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remember kim dokja's bully song minwoo? yeah, that guy... must be wild for kim dokja to find out that his bully from more than ten years ago had resorted to cannibalism in the apocalypse to exert his alpha male dominance and unleash his inner furry when the society as they knew it collapsed. if i was in kim dokja's shoes, the moment i found out that my former bully did just what song minwoo did, i would have had a eurika moment and would scream my word vomit- because that must've have explained a lot of things. my tormentor, you must have a lot of confusion in you, huh? instead of terrorizing 4chan and tumblr in the ye ole year of '06 & '07 with your fursona, you terrorized me instead. and then, punch him in the face.
#tbf kdj did punch smw#tho ig the fourth wall is such an op skill to stop kdj from making this exact realization and further erode his mentality#not that kdj have any#kim dokja#song minwoo#omniscient reader's viewpoint#orv#omniscient reader
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tbh I'm so happy there is no explicit romance in orv (minus the brief stuff that happens with jhw and lhs) and because of that I feel like I've been able to appreciate kdj in such a profound way as a character
like sure i like joongdok and yoohankim but to me at least kdj has this level of asexuality to him that I don't usually associate him with anyone that romantically. And their relationships are still as complex and has such a great depth that they are like THE foundest of families and I can return to the kim dokja company at the end of the day as all of them being my comfort characters. you know that saying like 'i love you so much i'd make the world burn for you'? it's meant to be this dramatic line about how much you love someone (romantically), but kdj's company fully encapsulates this in a platonic way that just isn't cringey or anything like that
they are all so platonic but they love each other to such an unconditional way that they ALL decide to relive through all the scenarios again in the hope of finding kim dokja again. and later, they all help to write and spread a story - stories, the thing the reader loves - again, in hopes of bringing kdj back home. they aren't sure if it'll work, but it is through this love they all have that they don't give up and put their hope in this seemingly impossible method
and this is also what makes them fundamentally different from kdj. unlike kim dokja in the apocalypse, they do not have any sort of proof their methods will work. kdj has twsa - the novel he grew up reading, the novel he fantasized living in, the novel that he's spent 13 years following, learning every nook and cranny and probably even planning out his own way to survive the apocalypse from this lengthy novel. he has some sort of assurance his methods will work, with the amount of time hsy put into describing the settings (remember that twsa was not popular and one of the complaints was that tls123 put too much emphasis on the settings that deterred people from reading it, when really, that too was a way to ensure kdj survived the apocalypse later on). he has had time to reassure himself and plan for it, and probably had yjh case test them all
but kdj's company had no assurance - they did not grow up with a book that confirmed their methods of bringing kdj back would work. they did not have any 'third plans', no 'ressurections', no 'restarts', that kdj had in the apocalypse. all they had was their own hope - something kdj didn't have when he was fifteen sitting in that hospital bed after that failed suicide attempt, feeling like the whole world was against him. Until he searched up those three words on his phone. Those three words that were probably 'Ways of Survival'.
And then he found his hope in twsa. he found his hope in yjh, the protagonist made just for him. he found hope in the story that he believed in for the next thirteen years. the story that got him through high school, the CSATs, the military. his hope was in this tangible book that carried him through the apocalypse.
kdj's company had none of that. they only had their hope in kim dokja - the man they survived the scenarios with. they could only put their hope in their memories of surviving with the man that saved them, even though there was no evidence he lived in their world anymore. they had to put their hope in the fact that they remembered he existed, even though they had to acknowledge that they didn't know everything about him.
sing shong touches upon this idea a lot throughout orv - does something really exist if no one knows about it? or, in a more modern saying, did a fallen tree in a forest really fall if no one heard it? what proves the existence of something? what proves that something truly happened? sing shong seems to make it pretty clear that the existence of something can be represented metaphorically like a 'story', and stories need a 'reader', some sort of spectator that witnesses it, for the 'story' to exist.
for kim dokja, his final sacrifice, where he split into infinite little pieces scattered across the universe, was to ensure that everything existed. that open ending, as tragic as it was, was meant to be comforting. that his sacrifice was supposed to be so existences like you and me, are real. no matter how lonely we may feel throughout our lives, a metaphorical 'kim dokja' is looking at our own stories, spectating our own stories, even living our own lives himself.
and what i hate to say sometimes is that kim dokja is not really a character - he is an idea. he is an idea of some being affirming our lives, that it's real, that what we do from day to day, even something as simple as getting up in the mornings and brushing your teeth, or thumbing through a store catalog, matters. and this is why kim dokja sacrificed himself. for all the stories that may have not 'existed' if no one was watching it.
and it's out of love. this tragic, terrible love for the world, that eats away at yourself until you are nothing. but at least you exist.
