#no he wasn’t convicted of rape anon

[rosencatholic]

so you're celebrating because a convicted felon and rapist was elected? how very christian of you.

womp womp

It was the will of God for him to win and he did. Glory to God in the highest!

[deliciouskeys]

Co-parenting Butchlander is a bad idea for canon even if done in the tamest way possible and I feel like this needs to be said because this shit is getting out of hand to disturbing levels.

Homelander is the rapist.

He doesn't have custody of Ryan. He doesn't and shouldn't have rights to him. After getting Becca (Ryan's actual parent) killed, and against her wishes, he has stolen or in other words kidnapped Ryan.

Ryan is not his to take and shouldn't be viewed as such. Just think rationally for a split second on this.

Do you think a rapist should have rights to custody of a child they force on someone just because that person chose to keep it or god forbid, couldn't manage to get an abortion? Do you think it would be okay for that rapist to then kill the mother or get her killed and steal the child simply because he wants to be a dad?

That's not cute. It doesn't matter what the rapist's backstory is, that's horrifying and wrong and so gross on so many levels.

And look, it's fine if you want to romanticize this idea for fics but that is the one and only place it should be framed this irresponsibly. Because it is a bad idea with horrible implications that shouldn't be rose tinted into something adorable just because there are a few moments Homelander isn't pushing Ryan off a roof.

And you cannot complain about canon treating Becca badly when you advocate for this in canon.

This would be so much worse by make her nothing more than an incubator for the kid of the guy who raped her and then steals her husband. And that is disgusting.

Can we not forget that Ryan and Becca are both victims here, for once?

Romanticize it all you want in fics. It does not belong in canon.

Context link: My dumb crack idea for a Diabolical episode that Anon is referring to

“Co-parenting Butchlander is a bad idea for canon”

Maybe it doesn’t really matter for this discussion, but : I wouldn’t consider Diabolical “canon”. They had an episode about a woman talking to her poop, with a Deep cameo because it involved a sewer. It’s not canon.

“He doesn’t have custody of Ryan”

Well… okay, this is interesting, Ryan is in his custody as of end of season 3, whether HL has legal custody or not. In fact, NYS law is particularly lax and kind of messed up in the sense that you need a rape conviction to be deprived of your parental rights to a child that is genetically yours (and wasn’t made via a sperm bank). So not that it changes things ethically, but legally speaking HL may have legal claim here until someone convicts him of rape or CPS finds his parenting criminally negligent/inappropriate.

“Do you think it would be okay for that rapist to then kill the mother or get her killed and steal the child simply because he wants to be a dad?”

Do I think it’s “okay” ethically, morally, legally? Hmmmmmm, idk, what do you think I think, Anon? I’ll clear it up and say: no, I don’t . But am I watching and enjoying a show that already portrays this fucked up scenario? Yes, I am.

“You cannot complain about canon treating Becca badly when you advocate for this in canon”

Were you up in arms about this Amazon video?

Because it’s along the same ‘teehee this is so fucked up’ humor lines that you are clearly revolted by. If you were, then okay, at least you are consistent. And I’m going to chalk it up to different tolerance/interest levels about fucked up scenarios.

Come off anon if you still think I’m being glib and “romanticizing” dead incubators. I promise I’m not that scary to talk to off-anon. I even promise to hear you out if I’ve misunderstood the problem you have with my hypothetical dumb spin-off plot that wouldn’t be part of canon. You’re allowed to disagree.

[destinyc1020]

Euphoria is originally an Israeli show, yes. Which is why it never made sense that he based it off his life. And yeah, Season 2 was praised for the first few episodes but from both fans and critics, the overall season wasn’t well received with people talking about the plot holes and how that season didn’t wrap anything up. And yeah, HBO is a major factor in why Petra got fired. But HBO is not trending, Sam is. Also, Sam has lost a lot of good will with the public and critics post Season 2. And in general, Zendaya keeping her name attached to a man that ever other day seems like there’s a new report about him being a hack and running a bad set will start rubbing off on her. Reputation matters a lot in Hollywood sometimes and after The Idol and how every other day people are saying that there doesn’t even need to be a Season 3, it’s best for her to say thank you and move on from him.

Thanks Anon. 😊

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But I feel like Zendaya is America's Sweetheart and Hollywood's Darling right now. I don't really think stuff about Sam Levinson is reaching the news or ordinary ppl who don't follow them closely.

Sam Levinson would have to be convicted of rape, assault, or child pornography in order for his bad image to taint Zendaya or the rest of the cast imo.🤷🏾‍♀️

Twitter is not the news. Yea, we know about these things, but does the avg American sit up in bed at night wondering why Zendaya is still working with Sam Levinson? I doubt it lol 😆

Sam would have to reach Harvey Weinstein levels (read: national news levels) in order for people to start associating him with Zendaya and tainting her name imo.

With that said, I do agree with you that those of us who DO follow her, Sam, or the show closely are kinda like ... 🥴

But I just don't think it's at the point yet where she's getting a bad image because of him.

But yea Anon.....My only fear is like yours, that given his track record, smthg about him MIGHT come out in the future that could possibly paint Z (or the rest of the cast) in a bad light. 🥴

[taigastyle]

”your guy is either gone or about to be on his knees for a rapist” the company you enjoy has in it's employment multiple alleged rapists, abusers, as well as allowing a convicted rapist (mike tyson) on it's show, moral grandstanding seems weird

and wwe does too bestie! <3 so does every company! There was no moral grand standing just stating facts. In fact all I said is that he’s got nothing or he’s gotta suck up to Vince (or Dana White or Ari Emanuel! pick your shitty guy)

if you wanna talk moral grandstanding Did you know Trump has been on WWE, and is in their HoF? And Vince’s wife was in his cabinet and does fundraising for him?? Do you care that a lot of the top brass in WWE have raped and led to the deaths of countless people? HHH was trying to bring Velveteen Dream back, Theory, Riddle are big featured stars, Michael’s runs NXT which is becoming a QAnon radicalization center - and I could keep going all the way back through their years of crimes and employed horrible people. But I wasn’t talking about or comparing talents. Mike Tyson being a guest on AEW has no real impact on the fact that Vince has a special place in hell just for all the harm he has done in his life. It is vast and we will honestly never know the true breadth of it.

but coming here anonymously to act like one snippy tag encompasses my entire opinions and that you’ve Got Me when you could come here and have a conversation with me off anon like an adult is fucking annoying and why I’m turning anon off for now. If you want to talk with me you’ll have to stop hiding.

[jessmm7]

https://www.tumblr.com/jessmm7/722853398268018688/can-you-please-explain-to-me-what-is-so-bad-about

Anon, less than 1% of rape cases actually end up in conviction. So just because he was found “not guilty” doesn’t mean at all that he wasn’t actually guilty.

Exactly ‼️

[kiranatrix]

I feel like the nature of Light’s ideology and his methods get caricatured a great deal in the fandom (especially by those who only viewed the anime). I keep seeing popular memes about Light killing petty shoplifters who are only attempting to feed their family and I always get the sense that they’re largely inaccurate (for the most part). Light notices in the Yotsuba arc that Kira’s sentencing spares those: who’ve served their sentences and improved their ways, who committed justifiable crimes, and who have shown remorse. So it feels off to seeing portrayed that way, especially when Light’s elimination of innocents (such as the FBI agents, Naomi, etc...) are usually for strategic purposes, intended to help him progress ahead. Not to mention this pervasive belief that Light apparently didn’t know that he would be bound to sentence some innocents to death (with his large kill count per day). Wouldn’t it be more likely that Light knew that it was inevitable and was willing to sacrifice those lives for “the greater good,” in his view?

This is a doozy of an ask, anon. But it is GLORY bc these are all excellent things for me to ramble about Light (thank you!). I’ll take them point by point, strap in cause this is a bit long. *cracks knuckles*

You’re absolutely right that fandom often boils Light’s character and ideology down to a few basic elements that are distorted, mostly to drag him. Let’s be honest-- it’s fun to drag characters, even our favs-- and pretty much everyone in Death Note deserves it. But it does become annoying when its inaccurate, like with your example about who Kira focused on killing and some others I see. To be clear, this isn’t any kind of apology for the bastardly things Light DID do, but clarifying what he was and wasn’t about.

Did Light kill petty criminals?

The only time it is mentioned that Light kills criminals for non-serious crimes is when he was under surveillance by L (the infamous potato chip scene) and had to kill someone on the news right then, as well as the immediate coverup. In that circumstance, he couldn’t afford to be picky-- he needed L to see a signature Kira death (heart attack) when Light supposedly couldn’t be doing it. The crimes that appeared on the news that night (in his chip bag TV lol) ended up being non-serious criminals, and Light wasn’t so thrilled about this. 

