#nthspecialll asks

[nthspecialll]

I hardly ever see anyone talk about it, but seeing Bill play and generally fuss over cain in some interactions is one of the most heart warming things ever, just a grumpy dude with his dog

He really did love that dog, and I love watching them play or Cain just sit by Bill's side. But yeah, Bill is an animal lover, both with Cain but Charles and Arthur also talk about how much Bill loves Brown Jack.

I think it is a little similar as wiht Kieran, Bill never really knows where he stands with people, he knows he is being bullied but can't recongize it when it happens to his face, it is something he worries about but doesn't have to around animals. No animals care if he is "wierd", if he is "dumb" or gay or anything, they are just happy to see him, people aren't.

[gremlin-boah]

I give Dutch, a horse made of mango

This one's fo yo Dutch!

Ah shit.

@nthspecialll I think he was hungry, he could eat a mango horse.

[dreamingatnights]

MAKE THE COMIC ABOUT HOW JAVIER GOT HIS SCAR!! PLEASEEEE AND IF YOU DO, PLEASE KEEP ME UPDATED

Dkfhfkfj I WANT TO BUT MORIVATION IS HAAARD

If you're curious you can always reach my dms though because i like... Already have most of my ideas down already and i could send you the script or smt 👀

[werewolfarthurmorganenjoyer]

I love the Jobigail, Sadigail and Jovier polycule because this means Jack is stuck in an endless loop of "ask your dad/mom" until Uncle Arthur comes to the rescue and takes the boy to the bookstore

(@nthspecialll because we talked about this a while ago lol)

[nthspecialll]

Am I the only one who feels like Arthur and Mary would have never worked out no matter what? I kind of think that no matter what happened, even if they got their happy ending so to speak, that they still wouldn’t be happy or right with each other? They make me feel so sad and this definitely is no hate to my girl Mary Linton but I just feel like they are rather the wrong person and the wrong time and that they wouldn’t have figured out that they couldn’t be together no matter what? Like they would wish and try to believe that they could be happy but they never really could if they were with each other? 😭

I think that them settling into a home life somewhere would have been a battle. They come from very differnet envioments, cultures and homes, there are going to be a lot of both small and big clashes between them where they would need to find a common ground.

One thing is being lovers but living seperately, another thing is when you move in together, there is a lot of small things that you need to agree on and that can be hard. It will mean a lot of compromises, on both sides and they need to find a way to do it without either feeling that they are giving more than the other. It will be hard and it will be a test of love, but if they truely love one another they will pull through.

[nthspecialll]

how old do you think sean was when he joined the gang? and how do you think he acted when he first met everyone?

I think Sean was around 17-19 years old when he joined, if we say he was early 20s when he died. I say that because I think he was around 15 or so when his father died, and then he also needed some time to go to reform school, escape and then spend some time on the street. So around 17-19 years old when he found Hosea and Dutch.

As for how he acted, we know how he acted with Hosea and Dutch, he was a bit cocky when trying to rob them before crying after realising that they had in fact robbed him of his bullets. But how he acted when he met everyone else, I think he was the jokester right off the bat. I have previously talked about the fact I believe Sean's humor to be a defense and protective mechanism, and putting that in place immediately would be the best course of action. By being this kind of mean fool he puts himself into the hirachy and makes himself liked by the most important people like Dutch, which is highly important as you cannot make it on your own as an outlaw.

[nthspecialll]

haiii i was replaying rdr2 and i forgot how WEIRD emmett granger’s mission is ?? the way he keeps calling arthur girly and feminine like hello this is like a 6 foot tall guy with a whole ass beard who is buff AS HELL… but then tommy in the javier barfight mission also calls arthur a pretty boy ?? so HM. any thoughts on this? :P (ur just my go to guy ur thoughts are so good…)

Being feminine back in that time was obviously an insult to most men as the idea of a manly man was at its peak, and even in the rdr universe we see it thrown around, not just at Arthur but also at John and Javier.

With Javier it comes from the fact that he takes care of his appearence and that is kinda seen as a girly thing to do, however I don't think that is the reasoning for either John's nor Arthur's as their canon outfits are... Questionable if you ask me. I would say this is more based in the insulter rather than the person being insulted.

Being called pretty boy even today in real life can be an insult, especially if you say it to someone who is in fact very masculine as Arthur is, so I am guessing that Tommy said it to annoy Arthur, which he was able to. It worked, the insult worked.

With Granger, where it can be both John and Arthur, I would say it is more Granger's own insecurites shining through. He used to be a big important person, he used to be this big manly dude who was feared and respected but now he is a balding old man who shovels shit and lives in a small sorry excuse for a shed. He isn't exactly feeling great about himself and then suddenly in comes John/Arthur who is exactly what he used to be, and now has to watch him do something as lowly as shoveling shit.

He regains a bit of his honor by tearing John/Arthur down, humiliating them by putting them to shovel shit and also by calling them feminine.

[nthspecialll]

If somehow in some miracle Javier sided with John and Arthur, how do you think that would go down?