#and this is why i say i like not having any sort of romantic relationships in orv with kim dokja#by the end of the novel i don't see him as a character anymore#but instead this idea that sing shong wants to leave with us that took 551 chapters to come to fruition#that we are loved.#that we are loved to a higher degree than the love of a whole group of people#who loved a man enough to willingly live through the end of the world to meet him again#and if that is not something to chew on then I don't know what is#pov you write a whole essay on kim dokja again#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#orv spoilers#kdj#kim dokja#yjh#yoo jonghyuk#hsy#han sooyoung#jung heewon#lee hyunsung#lee gilyoung#shin yoosung#lee jihye#yoo sangah#tbh at some point during this i forgot what I even started typing about lol#my ramblings
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I can't believe it's practically implied by canon that Yoo Joonghyuk is Kim Dokja's everything (brother, friend, confidant and lowkey soulmate figure all in one person) and he idolizes/likes the man so much that his brain can't comprehend the possibility of said feeling being mutual
#orv#imho it's just so tragic#KDJ can conceptualize and understand#that the other Kimcom's members care about him too#but YJH? Nah this man must only see KDJ as a coworker he barely tolerates#yes it's partially bcs of YJH's tendency to speak through actions rather than words#but it doesn't make it any less bittersweet#sorry I just read ORV and now I'm having feelings#joongdok
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omg i just finished orv im going insane im im i can finally look at that doc of things i saved for after i finished orv and can look at spoilers...i can finally unblock that orv spoiler tag...im so normal about orv
#orv#orv novel spoilers#orv spoilers#bluris rambles#ok stop cause i was literally holding my goddamn breath for like. all the epilogues cause holy shit man holy shit#i was like if singnsong ends orv and doesnt give me any hope that the companions can someday get back not just part of kdj but all of him-#-i will fucking cry bc oh my god#but its ok im ok but also#when i couldnt scroll to the next page...#im#HRJKWANLFJK#also i had such a weird way of reading it. its been like 4 years since i technically started#but i stopped reading it a while back bc life happens rip#i wonder what it would have been like if i had finished the remainding 9% i originally had but just without any of the context i remembered#and then did the full reread#bc i reread only 91% of it technically speaking#i feel like i should reread the last 9% tbh hm#anyways wow it took me 6 months huh#im a slow reader xD#to be fair i was also reading other things#idk what im gonna do without orv as my fallback bc it was always there for me to read even when i finished other books along the way#mayhaps start a new novel whats that one with cale in it#oh yeah i gotta catch up on the webtoon that too#gotta reread tower of god too thats been on my list for way too long...#insert that meme where its like unfollow me right now bc im gonna be so unwell about orv sorry guys but also not sorry bc i finally finally#finished it#am gonna get me merch im so excited#also praying that all the links on that doc i made with buncha stuff like blogs to check out still work oop wish me luck#waht do you fucking mean hsy wrote the novel for kdj and she gave him a reason to live and yjh was created by her but also nr and also-#-kdj is oldest dream and oh my godddd oh my god and yjh going on that trip to spread the story and meeting biyoo along the way
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I thought you kin kdj?
anon i hope this is a joke cause if this is a genuine question it is the singlemost scathing read i have ever recieved in my life 👏 bravo
#I WANT YOU TO KNOW IM LAUGHING THIS IS FUNNY REGARDLESS OF WHATEHR UR SERIOUS#not laughing At You tbc just the situation generally. genuinely not mad fhdkfdk#to answer ur question: no i dont bc i stopped kinning a bit before reading orv so the stars did not align#i think the me from when i used to kin definitely wouldve tho if thats any consolation#but yeah everyone i AM being truthful whenever i say i dont kin kdj#its just REALLY funny how much overlap there happens to be thats all#THIS HAS SURPASSED THE PERSON WHO TAGGED MY POST THINKING I WAS A KDJ ROLEPLAYER BTW. WHICH IS A HIGH BAR#inbox#EDIT: FRIEND HAS JUST NOTIFIED ME THERES A POST ON HERE WHERE I SAID I DID IN FACT KIN KDJ??? I DO NOT REMEMBER THIS. GENUINELY.#ANON YOU ARE JUSTIFIED SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION I HAVE DISSOCIATION AND MEMORY ISSUES LMAO??? whoever made that post was wilding#me the one typing this has no memories of kinning kdj so uh. SHRUG??? i wasnt lying on purpose at least#.....DO YOU SEE WHY THERES OVERLAP. THERES A REASON THE NUMBER 49 HAUNTS ME#edit2/update: they apparently distinctly remember me saying it in the tags of a post but nEITHER OF US CAN FIND IT#what is happening...hello....is anyone out there....#*knocks on my own skull* hello?? anyone home?! WHO DID THIS 🤣😭#EDIT/UPDATE 3: I FUCKING FOUND IT its from nearly 4 years ago holy shit#still dont remember posting that at all
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i see people thinking that the side story is the bad ending for kim dokja. and don't get me wrong, he doesn't come back after the door opens, but that is because kimcom CHOSE that.