Mainly because it meant he had to cover his tracks and kill a few more minor criminals so it really did look like Kira’s work. 

But his focus was putting himself in the clear with L; those minor criminals were incidental, and when he had choice/freedom again, he did not focus on them. The ruse didn’t completely work because L thought minor criminals dying was suspicious since it deviated from Kira’s usual MO. So, L knew the real focus.

This was a strategic move in service of, versus reflecting, Light’s ideology. This is something we see pop up again and again for Light. He is willing to do ‘wrong’ for the greater ‘good.’ We also see his distaste for killing petty criminals later when Light rebukes Mikami’s off-script killings in his thoughts. If Kira had been acting this way all along, then the Task Force wouldn’t have been surprised and Light wouldn’t have been pissed off that Mikami was doing it. 

Kira was looking for violent criminals who had escaped justice, that’s his main goal. He’s also disagreeing with Mikami’s methods of punishing wrong-doers who paid their debt to society (as opposed to the Death Row criminals I discuss below who haven’t ‘paid their debt’ yet). He doesn’t want people to fear Kira and thinks shooting fish in a barrel, so to speak, would do that. His ideology is not punitive; to him, its about prevention. Petty crime wasn’t on his radar until he had to make that a temporary focus for his safety.

Did Light focus on criminals already in prison? 

I’ve seen plenty of posts in the Death Note tag grousing about how Light was ‘dumb’ because he only focused on criminals in prison, but that’s not wholly accurate. The first two names he wrote were criminals he witnessed in the process of a crime with actual victims that needed help (a hostage scenario where the perp had already murdered people, and a man about to rape). Then he went for the Big Bads in the news- the most vicious criminals world-wide.

Other than criminals at large, he DID kill some criminals in prison. The times he did so were:

1) Killing criminals on Death Row who, in the eyes of law enforcement, “deserved the death penalty several times over.” These are criminals who had already been sentenced to die and Kira enacted the ‘justice.’

2) During Light’s ‘testing phase’ of the Death Note when he was trying to understand the rules in a population he could control 

3) When he was trying to be conspicuous about deaths for L’s benefit, like throwing off the assumption that Kira was a student. Light knew that those deaths would be found immediately and attributed to Kira. 

For 2 and 3, these criminals were likely to be on Death Row given what was said by INTERPOL about who Kira was killing behind bars. Ironically, even L thought Death Row criminals needed to die-- he chose Lind L Tailor from Death Row for his stunt, and said on TV he’d seek the death penalty for Kira. Hmm.

Why did Light kill innocent people?

The innocent people that Light killed include Raye Penber, the rest of the FBI agents in Japan investigating Kira, and Naomi Misora. L and Watari might be considered innocent per Kira’s ideology (Watari had probably murdered people but L had probably not, directly). Rem technically killed L and Watari, but Light certainly wanted them to die and orchestrated it that way. The innocent people that Light WOULD have killed include the Task Force (Mogi, Aizawa, Matsuda, Ide) and the SPK (Halle, Gevanni, Rester, Near,) if he’d won in the warehouse.

The main thread tying all these people together? They were all imminent threats to Light and were actively trying to stop and/or kill him. Killing them would never have crossed his mind if that hadn’t been the case. THAT DOESN’T MEAN HE DIDN’T ENJOY IT. Taking out his enemies was something Light did savor, he really loved that win. But it wasn’t like he wiped out the entire FBI or Japanese police force. Those were not his targets; these were individuals who threatened his goal and life, and he saw their killing as self-defense. 

Did Light kill any criminals who were innocent or wrongly convicted?

It’s certainly possible that he did but the manga never touches on it. Given that his MO for killing incarcerated criminals was limited to Death Row, he probably felt like those were safe bets (we know that’s not always the case in the real world, of course). But let’s say that Light, in canon, found out he’d killed someone wrongfully convicted. In the beginning of his journey as Kira (at 17-18), I honestly don’t think he’d given this a lot of thought. What’s funny is that Light was naively, and paradoxically, putting a lot of faith in the human justice system while simultaneously enacting his own justice that relied on having zero faith in the traditional channels. Makes my head spin, but Light is a fascinating character because of that kind of thinking. He championed sweeping ideals of right and wrong, but couldn’t be bothered with getting in the murky details. 

But by the time he’d grown up and matured some, especially after becoming part of the police force himself, he would have know it was a possibility. At that point, I agree that he’d view it as an inevitable sacrifice in service of, but not directly reflecting, his ‘greater good,’ like the previous choices he’d made. 

So why is Kira’s ideology so often distorted? For one thing, his thinking is kind of convoluted. The anime has less nuance about what Light’s about, and many people just watch that. Another common reason I see for this is that someone really, really hates Light for defeating L, and once we dislike someone it becomes easier to roll in more and more unlikeable qualities into a nasty villain pie. Any trait that is ‘bad’ can be overlaid onto Light because he is ‘bad,’ so it fits right?? Ha....no. He has plenty of bad traits and actions of his own to drag him for without inventing new ones. At the same time, I see L’s flaws and negative traits/actions being hand-waved away or justified because he is their fav. It happened with Minoru, too. 

[plaidbooks]

Can I request a Barba x reader based off Barba returning to SVU? He’s working as the defense in the reader’s coming trial with Sonny representing her. The reader and Barba dates before he left the show. He needed to move on and the reader wasn’t ready to leave New York. Barba genuinely believes the defendant is innocent and is still in love with the reader, but can’t see his friend go to jail for something he doesn’t believe he did. Angst or fluff; however you want to end it! Thank you!!

Time Heals

A/N: Yesssss. I love this; this is one of my favorite things I’ve written in a while tbh. I hope you enjoy, anon <3

Disclaimer: This is written before the episode Rafael comes back, so sorry for any inconsistencies for when that happens!

Tags: rape mention (reader was date-raped), angst with a happy ending

Words: 2102

Taglist: @the-baby-bookworm @beccabarba @thatesqcrush @itsjustmyfantasyroom @stardust-fray @permanentlydizzy @glowingmess @infiniteoddball @ben-c-group-therapy @averyhotchner @mrsrafaelbarba @dianilaws

(gif by @sseureki)

You rubbed your left hand nervously, a tick you picked up three years ago, waiting for Sonny to come back from the coffee machine with a cup for you both. You tried to stop your hands from shaking, your knee bouncing and your breathing picking up as you remembered the night that had changed your life, the reason you were in Sonny’s office in the first place. You had been attacked nearly two months ago; a date that had ended in you being drugged and waking up without your clothes on, sore everywhere. It still made you feel sick to your stomach, even though you had been a detective with SVU, dealt with victims of just this kind of thing for years. Olivia had sent you to a great therapist, and the nightmares had stopped soon enough.

Sonny finally came back, placing the coffee on the table in front of you, and you mumbled a thanks. “How are ya feeling, [Y/N]?” he asked softly, placing a hand over yours. Sonny was your partner once upon a time, and you were still close.

“I wish people would stop asking me that,” you replied, smiling. He still looked concerned, so you said, “I’m fine, Son. Just…a little shaky, still. I just want this over and done with.” You sighed heavily, running a hand over your face.

“I know, doll. Soon, I promise. We got Adams on tape leaving the bar with you, taking you back to your hotel room, leaving the hotel an hour later, and his confession. We got this scumbag,” he said with conviction.

You nodded, taking a sip of your coffee. Kendrick Adams was the man you had gone on a date with…and the man who date raped you. He seemed pretty upset about it, but you had no sympathy for the man who had forced himself inside you. The one silver lining is that he had used a condom; you had no STDs, and you weren’t pregnant.

“Has he got a new defense attorney yet?” you asked, idly stirring your coffee with the small, wooden stirring stick. His old attorney was court appointed, and was not doing a good job representing him. Fin, as much as you loved the man, wasn’t so sure Adams was guilty. He thought that during the confession, Adams seemed confused, upset, and he recanted three days later.

“Call it a gut feeling,” Fin had said, earning a glare from you and Sonny. Both of you were ex-Detectives, and you both knew the accuracy of gut feelings, and while you could admit that Fin was usually correct, you were positive that he wasn’t. Not this time.

“Yeah, I’m meetin’ them today. I’m not sure who it is, though,” Sonny replied, shuffling some papers around. “In 30 minutes, actually.”

“Mind if I hang around? I’d like to know who’s trying to defend that asshole.”

Sonny gave you a long stare. “Technically, you’re not allowed to. But, if you were to, I don’t know, leave 5 minutes beforehand, bump into them….”

