#not gonna say anything either way on bill's sexuality because im very hesitant to call the nonhuman evil guy aro and/or ace.

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

Even though I post shitty/funny billford memes, this explains perfectly what I think their relationship was like pre betrayal

As someone who is aspec myself, I love the idea of aroacespec Ford within the context of billford. *Especially* Ford grappling with a lifetime of bafflement about romantic and sexual attraction, and then feeling *some* kind of powerful emotion about Bill and getting excited about it like “this is it! This is the attraction thing that everyone always talks about! I’m finally experiencing it for someone, I’m doing ‘humaning’ correctly!!!” and maybe he’s correctly identified it, or maybe its something else, such as queerplatonic attraction, or scientific fascination, but either way, feeling something like this for someone for the first time that feels more genuine than any of his attempts to feel heteronormative love in the past for an *eldritch god* is a whole other thing for him to grapple with, like, the internal confusion of “Why am I feeling this for the first time for a non-human entity? Does that cancel out the increased normalcy of me feeling This Kind of Love? Does it outweigh feeling Love and make me even weirder??”

And maybe, with any luck, this could end with Ford realizing that it *doesn’t matter* what kind of love and/or affection and interest he and Bill have towards eachother, and it doesn’t matter how much he conforms to society’s ideals for what a human being “should be like.” It doesn’t *have* to be romantic for them to want to be together from now til the end of time. And even if sometimes their relationship might seem like it crosses into romantic and/or sexual territory, *they’re* the ones who get to define it, and the multiverse is the limit. They don’t *need* to confine the way they see their love for eachother to the human definitions and expectations for how people should feel and act within a long term relationship. And if humanity thinks that makes Ford less human, well, he doesn’t fucking care, because what has the seemingly-always-just-out-of-reach ideal of “being human” that society has pushed upon him ever done for him except make him feel intensely isolated and unworthy? It doesn’t matter if society hands him the title of “human” that they’ve cruelly dangled over his head his whole life or not. He is living the life he wants to lead, in the company of the person he cares for most, and that is all that truly matters.

[godsfavoritescientist]

As someone who is aspec myself, I love the idea of aroacespec Ford within the context of billford. *Especially* Ford grappling with a lifetime of bafflement about romantic and sexual attraction, and then feeling *some* kind of powerful emotion about Bill and getting excited about it like "this is it! This is the attraction thing that everyone always talks about! I'm finally experiencing it for someone, I'm doing 'humaning' correctly!!!" and maybe he's correctly identified it, or maybe its something else, such as queerplatonic attraction, or scientific fascination, but either way, feeling something like this for someone for the first time that feels more genuine than any of his attempts to feel heteronormative love in the past for an *eldritch god* is a whole other thing for him to grapple with, like, the internal confusion of "Why am I feeling this for the first time for a non-human entity? Does that cancel out the increased normalcy of me feeling This Kind of Love? Does it outweigh feeling Love and make me even weirder??"

And maybe, with any luck, this could end with Ford realizing that it *doesn't matter* what kind of love and/or affection and interest he and Bill have towards eachother, and it doesn't matter how much he conforms to society's ideals for what a human being "should be like." It doesn't *have* to be romantic for them to want to be together from now til the end of time. And even if sometimes their relationship might seem like it crosses into romantic and/or sexual territory, *they're* the ones who get to define it, and the multiverse is the limit. They don't *need* to confine the way they see their love for eachother to the human definitions and expectations for how people should feel and act within a long term relationship. And if humanity thinks that makes Ford less human, well, he doesn't fucking care, because what has the seemingly-always-just-out-of-reach ideal of "being human" that society has pushed upon him ever done for him except make him feel intensely isolated and unworthy? It doesn't matter if society hands him the title of "human" that they've cruelly dangled over his head his whole life or not. He is living the life he wants to lead, in the company of the person he cares for most, and that is all that truly matters.