I think that it would have been... Interesting. I don't think that at the actual stand off a lot would have changed, because Dutch just talks generally and not specifically to either John or Arthur, I don't see why he would Javier. I thought for a moment he would try to guilt trip Javier because he did all those things for him, but everything Dutch did for Javier he also did for John and Arthur, of course Javier would have been more screwed if Dutch hadn't saved him but I don't think Dutch would be thinking about that in that moment.

As for later, he would have gone with John after he and Arthur seperates, most likely it would be Arthur who asked him to. John is wounded and has both Pinkertons, Micah and Murfree Brood after him so having someone protect him is likely a good idea.

After they meet up with the girls I think he would be fucked because he doesn't have anywhere to go. He is in a country where they don't offer Mexicans a lot of legal jobs, as seen in the Ferry Robbery, finding a gang in America that isn't racist is hard, he would be struggling trying to find something to believe in as his ideals would be shattered and he cannot return to Mexico either as he would indanger his family. Either he would have to run off to the mountians in Mexico and hide like he did in canon, follow the Marstons and practically be a burden or go with Sadie and become a bountry hunter, which I think is best case scenerio but I don't know how likely it is.

He would have to rebuild himself completely likely without anyone to lean on. He isn't given much oppotunity.

[nthspecialll]

Remember when Jack went back in time and saved the gang

Remember?

REMEMBER WHEN THAT HAPPENED!?

RIGHT!? IT HAPPENED RIGHT!?

YEAH YEAH OFC OFC, THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER.

[nthspecialll]

Hello once again😌

In rdr2 Hosea talks about how he tried to escape the outlaw life with Bessie but it caught up to him. Arthur states that he doesn't remember but I'm quite sure that Dutch remembers. Do you think that Dutch was a little pissed at that point? Like when John focused on his family?

Thank you for always answering my asks btw🥳

I actually don't think that Dutch cared that much no, because as Arthur says "things were different back then, a lot looser" not only that but Dutch was different too. We have evidence showing that Dutch was the more relaxed person back then most likely because stress hadn't gotten to him by then, and neither had the law.

Back then it also was about doing good, like taking money from the rich and giving to the poor, and "good" for Hosea would have been going away and it wasn't like Dutch would never see him again. Since the law wasn't on their asses, Dutch could have gone and visited Hosea like Arthur had visited Mary or Eliza.

I don't think Dutch was pissed, I think it was looser back then and accepted.

[nthspecialll]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

You

You probably think Jack is not Javiers son

Oooooohhhh when I get my hands on you I'm gonna

Pat you on the back for being correct

Correct! I think that Jack is John's, I think that it wouldn't make sense for John's arc if Jack ended up in fact not being John's, that would kind of ruin everything. There is also the fact that in rdr1 Jack can get mistaken for John up to 10 times, which you don't just do unless there actually is a resembelence.

Fun fact, the theory that Jack isn't John's is Rob's least favourite theory, he has talked about it a few times in interviews.

Either way, here is a clip of Rob and Sloyer joking about Jack back in 2019 because it is funny.

(The bickering stats at about -0,24)

[nthspecialll]

do you think many members of dutch’s gang were religious? was dutch even religious?

There are some characters that we cant tell other than "oh they grew up in this place in this age" but there are also some where we know their religions! I am quickly going to go over them but HeavenlyMorals made a really good post on this which I recommend looking at!

Dutch is not a catholic, he verbally talks about his dislikes for them, meaning he probably grew up protestant, however he does act more in romantisism, which is based on the relationship between man, god and nature.

Hosea is protestant. He talks about wanting to become a priest however he gave up on it because he needed to be a catholic and he wasn't fond of that idea. He talks about heaven and salvation and about his relationship with god being rocky due to Bessie's death.

Arthur is agnostic. He is open to the idea of faith, talking about whether or not he can get salvation however he tells the nun he does not believe in anything at all. That said, he dislikes the church but not the people. He doesnt really care what people believe in, he respects it, but he hates how the church takes and takes.

John is a non-practicing christian. He makes reference to god, like marrying Abigail in front of her, Dutch not being saved and so on, but he is rather passive when it comes to religion itself and is rather realistic.

Abigail is a praciticing Christian. She asks Jack to read verses for her.

Sean is likely cultual catholic. He talks about being a Child Of God, and is proud of his irish heritage which is known for catholis.

Javier is too cultural catholic. He doesn't speak of it but he makes the cross sign.

Molly is probably a protestant due to her troubles with Sean.

Micah is atheist. He uses himself as a god, he bullies Swanson for being religious and talks it down.

Sadie is christian, though not practicing. She mentions god as a force but doesn't practice.

Swanson is protestant, though he has swayed a little. He talks about how "maybe catholics are right" when he is completely down and doubting in chapter 2.

These are very shortly explaining, but I REALLY recommend the post above!!

[nthspecialll]

I want to hear your take on why Hosea doesn’t have his own tent

I personally believe it is due to the fact he does not want one.

Dutch has his own room, the best one with privacy, luxoury and all, he is living better than any of the others due to being the leader, but he has also distanced himself from the very people he claims to understand and be part of.