You gave him a smirk. “Thanks Sonny.”

 ***********************

You didn’t even get a chance to make your early exit before there was a knock on the door, presumably the defense attorney. You glanced at Sonny, who rose his eyebrow before saying, “uh, come in.” Your breath caught when in walked Rafael Barba. Time seemed to stop as his bright green eyes slid to yours, locking there in surprise. He looked…different. Not just the salt and pepper beard. But he looked happier than the last time you had seen him, more…alive. He still had a deep sadness in his eyes, but the last time you had seen him, he was defeated, a shell. Now, he at least looked like a person again. He resembled the man you had fallen in love with all those years ago. You unconsciously rubbed at your left hand, and his eyes flickered down to the motion. Just like that, the spell was broken, and you sucked in a deep breath.

“Please tell me this is a joke,” you muttered, suddenly remembering why he was there, that this wasn’t random chance. Rafael simply gaped at you. “Are you really a defense attorney? For fucking Adams?”

“Nice to see you, too, Detective,” Rafael said, eyes narrowing. “Yes, I am defending Adams. And you’ll find that my client is innocent.”

“Innocent my ass,” you sneered, standing angrily.

“[Y/N], let’s not—” Sonny started, but Rafael cut him off.

“He is innocent, and I’ll prove it in court. That is, unless ADA Carisi is willing to talk deals.”

You stomped up to Rafael, blood boiling, getting right up into his face. “Fuck deals, Raf. I want that bastard dead. Rotting in a fucking cell.”

“What do you have against this guy, huh? Call you a bad name in the interrogation room?”

Sonny spoke up again. “Barba, don’t—”

“Cause he fucking raped me!” you screamed in Rafael’s face. You watched his face go through every human emotion you could think of in the span of a few seconds, ending with a profound remorse.

“[Y/N]…I’m—” he started, but you shoved past him, slamming the door to Sonny’s office as you left, tears falling freely down your face. This was the first time you had seen Rafael in three years, and this was not how you thought this reunion would go. Your heart still strained when you thought about his bright green eyes. And that beard certainly made him more attractive. But he was defending your rapist, and you didn’t know how you could deal with that. You rubbed your left hand nervously, making your way outside, trying to find some air.

 **********************

Sonny informed you that him and Rafael were unable to come to a deal, and that Rafael was going for a plea of not guilty. You wanted to hate him, to be pissed and to just…hate him. But you couldn’t. You had spent too many years loving Rafael, and a small part of your brain kept thinking that if Rafael thought Adams was innocent…well, maybe something was there. But how could you be so wrong? How could all of SVU be so wrong?

“We’ve been wrong before,” Fin mentioned, shrugging nonchalantly, as if this wasn’t your life. It made you want to scream.

You tried to move on with your life, enjoy your retirement, stopping by One Hogan Place to talk with Sonny whenever he asked you to. He made sure to schedule you on separate days from Rafael, so that you wouldn’t run into him, and you were forever grateful. But just knowing he was in the same city as you made the hairs on your arms stand up on end, and you weren’t quite sure if that was a good thing or not.

Finally, you couldn’t avoid him anymore, not when he showed up at your front door, a bouquet of multicolored roses in his hand.

“Can we talk?” Rafael asked, hopeful.

“Should I have counsel?” you replied, crossing your arms over your chest.

He shuffled awkwardly on his feet. “[Y/N]…please…not about the trial. About us.”

Sighing, you moved out of the way, letting Rafael enter your apartment. It felt small with him there, much smaller than the place you both shared a lifetime ago. He glanced around appreciatively, before turning back to you, offering you the flowers. You took them, closing your eyes at the beautiful scent. He followed you to the kitchen while you found a vase, filling it with water.

“You still look beautiful, cariño,” Rafael murmured as you placed the flowers in the vase. You felt your eyes fill with tears, but you blinked them away rapidly, not wanting him to see.

“Why are you here, Raf?” you asked, trying to keep your voice from wavering. Looking at the sadness in his eyes, it was a struggle to not cross the distance between you, to not hug him until he was happy again.

“I—I wanted to see you. I told you when I left that I still loved you; that hasn’t changed.”

You swallowed, rubbing at your left hand. You looked down at your hand, the faint tan line on your ring finger still visible, even after these three long years.

“Then why are you defending Adams?” you breathed.

He sighed, rubbing the back of his neck. “Adams is…an old friend.” Rafael’s eyes locked to yours. “I know him, [Y/N]. He didn’t do this. And I refuse to see him go to jail for it. The evidence is circumstantial, at best, and you know it. You’re a detective—”

“I’m not a detective, Raf. Not anymore. I…I haven’t been a detective since you left. I just, I couldn’t do it anymore…” you trailed off.

“Oh,” was all he said. The silence dragged on, both of you unsure of what to say. He confessed that he still loved you, and he did honestly believe that Adams was innocent. Maybe he was right; the evidence was circumstantial…besides the confession, which Adams recanted shortly after. Liv told you he was claiming that you had seemed drunk and that he had helped you to your room. That he had held your hair while you vomited, then helped you to bed, staying with you until you fell asleep, hence why he was there for an hour before leaving. But if that were the case, then who assaulted you? Rollins and Kat already interviewed the hotel staff, the people on the same floor as you, and the security in the hotel, with no new leads.

“Where does this leave us?” Rafael finally asked, eyes searching yours. “Do you still…do I still have a chance with you?”

You swallowed under his intense stare. “I—I don’t know, Raf. I still…I still have feelings for you. I know that we agreed to take a break while you…figured things out. But that was three years ago, Rafael! I just—I don’t…and with all this shit with Adams—”

“I understand. Really, I do. I’m…I’m willing to wait for you. Hell, I’m willing to start all over again, relearn everything about you. Please, just give me a chance,” Rafael pleaded, taking a step closer to you.

“How do I know you won’t leave again?” you murmured, stopping him in his tracks.

His face fell, his hands clenching at his sides. “I’m here to stay; I promise.”

“As a defense attorney?”

Rafael winced. “Not all defense attorneys are bad, [Y/N]. Besides, I’ll only do it if I’m convinced my client is innocent. I’m not in it for the money; I’m in it to keep innocent people out of jail. I’m—it’s still me, cariño…I haven’t changed that much in the past three years. I’ve just…I’ve found myself again.”

You looked at him, really looked. Rafael’s hair had grey streaks, a speckled beard hiding that sarcastic mouth you loved. His bright, seafoam eyes were still alert, intelligent, locked to yours in question. He had more lines on his face, but the dark circles that used to be under his eyes had lessened. Even the way he held himself, the way he spoke, seemed lighter, less stressed. You suddenly wished, for the millionth time since he had left, that you had gone with him. But, at the time, you couldn’t force yourself to leave New York. Even if it meant losing Rafael for a little. Neither of you knew it would be this long. This date with Adams was actually your first date since Rafael left.

“I don’t think it would be good for Sonny’s case if I dated the defendant’s defense attorney,” you said, a soft smile pulling at your lips.

Rafael grinned, coming to you and pulling you into a tight hug, his cologne comforting, even after all this time. He placed a kiss on your cheek, his beard tickling your skin.

“I’m so sorry this happened to you,” Rafael murmured into your ear.

“I am, too,” you whispered back, fresh tears in your eyes. “But, if not Adams…who?”

He leaned back to look at you. “I don’t know…I wish I did, but Kendrick doesn’t know, either. He really did just take care of you before leaving you in your room. My best guess is one of the hotel staff…maybe the bartender? They have a separate elevator; I’ll have Liv check the tapes.”

You nodded. “And us?”

“I agree that we should wait until this trial is over. Then…dinner?”

“Dinner sounds lovely,” you replied, giving Rafael another hug. It would take time to get back to where you were before. But maybe this time, the two of you would get married.

[bforbetterthanyou]

Thomas culpepper anon here-very sorry about the phrasing of that. What I meant was that Thomas’s possible crime would have been seen as a horrible thing both at the time and now, and he or his brother were convicted of the crime which I think Henry would have thought would have been a bad public image if he had brought Thomas to court. Now of course he didn’t apply the same standards to his friends, because he was kinda awful like that, but for example, Charles marrying his 14 yr old ward might have been accepted a bit more in Tudor times than a rape of a wife and murder of a husband. I know that the marriage age was about an average of 18 or 20 for women but sadly there were exceptions on the younger side. Again I am really sorry for the bad phrasing, don’t like Henry or Thomas, but just think objectively maybe a member of the higher nobility who was close with Henry could be accepted more as a horrible criminal than a member of the gentry even with his connections which is why I think Culpepper didn’t do it.