[amaltheafan]

 AROACE BILLFORD NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING EITHER WAY ON BILL'S SEXUALITY BECAUSE IM VERY HESITANT TO CALL THE NONHUMAN EVIL GUY ARO AND/OR ACE. AND BILLS SEXUALITY DOESNT MATTER HERE. YOU DONT NEED TO DEFINE IT IN ORDER TO SAY 'BILL ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH FORD' FORD REALLY TRULY DOES NOT CARE IF BILL IS 'CAPABLE OF LOVE' OR WHATEVER AMATONORMATIVE SOCIETY IS SO OBSESSED WITH WHY DOES IT MATTER IF BILL IS 'CAPABLE OF LOVE.' WHY DOES IT FEEL LIKE THAT'S SOMETIMES BROUGHT UP AS PROOF THAT HE IS 'MORE EVIL' THE FUCKED UP THINGS THAT BILL DOES ARE WHAT MAKE HIM EVIL IN CANON. NOT WHATEVER PEOPLE THINK HE CAN OR CANT FEEL. IT FEELS LIKE THROWING FORD UNDER THE BUS WHEN PEOPLE SAY 'BILL ISNT CAPABLE OF LOVE' TBHBECAUSE WONDERING IF ONESELF IS 'CAPABLE OF LOVE' IN THE AMATONORMATIVE SENSE IS SUCH AN ASPEC EXPERIENCE AND TBH? HAVING AN INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH A BEING THAT ISNT SURE IF HE'S CAPABLE OF LOVE SOUNDS GREAT! FORD CAN BE WITH BILL WITHOUT WORRYING IF HE'S LOVING BILL 'THE RIGHT WAY' OR 'ENOUGH FOR BILL TO BE HAPPY' OR WHATEVER HE CAN JUST BE. AND HE CAN TRUST THAT BILL IS PERFECTLY OKAY WITH LITERALLY ANY REASONS FORD HAS FOR WANTING TO BE WIFH HIM HE DOESNT HAVE TO TRY AND PINPOINT WHAT KIND OF FEELINGS HE HAS FOR BILL BECAUSE IT DOESNT MATTER TO BILL AND THAT IS SUCH A RELIEF FOR FORDOF COURSE ALL OF THIS IS IGNORING THE FACT THAT BILL WAS ONLY EVER USING FORD AS A TOOL TO GET WHAT HE WANTS BUT IM TALKING ABOUT PREBETRAYAL FORDS PERSPECTIVE! THESE ARE HIS THOUGHTS BASED ON THE INFO HE HAD AT THE TIME! ITS STILL VERY MEANINGFUL FOR FORD! BILL BETRAYED HIM BUT THAT DOESNT ERASE THE WAY FORD FELT PREBETRAYAL SOMEONE TURNING OUT TO BE A LIAR DOESNT COMPLETELY UNDO THE THINGS THEY MADE YOU REALIZE ABOUT YOURSELF WHILE YOU WERE TOGETHER WHICH ALSO REALLY COMPLICATES FORDS FEELINGS POST BETRAYAL. HE CANT COMPLETELY DISMISS EVERYTHING. OTHERWISE HE WOULD BE DISMISSING THE GOOD REALIZATIONS HE HAD ABOUT HIMSELF TOO.

As someone who is aspec myself, I love the idea of aroacespec Ford within the context of billford. *Especially* Ford grappling with a lifetime of bafflement about romantic and sexual attraction, and then feeling *some* kind of powerful emotion about Bill and getting excited about it like “this is it! This is the attraction thing that everyone always talks about! I’m finally experiencing it for someone, I’m doing ‘humaning’ correctly!!!” and maybe he’s correctly identified it, or maybe its something else, such as queerplatonic attraction, or scientific fascination, but either way, feeling something like this for someone for the first time that feels more genuine than any of his attempts to feel heteronormative love in the past for an *eldritch god* is a whole other thing for him to grapple with, like, the internal confusion of “Why am I feeling this for the first time for a non-human entity? Does that cancel out the increased normalcy of me feeling This Kind of Love? Does it outweigh feeling Love and make me even weirder??”

And maybe, with any luck, this could end with Ford realizing that it *doesn’t matter* what kind of love and/or affection and interest he and Bill have towards eachother, and it doesn’t matter how much he conforms to society’s ideals for what a human being “should be like.” It doesn’t *have* to be romantic for them to want to be together from now til the end of time. And even if sometimes their relationship might seem like it crosses into romantic and/or sexual territory, *they’re* the ones who get to define it, and the multiverse is the limit. They don’t *need* to confine the way they see their love for eachother to the human definitions and expectations for how people should feel and act within a long term relationship. And if humanity thinks that makes Ford less human, well, he doesn’t fucking care, because what has the seemingly-always-just-out-of-reach ideal of “being human” that society has pushed upon him ever done for him except make him feel intensely isolated and unworthy? It doesn’t matter if society hands him the title of “human” that they’ve cruelly dangled over his head his whole life or not. He is living the life he wants to lead, in the company of the person he cares for most, and that is all that truly matters.