they had the option to open a door where kim dokja woke up, but they chose to go through the door where he doesn't wake up because they know that first door is a trap (like 49/51), and they want all of kim dokja. and when they go through, kim dokja is gone, but he's left a note. he is STILL OUT THERE (and part of him is with lhh right now. it's complicated)
anyway this is just to say KIM DOKJA IS BACK IN THE SIDE STORY. he is just not with kimcom *yet*. i need to make this clear because i keep seeing people saying things that sound like people think he's gone for real in the side story.
#orv#and even then. i don't think it's possible for kimcom to get '100%' of kim dokja#what even is 100% of kim dokja? what is 100% of a person?#you forget things. does that mean you're not 100% of yourself anymore?#do they need to kill the reincarnated fragments to pick up those story fragments left with him? do YOU need to die to bring back kdj?#look at my url for the reason why i am passionate about this subject. i like the side story and where it's going with this#feel free to send an ask about anything i will answer and clear any possible misinfo you got#especially from tiktok i hate that place#i'm not forcing you to read it but just. give it a chance if you are curious even a little#it's cheap. vapolunes on twitter has season 1. i have season 1 + over half of season 2 translated. i can send you a guide for purchasing#please please dont use the wattpad tl its actually worse than mtling it yourself#orv side story#orv spoilers#side story spoilers
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Can someone please explain what is this
#orv#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kdj#yjh#kim dojka#yoo joonghyuk#who decided this#what the hell is the prophet#where is the height difference#I didn't have any expectations#but this is lower than I thought#mom come pick me up i'm scared#I don't know if I wanna see the live action if this is the prelude
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thinking about gsgw crossovers. i'm going insane. now i'm trying to logically analyze how kdj would get off the gsgw train, because now that i'm THINKING about it, i'm not actually sure how good his logic puzzle skills are. he absolutely does come up with out of the box solutions, but they're primarily based on exact answers that wos gives him -- which you do not have when escaping the gsgw train. on the spot, i'm not sure if he could come up with the answer kse does.
...ah. i'm dumb, i forgot.
this guy probably wouldn't come up with answers on the spot. if his obsession actually is dark solutions records, he would just obsessively spend ten years trying to figure out the proper route through a scenario and use THAT.
#like initially i thought he'd fall on his face#but with further thought i think he's probably pretty okay with this one#if i remember how kdj works correctly... he'd be interested only if he could follow 'a protagonist'#so i imagine he'd be intimately familiar with the records of a successful and named employee#which does sound like a problem because i believe named employees weren't specified in this scenario#except i'm pretty sure he's one of those guys who are like “how would my protagonist handle this?”#and even if he didn't do that for ALL of the scenarios... he probably would have done it for this one#any daydream inc protagonist he followed would by definition have to pass 'probation'#so i think he'd definitely consider any darkness that could possibly be a probationary one#'how did my protagonist become an employee' and thoughts like that#i'm really going insane#it's been a while since i've considered kdj in this much detail#why is it for a completely different fandom
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Wait a second.
Dokja's still wearing his new face at the Gourmet Association banquet? Is it permanent?
Oh.
Oh Dokja.
I know the novel (or rather, Dokja) always plays it off as being a bit silly, but man you can see that the constant ugly comments are getting to him.
It was a little uncomfortable when nobody in the Industrial Complex even knew what Joonghyuk looked like and thus wouldn't call him out on "you're not as good looking as Yoo Joonghyuk" (rude) but Dokja still felt the need to change his face because "shouldn't I be handsome to be a revolutionary?" but that could still be played off as a precaution specifically because he's been called out before and also the guy was literally leaking stories so one more added onto him wasn't necessarily a bad thing.
But the fact that he's literally just made it his new face?
Oh Dokja.
