans. The Bible is not that dumb or wrong as they think.
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