[starlighz]

Those tags are perfect. Like really can we just stop calling the evil guys aroace? That's not what would make them evil. Aro/ace/aroace people aren't evil and we don't have to justify ourselves with the phrase "we can still feel love". We deserve respect like everyone and that is what matters

As someone who is aspec myself, I love the idea of aroacespec Ford within the context of billford. *Especially* Ford grappling with a lifetime of bafflement about romantic and sexual attraction, and then feeling *some* kind of powerful emotion about Bill and getting excited about it like “this is it! This is the attraction thing that everyone always talks about! I’m finally experiencing it for someone, I’m doing ‘humaning’ correctly!!!” and maybe he’s correctly identified it, or maybe its something else, such as queerplatonic attraction, or scientific fascination, but either way, feeling something like this for someone for the first time that feels more genuine than any of his attempts to feel heteronormative love in the past for an *eldritch god* is a whole other thing for him to grapple with, like, the internal confusion of “Why am I feeling this for the first time for a non-human entity? Does that cancel out the increased normalcy of me feeling This Kind of Love? Does it outweigh feeling Love and make me even weirder??”

And maybe, with any luck, this could end with Ford realizing that it *doesn’t matter* what kind of love and/or affection and interest he and Bill have towards eachother, and it doesn’t matter how much he conforms to society’s ideals for what a human being “should be like.” It doesn’t *have* to be romantic for them to want to be together from now til the end of time. And even if sometimes their relationship might seem like it crosses into romantic and/or sexual territory, *they’re* the ones who get to define it, and the multiverse is the limit. They don’t *need* to confine the way they see their love for eachother to the human definitions and expectations for how people should feel and act within a long term relationship. And if humanity thinks that makes Ford less human, well, he doesn’t fucking care, because what has the seemingly-always-just-out-of-reach ideal of “being human” that society has pushed upon him ever done for him except make him feel intensely isolated and unworthy? It doesn’t matter if society hands him the title of “human” that they’ve cruelly dangled over his head his whole life or not. He is living the life he wants to lead, in the company of the person he cares for most, and that is all that truly matters.

[starlighz]

Those tags are perfect. Like really can we just stop calling the evil guys aroace? That's not what would make them evil. Aro/ace/aroace people aren't evil and we don't have to justify ourselves with the phrase "we can still feel love". We deserve respect like everyone and that is what matters

As someone who is aspec myself, I love the idea of aroacespec Ford within the context of billford. *Especially* Ford grappling with a lifetime of bafflement about romantic and sexual attraction, and then feeling *some* kind of powerful emotion about Bill and getting excited about it like “this is it! This is the attraction thing that everyone always talks about! I’m finally experiencing it for someone, I’m doing ‘humaning’ correctly!!!” and maybe he’s correctly identified it, or maybe its something else, such as queerplatonic attraction, or scientific fascination, but either way, feeling something like this for someone for the first time that feels more genuine than any of his attempts to feel heteronormative love in the past for an *eldritch god* is a whole other thing for him to grapple with, like, the internal confusion of “Why am I feeling this for the first time for a non-human entity? Does that cancel out the increased normalcy of me feeling This Kind of Love? Does it outweigh feeling Love and make me even weirder??”

And maybe, with any luck, this could end with Ford realizing that it *doesn’t matter* what kind of love and/or affection and interest he and Bill have towards eachother, and it doesn’t matter how much he conforms to society’s ideals for what a human being “should be like.” It doesn’t *have* to be romantic for them to want to be together from now til the end of time. And even if sometimes their relationship might seem like it crosses into romantic and/or sexual territory, *they’re* the ones who get to define it, and the multiverse is the limit. They don’t *need* to confine the way they see their love for eachother to the human definitions and expectations for how people should feel and act within a long term relationship. And if humanity thinks that makes Ford less human, well, he doesn’t fucking care, because what has the seemingly-always-just-out-of-reach ideal of “being human” that society has pushed upon him ever done for him except make him feel intensely isolated and unworthy? It doesn’t matter if society hands him the title of “human” that they’ve cruelly dangled over his head his whole life or not. He is living the life he wants to lead, in the company of the person he cares for most, and that is all that truly matters.