I looked in the mirror and smiled with satisfaction. 「 Kim Dokja thought: It isn't better than Yoo Joonghyuk but isn't this decent? 」 Then Aileen finished the procedure and muttered, "It seems a bit better. Well, I don't know. Why is the impression so fuzzy…?" …I guess it was fine. My nose was slightly higher and my cheeks more taut… [Chapter 201]
"Isn't this decent." Was your original face not decent? 😭 And that's not even getting into the fact that he considers himself so ugly that "decent" is enough to satisfy him. 😭
Ugh and he's at least happy about his new looks (even though you don't need them Dokja!) and he's immediately shot down again and his satisfaction morphs to "well I guess it's fine." 😭
People remembered my outfit and cheered. I felt a bit sad that no one realized I had changed my face. [Chapter 201]
He was looking forward to people to finally say something nice about his looks. 😭
Man, we've come such a long way from the guy who read "Yoo Joonghyuk is devastatingly handsome" and thought "well I can probably get away with playing Yoo Joonghyuk."
It has been a cruel, cruel path downward.
I had never been interested in what I looked like since I graduated from high school. Then I thought about the reactions of the prophets when I pretended to be Yoo Joonghyuk and it seemed that I was ugly. I didn't think I was ugly when I took occasional selfies in the bathroom. [Chapter 97]
#I didn't originally comment on any of the casanova story stuff since I was already liveblogging about so many other things#(I don't want to just FLOOD the orv tag)#but ugh I can't not say something about them now that Dokja's still wandering around with that story attached#I think Dokja's self consciousness about his looks is honestly one of the most painful ongoing story points#his looks were one of the few things he WASN'T bothered by back when he was being horribly bullied and having a terrible home and work life#and now he doesn't even have that anymore 😭#orv#orv spoilers#orv liveblog#orv novel chapter 236 (and 201 and 97)#omniscient reader's viewpoint#kdj
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#if i dont hear news about the side stories mentioning the pocketwatch within idk the next 10yrs i dont know what id do#even one line just one 1☝️singular idcidc#i remember first time i read the epilogues the complete absence of that pocketwatch drove me crazy i still think about it a lot#bc chances are kdj kept it in the train long enough for kimcom to pick it up in 65 there’s no way they dont have it …#literally at any and every point in the epilogues was The Perfect Time to bring it up#from the cookout to the Clock the museum the hospital EVEN IN SPACE…..#singshong singshong can u hear me#oits szo darck in ehere#solar-talks
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ok i might be talking complete nonsense here, but. the Strict Order as a metaphor for an author facing writer's block.
"the Strict Order abandoned the world," yeah if i wrote a sweet potato story where the main character just keeps suffering with no sign of resolution, i'd drop the story too (<- has actually done this with a tesilid fanfic orz)
"The world rejected the Strict Order's abandonment, so to keep the world going the Strict Order made Tesilid keep rewinding time." That's just like when you get stuck at a certain point in the plot and keep rewriting the events leading up to that moment to try to make it work. nods sagely i understand. i too make my OCs go through scenarios lots of times until we get it right. sometimes it takes months. sometimes it never works.
"The saintess only exists in timeline ~86," oh yes, the classic 'idk how to solve this problem so i'll introduce a new character' trick. i'm familiar
"okay but if time looping is the Strict Order rewriting the story, then why can Tesilid remember it" because the author already wrote those scenes and it'll be sad to throw them all out. and also it's a cool gimmick to have a regressor story. (<- has drastically changed the premise and worldbuilding of a story just to make an alternate timeline relevant before)
"what about ailette's existence--" same as muriel, where you insert a new character in hopes of solving a plot problem. except this time the characters write the plot themselves, because just this once you give priority to their character traits & goals rather than where you thought you wanted the plot to go. (tesilid has someone he can be himself around and who can do certain things on his behalf, instead of being fully constrained by his obligations. ailette gets insane buffs instead of being restricted by the world's difficulty.) therefore the chars now have more agency and are not only solving problems, but also taking the story in a direction you never would have thought of before. (whatever the hell tesilid and ailette are cooking rn, separately, which is surely going to result in interesting developments later on)
tldr; the strict order as a metaphor for an author who hit writer's block. their friend World Shaper inserts their OC Ailette in and their writing style is to let the characters run away with the plot. it works. world shaper and all their friends are co-writers working on the story together and reacting to it in real time.