On the marriage age: technically girls could be married at 12 so actually there wasn’t really anything socially unacceptable about Charles Brandon marrying Katherine Willoughby (not by Tudor standards anyway).

I mean, if you really want to believe that it was the older Thomas and not the younger Thomas who committed those crimes then you believe that, anon.

By the way, both Thomases were courtiers.

[thisselflovecamebacktome]

My personal connection with Taylor’s discography, part twelve: No Body No Crime

Basically this is just a series I’m doing where I write down my feelings on what each of the Taylor songs means to me personally on a line to line basis both for my own sake to have it somewhere and for anyone who wants to know anything further about me.

So with that in mind, let’s get started.

No Body No Crime.

So out of all the relationships to Taylor's songs I have, this one is by far the most abstract. And yet, it still does in fact involve me being accused of killing someone. Before we continue, I am going to note that I am not the infamous murder anon given this fandom's history. I am also going to give trigger warnings now that this part of my life, and hence post, includes suicide, homophobia and rape, so if you cannot handle that, now is the time to turn away. 

As a whole, this song reminds me of 2011, and how a group of boys who called themselves my brother's friends threw my life into a loop and the cost of unwillingly losing my virginity and the life of one of my closest friends, and how, in response to this, they ended up in prison with one of them dying in there.

He did it. He did it

The actions of these boys traumatised me and has lived in my mind rent free and repeated itself in the form of PTSD flashbacks for the last decade. This was particularly the case at the time where I was an 16 year old girl with undiagnosed and untreated PTSD and Bipolar Disorder.

Este's a friend of mine

A lot of my brother's friends had siblings my age and vice versa when I was a kid. As a result, most of us just formed one big group where we all hung out, and, on occasion, dated each other. One such instance of this was a friend of my brother's who I dated and remained friends with after he came out as gay.

We meet up every Tuesday night for dinner and a glass of wine

His coming out was not easy for him with his family kicking him out over it. So out of both guilt as I had pushed him to come out, and concern, I made sure to meet up with him as much as possible.

Este's been losing sleep. Her husband's acting different and it smells like infidelity. She says, "That ain't my merlot on his mouth. That ain't my jewelry on our joint account”

On one of the last occasions I saw him, he noted to me that these friends of my brother were seemingly trying to disown this friend, and trying to get others, my brother and another ex of mine, to do the same. We spoke at length about how him coming out had really changed the dynamic of his friendships and while a lot of the female friends and my male best friend at the time had still treated him the same, this group had certainly started excluding him from things because the 'ringleader' told them to. Unfortunately this included my ex who was like a brother to this friend, and my brother who was now seen as the 'new shiny thing' that took this friend's place.

“No, there ain't no doubt, I think I'm gonna call him out.” She says "I think he did it but I just can't prove it. No, no body, no crime, but I ain't letting up until the day I die”

At the time, I told this friend that they should call all of these so called friends and that I would if he didn't want to. But as teenagers are, and especially boys in my experience, he let his ego get in the way and said he wanted to get more 'proof' before calling them out. But even as that proof came in and he was completely ousted, there was no confrontation.

Este wasn't there, Tuesday night at Olive Garden, at her job, or anywhere

Not too long later, this friend committed suicide in front of me over the harassment of these so called friends and his family. While I knew he wasn't doing great mentally, it was literally the case that one minute we were there joking around and eating oreos and the next he was gone.

He reports his missing wife

Every single person that harassed this friend over his sexuality showed up to his funeral. Though I'm embarrassed about it now and realise it was not the time or place, that was the moment I chose to call out these so called friends, and in the process, I was accused of killing this friend. To this day I'm thankful that the place this friend died in had surveillance footage to completely rule out the notion.

And I noticed when I passed his house his truck has got some brand new tires

Despite showing up to the funeral however, it took these so called friends less than an afternoon to flip back to harassing this now dead friend.

And his mistress moved in. Sleeps in Este's bed and everything

I love my brother and always will. But he is not the kind of person who will speak up when something is unjust, and this was no different. For months he continued hanging out with these friends as if nothing had happened. Since then, I also found out that my other ex had endured severe racism at the hand of this group, and that my brother had once again said nothing.

No, there ain't no doubt. Somebody's gotta catch him out. 'Cause I think he did it but I just can't prove it No, no body, no crime, but I ain't letting up until the day I die

So the months went on, and with this and another friend's (unrelated) death also on my mind, I just got angrier and angrier. I did what I could to avoid my brother, ex and their so called friends, but the city I live in isn't that big and so of course, I ran into them (baring my brother and ex) at one point. Though I tried to ignore their provocations, they weren't having that. One altercation led to another and I ended up unwillingly losing my virginity to them. I've been told since that they were assured that they were going to get away with what they did to me because the court system is rough on sexual violence victims and proving the crime beyond reasonable doubt is near impossible. But even with how mentally distraught I was at the time, I just knew I couldn't let them get away with another crime.

Good thing my daddy made me get a boating license when I was fifteen, and I've cleaned enough houses to know how to cover up a scene

Most of my extended family growing up were cops. And while most of them were shitty in a ACAB way and a general human being way, I learned a lot about the system and exactly what to do and say if something like this happened. So I turned back the monetary bribes the 'ringleader's' parents offered me to keep quiet and we went through the system where they were sentenced to five months in prison, to which one of them never made it out. And while that may seem insignificant given convictions of rapes of my nature can be given up to 25 years imprisonment in my country, I'm definitely aware that it is far more than most people get.

Good thing Este's sister's gonna swear she was with me ("She was with me dude")

Within 24 hours of the rape, rumours were going around that I had willingly slept with these boys to get back at my ex and was now lying about being raped because I regretted it. However, upon hearing that from the boys himself, my ex came straight to me and apologised for everything because he knew they were lying, and that he should have left when our friend died, if not before then. Since then, we've become best friends and he's never left my side and testified at the trial to the fact these boys had made comments and taken other action to sexually harass me in the past and implied they had always wanted to do more.

Good thing his mistress took out a big life insurance policy

As you can probably imagine, with everything that happened, my mother didn't want my brother anywhere near these friends. So after the rape, he was pulled away from them, and, much like my ex, excluded from the social downfall they had with not only the conviction, but people realising the role they played in our friend's death. And while my ex still blames himself to this day, my brother has never said a word about it either way and somewhat got the reputation of the boy who got away with it all because of it.

They think she did it but they just can't prove it Despite this, or maybe even because of it, these now men have always accused my brother of orchestrating the whole thing from our dead friend coming out to my rape case in order to get back at them for the racism they showed my ex. Others have also accused him of being a part of it all but using me as a shield to bail him out to not catch heat.

She thinks I did it but she just can't prove it

On the other side of it, my brother has said things over the years to imply he believed I orchestrated the rape and legal situation that followed as a way to get him out of there in fear he'd end up like our friend, especially given his own suicidal history.

No, no body, no crime. I wasn't letting up until the day he died

As things stand at the moment, I have a restraining order on the men who survived prison. In the case of the 'ringleader', this prevents him becoming a cop like he wants to. Though he has made several attempts, both through breaking the restraining order and through others, to have the order thrown out, I've refused to budge on it and will until either all of them are dead or I am.

[daesungindistress]

I'm going to laugh at you so much after this whole scandal is over and Seungri is finally proven innocent. Get ready to be trolled 😻.

Laugh all you like, whenever you like... whatever makes you feel better. I shouldn’t waste my time with asks like this, but I’m still taking it all pretty seriously (except for that trolling attempt on me this morning, that was fun) so yeah, I’ll bite… I’ll give you an earnest reply.

We’ve all seen it. Over the last few weeks the fandom has migrated away from Seungri in droves, which itself is unprecedented. Never before have I seen such an abandoning. But I think you might be misunderstanding why so many fans have turned away, including many of his own. That or you’re missing the point.

Let me get this out of the way first: yes, in the beginning I was fighting hard for the presumption of innocence. While I was always tentatively open to the idea that some of the accusations could be true (because no matter how much we think we know these guys, we don’t know them), I wanted people to wait until we had more to go by. The investigation was just getting started at the time. Seungri hadn’t been booked for anything yet, and the chats hadn’t been confirmed as real.

Well, now we have more. So much more. We have more than any of us ever expected. And it’s not getting better… it’s getting worse.

That said… “proven innocent”. If only it was that simple. Courts don’t prove innocence; what they will do is find him guilty or not guilty. “Not guilty” doesn’t mean innocent; strictly speaking, it means there isn’t enough evidence to convict him. If that happens, it then comes down to the trust we have in him and how well we think we know him. The sad truth is that while there was once a time when I might have believed in his innocence, that time has passed. Given recent reports of destruction of evidence (changing phones, everyone except JJY exiting the chats in a coordinated manner, leaving the data there to disappear), there will always be doubt. Always. And I’m not confident that this doubt can be overcome. Seungri himself has addressed this already: “the issues that I caused a societal disturbance with are too major.”