John and Arthur also has their own livings, but they aren't living luxuriously. John just has privacy and Arthur has a place for his stuff, but they are still metaphorically down in the grime with the rest of the gang, also because they take part in the hard work.

I think Hosea does not want to become raised above the rest of the gang like Dutch is, I think he wants to be part of them, he wants to be around them and be seen as one of them. And as for privacy or a place for his things to lay, I think he wouldn't mind them, but he wants others to have them first.

In chapter four Hosea has a room, but notice how the girls does to. I believe that before he got a room, he wanted them to have one, the boys can handle living outside, but the girls, he adores them and he wants them to have "luxury" before he does.

[nthspecialll]

similar to the other ask, whats the best and worst traits of sean macguire?

In an interview Ben Davis (Dutch's actor) mentioned that there were two characters crutial to the continuation of the Van Der Linde gang after him and Hosea were gone, one of those were Lenny and the other was Sean. While he didn't elaborate on Sean, I believe I know what he meant and looking into that will reveal both his worst and best feature.

Sean is being raised like Arthur was.

A few times Sean gets refered to as a young Arthur, reckless but smart, and those are the two features we will be talking about.

Unlike what a lot of people believe, Sean is not dumb, far from it actually. He knew that the guard job was a trap even when Dutch, Micah, Bill and Lenny did not. He planned the burning of the Gray's fields based on little knowledge and the robberies he planned ended okay.

Similarly to Arthur, the fact he is smart but able to hide it, and thus leading people to underestimate him, is his best trait. However his worst trait often gets in the way, a trait we know Arthur had as well but with years was able to get free from.

He is very eager, quite reckless and improvises a lot.

Sean wants to work, he wants to prove himself and he wants to get as much out of a job as he can. He is intelligent, but his want to do as much as he can will win in the battle.

In a camp interaction between Javier, Bill and Sean, we hear Bill and Javier talk of a job they had which went well, Sean asks them to bring him next time, Javier answers "I would rather not die."

In Pouring Forth The Oil he wasn't even meant to be there, he asked, was told no and then showed up either way. We are also told he isn't quite good at ending fights, but rather starting them, also hinting at his impulsiveness.

He gets knocked out twice, he gets Mary-Beth captured, he gets captured himself by the bounty hinters and so on. Sometimes it works out, like with the burning of the Gray's where he got the payroll though it was not the plan.

The biggest difference between dumb and impulsive in this case is that the plans he had in the start were good, they could work, however midway through he abanonded them to do something else because he decided that he could do better.

If he had had the time he would have been able to abandon his impulsiveness, however he did not get that chance.

I hope that it makes sense, I feel I didn't explain it very well, but I hope it answered the question! I yapped about it to my dad on the way home from matrial arts and I think he was regretting buying me red dead.

[nthspecialll]

this might be a stupid question, but why when you go into dead eye as either Arthur or John you can hear a clock ticking or a heartbeat in the background? does every person that uses deadeye have a personal sound in the background?

Dead Eye to me is a display of their skill and concentration, which is also why when it gets low you can see them kind of uncomfortable and when you allow them to take a drink or a smoke they are back on track, because ya know they were allowed to rest a little and take their mind off things.

This leads to the sound, I did not come up with this, but rather read it on a redit thread some time back, but one person said that Arthur hears a ticking clock because he is experienced, he is old and he knows that when fighting every second matters. He knows that every second that he is in that fight he is at the risk of being killed, thus he hears a clock ticking down, he knows he needs to end it as fast as possible.

Then we have John, he has a heartbeat in rdr2 but not in rdr1. The thread I read talked about how John in rdr2 has a heartbeat because he is young and he has adrenalin running through his body when he is out fighting. He is fast and he is excited, and I think it fits when you then in rdr1 don't have it (from what I could hear) and he has gained knowledge and he doesn't find it as exciting anymore, it is a task, a chore almost.

[nthspecialll]

What do you think happened to Taima in the time between chapter 6 and the epilogue? Charles evidently cared for her a lot, it’s sad to imagine him being forced to part with her.

I am going to be honest, she probably died. I don't know exactly how but as you said, he loved her a lot and wouldn't exactly give her up easily, and even so her dying just makes the most sense.

Charles had to travel all the way up to Canada and back which is a very rough journey not just on the rider but the horse as well, a lot of things can go wrong so fast and it is just how it is.

The journey is often days of constant moving, which Taima was not used to for at least six months when being with the gang. I don't doubt she is in shape, but it is a whole different kind of shape needed for this kind of travel. Even if you care a lot for your horse, that kind of upkeep can be hard.

The terrain isn't always flat and easy to cross, and one wrong slip means a broken bone or a horse going lame. While you could help a horse that is lame normally, if you are on the move it can be hard because the horse is literally hurting at any step. This could mean he would have had to put her down, if she broke a bone there would be nothing to do but put her down.

She could have died at old age, we don't know her age so it could be.

A lot of things could have happened, but overall she is likely dead.