#s-class heroine spoilers#if the themes of this story are actually orv-esque in that it becomes meta about the writer-reader-char relationship#then my mind will actually be very blown#like im extrapolating a lot here#im only able to make these comparisons bc orv changed the way i read fiction forever#anw no one tell me if i got it right i legit have not read any spoilers#im at mirror dungeon now#wait maybe im onto something#the timelines being linear and not recursive (ie. reed does not have his own ailette) makes sense as well bc with this timeline#the story has finally reached its end and the authors can put down their pens#no more writing no more regressing in order to get scenarios right#like SPOILERS FOR ORV SPOILERS FOR ORV SPOILERS FOR ORV MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ORV#LIKE RLY MAJOR SPOILERS FOR ORV IM SO SERIOUS#like for orv it makes sense that the timeloops are recursive#because YOU are kim dokja#the story keeps being written bc the kimcom want kdj back#there is no world where the regressions wont occur bc yhk want each other to be happy#and they will keep the timeloop going if thats what it takes to keep the other alive#yhs dooms the world with her pen (keyboard) because she wants that teenager to live#because she realised he will type 'how to survive' and she wants him to survive no matter how cringe he is#no matter how ruined the world he will be living in would be#woah.... fuck orv (positive)
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posts about kim dokja kinnie antics are always funny as hell but they never really stick with me because i simply cannot picture anyone in orv knowing the word "kinnie" other than lee jihye and uriel.
#important to note: kim dokja IS effectively a kinnie i just dont think he'd have any clue wtf that means#he would have no awareness of any online kin antics or spaces or terminology. none zip zero zilch#now. jihye and uriel on the other hand. lmao. i just Know they do i can Sense it#they are responsible for any other characters who may know the word#like. jihye hears about kdj wearing a yjh face mask and goes 'wow kinnie much? lol' and everyones like ???#but just figures its some sort of teen insult these days and moves on#MAYBE kdj googled 'how to become a character' once as a kid#not because he thought it was possible but because he was sleep deprived and dissociating or something#but all the results were about like. Cosplay. lmao#beso babbles#orv
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my current favoured ships for lee hakhyun being lhh/jhw and lhh/yjh... bisexual king
#heavily biased for lhh/jhw they have this chemistry that makes me insane.#i would have liked kdj/jhw too if kdj wasn't so obsessed with another man#what would the ship name be anyway. heehak?#as for lhh/yjh. they have barely interacted so far but i can see things... the villain who hates you suddenly starts acting WEIRD#and lhh just trying to stick with yjh to survive ;;;;;#i am a multishipper though so i will take anything#any blorbo content. i am begging orz#orv#orv side story#orv spoilers
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what’s your niche sub-genre of ao3 fic that doesn’t get enough attention— mine is witches & familiars
#like with andrew and neil being eachothers witch/familiar and they have that unique bong#drives me insane and theres almost no fics about it#aftg#all for the game#all for the gay#tfc#the foxhole court#orv#omniscient readers viewpoint#bungou stray dogs#mlb#the raven cycle#bllk#blue lock#neil josten#andrew minyard#andreil#yjh#kdj#also I read a fic of them at a masquerade ball that was literally so good and it made me search for any other masquerade fics of them and#there were so few#alo now that im thinking about it ill have too look up kdj and yjh withc/familiar fics bc that would be so good I bet#OH MY GOD WAIT THERE WAS ONE FIC THAT WAS SO INTERESTJNG ABOUT THEM BUT I CANT REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS OF IT#well anywhos.#txt
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Not mine blorbo but someone's blorbos

We ---as in the KimCom, Uriel, Han Sooyoung, Yoo Jonghyuk, his adopted parents, the reader--- are in fact worry
This request was sent to us and we made a poll in response to it. Send any Blorbo-related question you want to our inbox and we’ll make a poll on which people can vote with their own Blorbos in minds
#comfort character#that need to be comfort#he need to be restrain#dont let this squid have any idea#it never end up with him not dying#his companions need therapy#we all are need therapy#kim dokja#yoo joonghyuk#han sooyoung#orv#orv kdj
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ok so i WOULD draw band au yoohankim except i cant imagine any of them as a vocalist so uhhhhh?????
#orv mumbles#<- finally getting a tag for it LMAO#finished a school concert yesterday (i was doing lighting design/op) so i have band aus on the brain#the vision: kdj keyboard yjh drums hsy guitar#but i can't see any of them singing???#hsy MAYBE. maybe#i know by protagonist logic yjh probably could sing but a. i don't see it b. he wouldn't be vocals in a band tho...#that's more. idol au vibe#i would probably still draw it cuz sexy#just put it in the queue with all the orv art ideas i don't have time for 💀
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