Too major. His words, not mine.

Do you understand the gravity of this situation? Do you really? The men in these chats – Seungri’s circle of friends – have likened the women they slept with, some of whom they drugged and raped, to comfort women (yes, new reports have revealed that this goes beyond simply filming and distributing without consent, as if that wasn’t bad enough). Do you know what a charged topic that is in Korea? They might as well have called them sex slaves. We don’t know yet if Seungri was in that chat, but the fact remains that these are people he fostered bonds of friendship with for years, keeping in close contact with them until as recently as last month. His name is irreparably tied to them. I'm not normally one of those "guilty by association" types, but I can't turn a blind eye any longer. I have to question why he stayed. For him, I’m afraid complete innocence has gone out the window, across the rooftops, run away… to quote Duran Duran.

Here’s the deal. Throughout the course of this investigation, we as a fandom have seen enough. No, not everything… but enough. While Seungri might not be guilty of every allegation against him, his involvement brands him as far from innocent. And as such, we no longer need a court verdict to tell us that, if nothing else, his time in Big Bang has come to an end. I don’t give a damn about what he does with his life in the aftermath, as an individual. If he’s guilty, I hope he faces the consequences and comes out a better person. If he’s not guilty, I hope he can pick up whatever is left of his life and carry on in peace without further harassment from the public.

But we VIPs… this isn't our fight anymore. This isn't a decision we need to make for him. Because Seungri already made it for us.

Remember? He retired. And in doing so, I believe he told us all we needed to know. This controversy has grown too great to overcome. On the financial front, it’s become an international affair – Korean police have called on authorities from China, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong to aid in the investigation. On the sexual side, it hits right at the heart of some of the most heated issues we as women face today: misogyny, sex crimes, and women’s rights. As far as Seungri’s entertainment career is concerned, with a fanbase that's overwhelmingly women... realistically, I just don’t think there’s any coming back from this. And I think Seungri was aware of this. He knows things we don't; things we likely never will. So he acted accordingly and removed himself from the equation before any more damage could be done to Big Bang’s reputation.

And to that I say, good on him. I’ve always said he’s smarter than we give him credit for. Seungri saw his downfall in the near distance, coming for him fast and furious, and he accepted it. Oh, sure, he’s still fighting for his freedom, but his time as a singer… that’s history. At least for the foreseeable future.

When this controversy has finally come to an end... whatever the outcome, I won't be laughing, because nothing about this is funny. A “not guilty” verdict will save Seungri from prison, but it won’t redeem him or his place in Big Bang. The sooner you can accept it like he did, the sooner you can begin the healing process and start learning to move on.

[ghostofbambifanfiction]

first, this question is michael jackson and given what's come out about him, i want to put that out there in case it's potentially triggering. second, my question is, do you think it's ethical or right to consume media that is produced by abusers/rapists? like, i love mj's songs, really, but every time i listen to them, i can't help thinking i'm ignoring victims. i know this might be a loaded question, but i really appreciate your approach and thoughts. thanks.

I think that’s a really difficult question to answer, particularly since almost every single piece of media we consume is a collaborative effort and quite often a lot of the people involved in putting content out into the world are perfectly decent people who are innocent of any wrong and put a lot of work into producing that media. Even if you look at one of MJ's songs, like “Thriller,” for example. Michael Jackson didn’t write that song. He didn’t produce it. He wasn’t a sound engineer and he didn’t play any of the accompanying instruments. That song belongs to everyone else involved in the production as much as it belongs to him. So do we ignore their hard work? It’s a really awkward situation.

Furthermore, he’s dead, so he can’t benefit financially from the use of that song, and he was also never convicted of anything, which I think we can see from all of this Johnny Depp business is something we need to keep in mind. There’s a terrible cancellation culture on the internet right now wherein anyone can accuse anyone else of wrongdoing and that person is turned on immediately, whether or not they did anything wrong. I have no idea if Michael Jackson abused anyone. I haven’t watched the documentary because, having been abused myself and in a more fragile state of mental health than usual at the moment, it’s material that I don’t want to look at, but from what I hear the evidence is pretty damning. So if you feel it’s best to stop listening to his music, that’s a totally reasonable stance to take.

I will say this, though. You didn't hurt anyone, anon. You also can't fix the world by yourself. Would that we could all be staunch activists and stick tirelessly to a set of ironclad principles at all times, but we can't because we're human, and we have real lives and day-to-day mundanities that are going to take up our time and make it difficult for us to be morally “on it” all the time. That’s something I’ve learned about life the older I get, and it’s not something I allow myself to feel guilty about. You can't fight every single battle, and you can't avoid every single piece of media that was created or at least partly-created by someone who has been accused or convicted of rape or assault or abuse. I own Chicago on DVD and that was produced by Mirimax, but I’m still going to watch that movie because it’s a damn good musical and it is comprised of so much more than Harvey Weinstein.

Short answer: If you were ignoring victims or didn’t care about them, it wouldn’t worry you so much, so please don’t beat yourself up for listening to a song that you like. You’re not the one in the wrong, you are not condoning abuse and you did nothing to warrant that sort of guilt.

[thestuckylibrary]

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Anon 1 said:

I’m looking for an abo where Bucky is a convict under shield and Steve has him join a team to go underground to break in to a facility. When they get there, no one is found. Later on, there are monsters attacking them and they find all the people turned into them so they have to find the main monster to stop it.

thetwolattes, claudia-flies, asterisktrash, itseironia, bfd8927, mochiriceball, and Anon sent in Heat Stroke by cleo4u2, xantissa (complete | 243,892 | E) - past rape

Anon 2 said:

hi, i was trying to find a fic but i don't remember its title, can you help me? i think it was post ca:ws, bucky found wanda & pietro and basically adopted them, and the twins decided to help the avengers during a robot attack (if i remember it right) at the end of the fic even if bucky didn't want them to? before this wanda "compelled" airport security to let them board on a plane to nyc, where they were hiding at the end, but i don't remember anything else. any ideas? thank you!

orchidsrule, claudia-flies sent in The Ungraceful Art of Falling by buckyfuckybarnes (complete | 150,396 | E) - bucky/omc

ganzargweitweg sent in Lay Your Shoulders to the Wheel by galwednesday (oneshot | 13,207 | T)

Anon 3 said:

Hi I have been looking through this tumblr for ages to find a fic and I can't seem to find it anywhere. It was an AU where preserum Steve saved Bucky and the Howling Commandos and there was art of him with a beard and he called himself captain America as a joke but then they gave him the serum at the end. I'm sorry to have bothered you with this ask but im desperate to find the story again

amethystkrystal sent in A Matter of Time by Beardysteve, Paint_Stained_Heart (complete | 83,015 | M)

Anon 4 said:

Hey! I hope you can help me find this fic. I’ve been sorting through tags here and at so3 and haven’t found it. It’s tricky because I’m not sure if Bucky or Steve say something like “I’m not suicidal, I couldn’t do that but if I had died it would have been ok”. It wasn’t a suicide ideation fic, but it had either Steve or Bucky depressed, and I’m thinking it was a modern era fic, yeah. I can’t remember it and it was so so good. Please help me. Thank you! Love this blog.

rooonil-waazlib sent in this prompt fill by ipoiledi

orchidsrule sent in Just Like You by heartsdesire456 (oneshot | 6,596 | M)

Anon 5 said:

hello i was looking for a story i can't seem to find anymore. i think bucky was a med student while steve studied polisci and was set to become someone important (iirc his father or grandpa had been vicepresident). they get together but it's not an easy relationship. bucky is an addict and later on i think steve marries sharon. i also remember bucky ODing and steve being outed and getting a divorce. i don't remember if it was completed or not and i really can't seem to find it anywhere. thanks

valkyrieismygf, whitewolfbucky, claudia-flies, archipelagowritesthings, generisch, and Anon sent in That Reflection Man by SkyisGray (complete | 30,087 | E) - peggy/steve, addiction

bfd8927 said:

Does anyone know where to find this fanfiction, I can't remember what it's called, I think it was just a short one shot thing where the avengers come back to the common area and steve is napping with his head in bucky's lap, but instead of being cap size he's his preserum size. Bucky then explains that the serum affected steve like it did bruce.

wrappedesk said:

