#not an anti dany post but i might tag it as a precaution

[jonstarks]

You linked to an article you said was pro Jonsa. How should we look at the other parts of the article that weren't so hopeful? "Sansa has learned to be duplicitous, withholding and open to compromise." Duplicitous and withholding isn't great. And before we say "oh that was the journalist's spin", Sophie herself said Sansa withheld the info about the Vale because she wanted the glory for herself. And Kit said in your article that Sansa was a "big problem" for Jon. (part 1)

part 2: Everyone hangs on to that one quote of Kit’s about Jon manipulating people. But then we dismiss practically everything else he, Sophie, the directors, D&D and the everyone else say. I don’t think this works.

Sansa is a “BIG PROBLEM” for Jon because she challenge him, also, in the same article, Kit said that she know she is much smarter than Jon in many ways, and in behind the scene of BoB he said that Jon BIGGEST mistake that season was not listening to her, so I don’t think challenge him to be a better leader is the worst thing ever, unless you were a wimp.  

“Sansa has learned to be duplicitous, withholding and open to compromise.” The full paragraph of that sentence was: “Sansa has proven to be a wily survivor, despite repeated abuse, and even orchestrated a major battlefield victory last season. Their ways of managing challenges couldn’t be more opposite, though. Jon emerged from his harrowing experiences more straightforward and unbending than ever, whereas Sansa has learned to be duplicitous, withholding and open to compromise. first of all, I couldn’t see anything wrong about this (and no, I don’t see this as a journalist trying to spin thing, that wasn’t my style) Sansa and Jon facing their problems and cope with their past traumatic experience in a different way and I don’t see it as a negative thing, for each characters or for jonsa. After season 7 (or for me, before that) we knew that sansa would never betrayed her family, even before she team up with arya and bran, she always prioritize Jon, it was always about Jon’s army, how could she keep Jon’s people loyal to him, how to convince his people to not shifting their allegiance to her, so IF sansa learn to be duplicitous, withholding and open to compromise, she’s not going to do that behind Jon again, not after we need to trust each other scene, not after Jon blindsided her by giving her the North, a complete full trust to her, so if sansa would act “sneaky” or grey-ish, she would do it to keep Jon safe, to keep her family safe, to keep her people safe, and it’s not going to happen behind him. Sansa weren’t just a Disney character who all sweet and nice, she play the big games, she band together with her sibling to take down the biggest player, the most dangerous man in westeros, in case you still didn’t get it, she’s smart, and even with her past abusive experience, she still maintain her courtesy and her kindness, she didn’t just execute people who disagree with her, she even still show compassion when she execute LF (unlike some of other character… *coughs* dany *coughs*).

“But then we dismiss practically everything else he, Sophie, the directors, D&D and the everyone else say.” who was we in this conversation? because I didn’t just dismiss anything that cast and crew said. there are the difference between take an information and use it carefully and completely ignoring the whole truth just to fit with your opinion, what I did was using Kit interview and matched with show canon, why was that not working?  Also, I’m tired of people mentioned “cast and crew say this…there are an interview about this that make your interview invalid and bla bla bla bla” but didn’t put the link of said interview, what am I suppose to do with that? it was just the same as if some anti jonsa said that “you are delusional!” “your ship is a crackship!” but never add anything to it.  

Sophie herself said Sansa withheld the info about the Vale because she wanted the glory for herself. If you are a fan of sophie, then you would know that sophie said a lot of thing, sophie also said that if jon and sansa meshed together, they’ll rule the westeros, she also said that Jon or Sansa should sit on the IT, she also said she wants Jaime Lannister  sit on the IT and in another time she wants LF to sit on the IT, that girl said a lot of thing to confused the audience (and so does some of the cast and crew member) then how could you tell what is troll and not? BY WATCHING THE FRICKIN SHOW. Sansa said that Jon should stay in the Lord chamber and she fucking said that Jon is a Stark to her! (I don’t think there were any Stark that ever said that to him, not even ned when he said you may not have my name, but you have my blood.) Lyanna M. named Jon KitN and not Sansa, and she fricking smile until LF proof to be a threat to them, still not believe it? Then watch season 7, when all the Lords getting restless, she convinced them that Jon did his best, Jon is our King. The only time she ever mentioned about the KotV was when arya fall into LF trap and using her letter to threatened her, she mentioned how she win the battle with the KotV because she need to proof herself to arya that she loyal to the starks, and if the letter fall into the wrong person, it would not just jeopardize sansa position, but also can cost Jon’s army and men, all of them would march back if they ever find out about this (this is not my just opinion, this thing did happen in the show when sansa predict this as she called a northerners as a bloody wind vanes) Sansa’s first priority was to keep Jon’s people stay and fight for the great war, and arya (or D&D awful script) didn’t help her at all, Sansa was alone again after Jon left winterfell, she may have brienne but brienne swore to protect both of them and she afraid LF might use her to eliminate arya, so she send her to KL. Do you think protecting yourself and your family by using a fact to pointed out your loyalty to the Stark was wrong? I don’t think so. Also before that, when maester wolkan give a scroll to Jon but didn’t greet sansa, (like she was invisible) she didn’t throw a fit, like, that maester was fucking rude to her and she didn’t say anything! Do you still think her as a person who like to take credit? I think you might confuse one character with another. 

You need to be a smart audience, learn the timeline between each interview, (like: was this article referring to the event of season 6 or 7 or 8? Or what type of hype the show runner trying to boost? was that hype relevant and make sense to the story or not?) and learn to tell a difference between the real, honest interview and troll interviews, sophie once said that she wants LF to be on the IT, she

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hyping up about starkbowl, (so does Kit when he said he wants to kill sansa, but before you jump to conclusion, it was just a game and you don’t need to get your knicker twist about that) but after s7 when a LF stan come up to her and told how ungrateful sansa for killing LF her mentor and protector, sophie fiercely said that LF was nothing but an evil opportunist, he sold sansa and use her for his own gain. (if someone could put a link on sophie’s tweet about that I’ll be forever grateful) Again, you need to get your fact check before you jump to any conclusion.

One last thing, I didn’t just use a random Jon’s gifs to support my KH interview quotes, Kit said about how sansa the only one that could twists jon like that, and I use every jonsa scenes with jon looking shook, infuriated, and nervous, i didn’t even use some of it (like the one when sansa cut ser royce in council meeting, or in reunion when sansa want to take WF) because I’m just too lazy and there are too many jonsa moments to giffed and too little time for me to do it. I’m using a REAL interview with a REAL source and a REAL scenes from the show, if other people could post a single gif of dumbfounded Hannah Murray as a proof to invalidate jonsa, then why couldn’t I use an article of KH with supporting evidence from the show to validate jonsa? At least it wasn’t a fake KH BBC Radio interview, or a fake GRRM interview, or a fake Michelle Clapton interview, or a fake outline, or a fake jonsa blog, and frankly, it wasn’t a place for you to say if an article might or might not work for me, I’m talking about what validate my ship, and if you don’t agree with that, then just move a long, don’t read it, don’t follow me, block me, idgaf.

link to my post I link to the article