I've searched everywhere for this fic but haven't had any luck finding it. I'm pretty sure it's modern setting and established relationship, Bucky comes home drunk to find Steve putting a baby to sleep and he thinks the kid is his but it's actually his sister's baby. It's super sappy and Bucky cries while thinking about how beautiful Steve must have been while pregnant (not an mpreg fic). Thanks! :)

dreamofbecoming said:

hi! i can't find this fic anywhere- i've checked the soulmate, coffee shop, tattoo, and veteran!bucky tags, and nothing. they had a one night stand before bucky shipped out, and steve drew on him. bucky had the drawings tattooed, and years later they meet again when steve is working at nat's cafe? and it's v fate-y and soulmate-like and cute. any help is appreciated! love u guys!

necrofarts said:

hi i'm looking for a fic a read a couple years ago about queer life before ww2. I think it was told in a series of interviews by people steve and bucky knew. do you know the one?

orchidsrule sent in Subjective Histories by Odsbodkins (oneshot | 11,756 | M)

man-eating-werepanda said:

I’m looking for a fanfic I read a few weeks ago and stupidly did not save. It’s Bucky’s POV from Civil War on, while he’s recovering in Wakanda. T’Challa has him farming potatoes and gives him goats. Bucky is called Ingoka or Ingoku(?)and Steve is called Nekosa(?) I’ve tried searching ao3 with all of those tags in various forms and I can’t find it. Also, I think it has about 28 chapters if that helps…

Anon wrote in with Musings of the White Wolf by SeleneJessabelle12626 (complete | 65,216 | G)

[heartsoftruth]

OMG ROBINHO SERIOUSLY ? I wasn’t expecting that at all! He is the childhood idol of Neymar, they often hang out together, especially when he was playing in Santos.. I'm so disappointed, I loved him so much he seemed to be so nice .. And all those people who defend him and treat the woman of a liar.. He have been convicted by the court and people still defend him! I hope Ney is not going to stay friends with him, I’m so shocked, more and more men I used to like a lot disgust me so much now.. 😖

I’m also just in shock… Just in shock tbh. I mean every football fan from around Ney’s age knows Robinho and how great he was - until he was consumed by the partying life…

He can still appeal the charges twice and I’m sure he will.. So it isn’t the end, but I’m just in shock atm…

Anonymous said:been reading about Robinho and not sure this is the whole story.. apparently in 2013 he already threatened to sue some media over false accusations for this… and all of this happened while he was there with his wife?!?! Fishy.. also not to insult anyone but I live next to Italy and Albanian women there are like gypsies and run a lot of scams and extortion.. I think we need to wait to know more about this cuz it could be false accusation and he wouldn’t be first high profile person targeted…

Footballers cheating while dating/having a wife is nothing new if anything it’s almost ‘normal’ for them to do it. He wouldn’t be the first and wouldn’t be the last.

Sadly these arent accusations anymore but he’s already sentenced to 9 years - together with people in that group too - so there’s not much more we can wait on. He can - and will - appeal it and he has the ability to do that twice.

But I think we have to accept/realize this great player might not be a great person… 

Anonymous said:Hi i just saw your answer to one anon That you dont think ney wouldnt Date/have sex with the sister of jo “girlfriend” ? Why you think so? I dont think boys in generel dont think it would be weird.. Just like rafaellas ex boyfriend s they were good friends of ney too… What to me would be hella weird dating my bros friends omg 😅

A: Just a feeling. B: I  don’t think Jo would like that. C: If Ney hurts Emily’s sister, it will also affect Jo/Emily’s relationship. D: nope haha. 

Well I think Rafa isn’t the first sister to date one of her older brothers friends. Ney has such a big group he’s friends/friendly with and some pretty good lookin’ guys too. I would use that too if I was her haha xD She should maybe help him too. He can use some help. 

Anonymous said:how can Neymar have been friends with Robinho and how he has continued to see him as his idol since 2013. I mean, they are good friends, he’s been partying a lot with him, they’ve been super close, I I’m sure that in 2013 Neymar heard the case, and he continued to hang out with him and treat him like an idol. I hope with all my strength that Neymar has never been aware of this story and that there will never be a charge like that on him, it will break my heart.

I still honestly don’t get how we went to making this Robinho case about Neymar. 

Like I said yesterday: Well I mean it’s the footballer Ney saw growing up as a little boy. Also playing with much alegria and the typical Brazilian way. Playing for Santos like Ney and then making the move to a top club in Europe. He always called him his idol growing up. And I mean back then he at least had no rape/assault charges so I can understand - seeing the type of player Ney is and the Santos connection - he looked up to him. 

It would be really weird if he now all of a sudden would say my childhood idol was (random name). When we all know Robinho also was one of them. He can change his opinion about him now but he can’t change that he played a big part in his childhood as a person he probably looked up to. 

He sees Robinho once a year (at the end of it). They hang; they have fun; that’s it. Then they don’t see each other for a year again.

Thanks to @rexosaurusrex for reminding me of another player being accused and bought off his victim for rape charges. You might know him he won this years the best award. Or did you forgot about him 🤔🧐🧐and all the players/people that see him as an idol etc etc?

Anonymous said:“Ney isn’t a saint when it comes to fucks/girls” … Spill the beans please, I’m too new in the Neymar fandom to know anything interesting except that he keeps getting back together and breaking up with Bruna

I haven’t much beans to spill actually haha. 

[sometimesrosy]

Cyberbullying and The 100 Fandom

People think this is about teens and high school and it doesn’t matter, here in fandom, but it’s actually a real crime and as time goes on the definitions are going to evolve. And punishments are also going to evolve.

Beyond that. It’s simply wrong. Just because you’re on the internet and feel safe behind your tumblr persona or anonymity, it’s wrong. Here’s what wikipedia says about cyber bullying or cyber stalking.

Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, group, or organization.[1] It may include false accusations, defamation, slander and libel. It may also include monitoring, identity theft, threats, vandalism, solicitation for sex, or gathering information that may be used to threaten, embarrass or harass.

Cyberstalking is often accompanied by realtime or offline stalking.[2] In many jurisdictions, such as California, both are criminal offenses.[3] Both are motivated by a desire to control, intimidate or influence a victim.[4] A stalker may be an online stranger or a person whom the target knows. He may be anonymous and solicit involvement of other people online who do not even know the target.

Cyberstalking is a criminal offense under various state anti-stalking, slander and harassment laws. A conviction can result in a restraining order, probation, or criminal penalties against the assailant, including jail. [X]

And maybe you think it’s just fun times because you’re “calling out” someone who you think is wrong so wrong. And what you’re doing doesn’t mean anything. Because you’re just one person and you’re trying to....tell them how wrong they are, but this stuff adds up.

Stalking is a continuous process, consisting of a series of actions, each of which may be entirely legal in itself. Technology ethics professor Lambèr Royakkers defines cyberstalking as perpetrated by someone without a current relationship with the victim. About the abusive effects of cyberstalking, he writes that:

[Stalking] is a form of mental assault, in which the perpetrator repeatedly, unwantedly, and disruptively breaks into the life-world of the victim, with whom he has no relationship (or no longer has), with motives that are directly or indirectly traceable to the affective sphere. Moreover, the separated acts that make up the intrusion cannot by themselves cause the mental abuse, but do taken together (cumulative effect).[5]

Distinguishing cyberstalking from other acts

It is important[according to whom?] to draw a distinction between cyber-trolling and cyber-stalking. Research has shown that actions that can be perceived to be harmless as a one-off can be considered to be trolling, whereas if it is part of a persistent campaign then it can be considered stalking. [X]

I’m not a legal expert here. I don’t know that much at all, but it doesn’t take very long with google to start understanding that this is a serious issue and it’s an adult issue and it’s not play time and it’s not “for fun.”

If you think that what you did under anon doesn’t count as harassment, you’re wrong. If you think that you’re just supporting your friend who had decided that someone else deserves to be “called out,” you are part of the cyber stalking. If you have decided as a group that someone you don’t agree with needs to be taken down, you need to do some thinking.

Even if you were anon. Even if you think it can’t ever get back to you. What you did was wrong.

If you think this is a game and your target of hate is deserving, you are wrong. It’s not a game. It’s bullying. It’s abusive. It’s harassment. And look at that. It’s illegal. Is this what you want to be a part of?

You know what? Let me say this plainly. I have been cyberstalked in this fandom by both CLs and Bellarkers. I wasn’t being called out for my injustice perpetrated against others. I SPECIFICALLY have never gone to anyone else’s blog to argue with them without being tagged into the conversation. I’ve never sent hate to someone’s blog. Not anon or under my own name. I never told anyone they shouldn’t ship CL or hate Octavia. I have barely even stood up for myself when they’ve hijacked my own posts. I’ve been harassed for being an abuse survivor with stated PTSD and anxiety, for having an opinion, for not backing down, for not agreeing about the definition of abuse, for standing up to people who have tried to white wash me as a POC, for refusing to be silenced, for defending other people who were being silenced. I’ve been called a lesbophobe, a misogynist, a racist, a white feminist, a drunk, a drug addict, a brainwasher, an abuse apologist, a bad mother, a trump supporter. Oh. And arrogant and condescending. I’ve gotten thousands of asks of anon hate. And then there was the daily gossipgrounder drag.

It’s not okay. And it doesn’t matter if I am an adult or not. And let me say this. It was NOT just Gossipgrounder. No one should be feeling superior if they think Gossipgrounder was the cause of this, while they, who have been bullying the fandom, sending anon hate, and spreading unsubstantiated lies, gossiping in private and ganging up on others, are guiltless. I could name seven separate people who have started campaigns against me, and dragged my name through the mud for disagreeing them. I could NAME them. And that’s not counting the anons or the separate attacks from their followers, or the people who didn’t confront me directly.

I AM the person you were hurting with your fun. Me. And for all that you’ve decided I deserved it and I am arrogant and condescending for telling you you were wrong when you tried to bully the fandom, guess what? You were WRONG. I don’t care whether your idea was great or stupid, you were WRONG for trying to force other people to agree with you and you were WRONG to attack me for disagreeing. And your ego took over. And you decided it was OKAY for you to attack other people who disagreed with you, because you couldn’t possibly be wrong. Or maybe you weren’t the one sending in the harassment posts, you just gave them the outlet to hate me and spread lies and attack me.

Where’s my apology? These actions are not victimless. I am the actual victim of them and I am a person. Not a “demon.” Not a “racist.” Not a “lesbophobe.” And I never fucking said that Lxa raped Clarke. That was a flat out lie spread through a whole fandom. But, you know, thanks for posting that and allowing them to spread it unchecked. That was the service you provided our fandom. Lies and slander and harassment and abuse.

Everyone in this fandom needs to take a deep look at at themselves and their own behavior.

I’m not going anywhere. I’m staying here. And I’m going to write my fanfiction and I’m going to gush about bellarke. And if I want to, I’m going to talk about domestic abuse and being mixed race and latina and how Lxa was an antagonist but now not that important. And I’m going to continue to try and make the right choices and not attack people and be kind and not take shit and if that makes me arrogant. Oh well. At least I never cyber harassed any of you.

[fapangel]

Tell me, anon, how do you feel about going to Mars - to stay?// You do know that NASA got a half a million applications to do just that? Look, I think that anon attempted to point out that the Left is so far gone, that yes, they would allow a Carrier to go down just to take a swing at Trump. After the shooting that the baseball game, I just can't put it past them.

… okay, bruh, I get where you’re coming from, but I’m going to tell you the same thing I tell every fuckhead who says “Obama is a Muslim:” that doesn’t give you free license to sling the same breathtaking, demonizing slanders the Left does. And that includes not slandering everyone on The Other Side by the actions and words of their most violent and insane members.

Listen, Obama was a shitshow. He was a narcissistic asshole who had his dick sucked so much from Day One that he came to believe he really was infallible, a narcissist that indulged his own whims to the detriment of long-standing alliances from day one, when one of his first acts in office was to exile the Winston Churchill bust from his office in favor of an MLK one. If you think that’s not important, I’ll let you read between the lines of this CNN shill piece trying to defend it and decide for yourself, given the British reaction and the history of the gesture, what the message that sent was. Also consider this:

 Winston S. Churchill is the only U.S. Navy vessel to have a Royal Navy Officer permanently assigned to the ship’s company (usually a Navigation Officer).[3] The U.S. Navy had a permanent U.S. Navy Officer on the Royal Navy ship, HMS Marlborough, until its decommission on 8 July 2005.

Moving that bust out of the Oval Office mattered. And while the impact of that at the beginning of Obama’s reign was minor, what he did at the end of it was not - the man with essentially anti-colonialist views ended up lecturing Duterte, the democratically-elected President of a sovereign nation, as if the Philippines was still our fucking colonial lapdog. He managed to damage one of our most important regional alliances and open the door to a China eager to capitalize on it at the worst possible goddamned time. He’s a prick, who’s full of himself: 

This is precisely why his Big Legacy, Obamacare, is a fucking dumpster fire - because it was forced through the Senate without a proper vote, using the Slaughter Rule, without fuck one being given for the fact that the people who’s co-operation they’d need to make Obamacare work - i.e., state governments - were the same ones they completely blew off when crafting it. Even if you think that Obamacare was totally fine and only those evil conservative states refusing to “pay their fair share” sabotaged it, you can’t deny that the Democrats - led by Obama - are the ones that rammed it down their throats while screaming “EAT IT, BITCH!” Politically, it was built to fail. 

But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. What about Obama politicizing the executive branch to an unheard of degree? Examples? Using the IRS against his political opponents, for one. Or the time when twenty-six states sued to stop (another) of Obama’s executive actions on immigration policy, and his Justice Department responded by willful and active obstruction of the legal process so severe that the Federal Judge called it out as deliberate deception, and ordered every single one of the government lawyers to take remedial ethics classes. This is also the same Justice Department, under that fuck Eric Holder, that presided over the “Fast and Furious” gun-walking “sting” op that deliberately let American guns get smuggled to Mexico - ignoring multiple tips and reports from other gun dealers/FFL holders who knew who the smugglers were and how shady they were. Not only did the “sting” operation utterly fucking fail, but a US Border Patrol agent was killed by one of the weapons. And he wasn’t the only one - check out this NBC report that didn’t age so well, full of horror and so aghast at how American guns are fueling that awful Mexican drug war. Fuckin NRA, amirite? This is what Obama did for brown people - he killed a lot of them. Oh, he also killed two fucking pipelines - Keystone XL and in his last days in office put a pause on the Dakota Access - because fuck energy independence, oil is evil, Elon Musk is building those nifty electric cars, just pony up $100,000 like all the rich Sillicon Valley cunts do! Oh, he also killed Yucca Mountain, because FUCK nuclear power! And fuck the tons, literally TONS of already generated nuclear waste sitting in aging, cracking containment pools at shut-down decommissioned power plants across America - nuclear power is bad, and he cares about the environment, just not all the environments near those shut-down plants. 

Are you getting the picture? I could keep going all fucking night. I hate Obama. I hate the motherfucker. They have literally written BOOKS about all the horrible, stupid, and downright criminal shit the son of a bitch did - oh, how about the deliberate spreading and down-classifying of information and the “unmasking” of people in domestic intelligence reports for political purposes? See, I’m still going! 

So if you’re a conservative, and you know all this shit, why are you standing there comparing him to leftists? Because this is how the real radical leftists see him:

I could write you a book just about how badly Obama fucked up everything he did on the War on Terror, but you cannot deny that he did fight the War on Terror. For fucks sake, he even used the troop surge in Afghanistan that McCain said he wouldn’t - even if his pulling troops out of Iraq, despite all indications that they weren’t ready for it, created the power vacuum that allowed ISIS to rise. He’s a squeamish little bitch constantly trying to pick up a turd by the clean end, and that cost him time and time again (like the time he tried to be all taciturn and circumspect over having Osama killed, then bragged about killing Osama during his midterm election campaign.) But he’s not a radical leftist, because he killed brown people, and they just ain’t down with that, bro. He also deported more immigrants than any other US President in history. If you think leftists didn’t scream about that, just look at the WaPo trying their damndest to soften the blow. Or hell, just look at what the actual radical insane leftists say themselves: “The idea of white countries having borders is inherently racist.” Yes. Borders. Inherently racist. But only for whites. Brown people can kick us the fuck out - or murder Otto Warmbier - because of our fucking privilege, man. They need their safe spaces, even if that’s an entire country, so just deal, man, just deal!

You, as an alleged conservative, know all these things. You know the length and breadth of Obama’s fuckups and outright crimes. So why the hell do you start hurling demented slanders like a lunatic leftist, instead of making actual arguments, like a rational human being? Obama is many things, mostly bad, but he is not bug-fuck insane. He’s not calling for violence, the suppression of free speech with violence, or characterizing American sovereignty as inherently racist. So when someone stands there and says Obama would “murder an entire battle fleet just to fuck Trump,” it is exactly, exactly, the same kind of gibbering fucking lunacy exhibited by the left wing, like Phil Montag screaming that he wished Scalice had died in the shooting because those fuckin Republicans are takin our healthcare, man, so he deserves to be murdered. 

Listen to the video. LISTEN to the end of it, where another Democratic Party official tells him, to his face, that he recorded the whole thing and that he’s going to release it. There are still liberals and sane people in the Democratic Party who have not surrendered to the militant Left, and they do not approve or condone the lunatics calling for violence and murder.

But if they cross the aisle and all they meet are people screaming that Obama is a fucking nigger, Obama is a fucking Muslim, Obama wants to murder American soldiers and sailors and rape your daughter and burn your house down and turn America into a caliphate, they’re going to step back and decide that their own side is the lesser evil. Do you understand what I’m saying? The way the Left is right now - a bunch of screaming fucking lunatics powered by blind hate, driven by their conviction that everyone that doesn’t agree with them is an evil, racist Nazi bigot - that’s exactly what you look like to the sane liberals across the aisle when you conflate every Democrat with the insane, violent leftists. And a lot of the people in the Republican party who do this, do it because they’re not much better than leftists themselves - dogmatic assholes, idiots, the usual wastes of carbon that’d probably be screaming FUCK TRUMP #RESIST right now if they’d grown up with parents that voted Democrat instead of Republican. 

We are better than the Left for three reasons: one, we are actually in touch with reality, rather than basing our worldview on blind, fervent and zealous hatred of anyone espousing doctrine that goes against our Holy Writ. Two, we make arguments, and judge by arguments, because we give a fuck about the truth, instead of claiming that our feelz and idealz and burning Brooklyn Rage give us the right to have it all our way, and Three - and this is the big one - we are not dogmatic, tribal fucks who will tolerate any lying, thieving, raping monster in our midst just because he’s on “our side.” 

We police our own. 

Consider this policing. 

[discoursedumpster]

tw: child sexual abuse, rape, emotional abuse, suicide-baiting, transmisogyny 

I never do call-outs ‘cause they take forever, but this has to stop. 

@sleepdontvisit claims they’re on a campaign to root out “inclusionist pedophiles and pedophile apologists.” 

Instead, they almost exclusively target bi trans sexual abuse survivors, frequently flat-out lying about what those survivors have said. 

(In their whole call-out list, there’s only two people who aren’t trans. And the cis people only get called out for supporting “pedophile apologists,” they aren’t calling the cis people pedophiles.)

They consistently link to receipts that don’t support their statements, knowing that people won’t click through and read all that. 

Many of their call-outs have hundreds of notes, and have goaded exclusionists and even some inclusionists into sending anon hate, suicide-baiting, and death threats to inclusionists who are bi trans sexual abuse survivors. 

It’s not a coincidence that bi and trans people (especially trans women) are the ones that are most frequently stereotyped as sexual predators, in both the gay and straight communities. 

(DID U KNOW: Part of the reason that the acronym wasn’t “LGB” till the early 90s was that radical lesbians said bi men shouldn’t be allowed at Pride because they were rapists.) 

It might be relevant that sleepdontvisit seems to be very biphobic, saying things like, “Why are literally all of the big bisexual bloggers literally the most cringeworthy people I have ever encountered?”

there are two lesbians on their list, out of all the bi people. 

they’re both trans women. 

And now they’ve begun going around harassing trans inclusionist survivors who haven’t heard of their campaign, by implying that they’re “pedophile apologists” too if they haven’t called out these people yet. Or if they say that it’s not okay to call CSA survivors “pedophile apologists.” 

They guilt-trip and threaten anyone who won’t help them in their smear campaign, even discoursers who are calling out individual people already. They are goading exclusionists to harass these people. One of their victims has already deleted, that I know of. 

When one survivor called them out for things like posting content about pedophilia in the ace positivity tag, their response was to go through that person’s blog and list everyone they’d reblogged from who themselves had ever reblogged from one of the people on the list. Which may have been well-intended but comes off as intensely harassing. 

And then they falsely claimed that "ace/aro minors… are being told by adults that it’s ‘normal’ for children to be sexual, so it’s important for them to identify as asexual.”

(That person even said “If you’d like, I can give you a list of exclusionists that none of you are no-platforming (and one of which went hand-in-hand with discourseprincesa and doing just as much harm but is still being defended)” and instead of taking the information, they ignored it, and instead tagged another post to boast that inclusionists ignore callouts but exclusionists call out all their TERFs. I know for sure that one isn’t true, @allosexisterfs​ is mine and it contains a list of about 250 exclusionist TERFs, that sleepdontvisit hasn’t said a word about that I know of. BUT ANYWAY) 

If you care about survivors, please spread the word to no-platform sleepdontvisit, and to stop spreading their lies. 

This is loooooooooong because they have been targeting so many people. 

I will try to make it easy to read. 

I’m going to list each person separately, link to the receipt(s), and show why the person isn’t a “pedophile apologist”. In no particular order: 

memestealingasexual:

They are targeting biromantic, bi/demisexual, agender memestealingasexual/@thegenderlessbisexual​/@justqueerthoughts​/ @thekidsalreadyknow​ for supposedly associating with pedophile apologists. 

(This is one of only a couple people on the list where I don’t know if they’re a survivor. It’s none of anyone’s business obviously, it’s just that everyone else involved blogs very openly about being a survivor. And that’s important because they’re trying to sell the entire thing as being pro-survivor, when it actually involves attacking survivors.)

Their only receipt for this is that memestealingasexual talked to someone on Twitter who had also, in a separate conversation, told sleepdontvisit that some survivors look at loli stuff because they identify with it, instead of looking at it in a sexual way. 

Then they call this “a nice web of every big inclusive blog supporting and promoting pedophiles who consume child porn lmao!” 

robotbisexual (formerly theangrybi):

They are targeting bi trans and intersex CSA survivor @robotbisexual as a pedophile apologist. Their only receipt for it: an old call-out post where robotbisexual/theangrybi said “@leavesurvivorsalone is so fucking violent that without a single fucking example other than the fact that I think they’re violent, they come to me (a CSA survivor) and scream that I’m a pedophilia advocate… Also as a warning: they are apparently mobbing and viciously abusing and wishing harm on anyone who reblogs this post. Especially if you’re a CSA survivor. Please be careful.“ 

If you’re re-reading that, trying to figure out how robotbisexual became a “pedophile apologist” for saying that this person had "started a campaign to call everyone who disagrees with you (including multiple CSA survivors) ‘pedophilia supporters’”?/???????????????… don’t worry, so am I. 

wetwareproblem:

They are targeting bi trans woman CSA survivor @wetwareproblem because she responded to the claim of “pedophile apologist” by musing, “Hey, remember that time you faced off against half a dozen guys larger than you, while they were surrounding you and threatening to beat the shit out of you, because you were protesting in an attempt to have child rapists and pornographers charged and convicted? Good times.” 

They called this a “frankly irrelevant sob story” and said, “We get it, you’re the greatest martyr to ever martyr because you posted an unverifiable story on the internet where you’re completely anonymous.” 

Then they called her a pedophile apologist just for (allegedly) saying that pedophilia, which is in the DSM, was a mental illness. And followed it up with a list of demands, implying that if she doesn’t meet their demands to help them in their campaign, they will continue to target her for harassment too. 

rainfelt: 

She’s cis, but she’s still a bi non-CSA abuse survivor. They explicitly target @rainfelt​ solely because she defended one other person on this list. Their only receipt on her is her saying, “[People who believe sleepdontvisit] are losing a fantastic resource, and they’re losing it because they made the mistake of trusting [sleepdontvisit]. Which, one can’t help feeling, was exactly the plan.” 

socialjusticeichigo:

A multiromantic, ace, genderfluid blogger. The only receipt on them: they reblogged a post rebutting one of sleepdontvisit’s callouts. 

The rebuttal said things like “As a sexual abuse survivor who has worked in the mental health field, I have a really big problem with people pointing at sexual abuse survivors who explicitly state (as in the luchagcaileag link above!) that they have zero attraction to children and feel physically nauseous at the idea of exposing children to anything sexual, and that they have kinks that are obvious responses to their sexual abuse that they are using to try to heal from their sexual abuse, and saying ‘THIS PERSON WANTS TO RAPE KIDS AND ANYONE DEFENDING THEM IS JUST AS BAD.’”

They even pointed out that “everyone you are calling a pedophile apologist, or a pedophile, is a fucking sexual abuse survivor who is fighting pedophilia and child sexual abuse.”

This is not an example of @socialjusticeichigo being a “pedophile apologist.” 

But it does have an example of sleepdontvisit lying about what people are saying, in the rebuttal. (the lie: ”they’re literally saying ‘enjoy[ing] art of adults fucking children is just content people ASSOCIATE with pedophiles, they’re not actually pedophiles!! :)’”)

evilguacamole: 

Same exact thing actually, for @evilguacamole, except this blogger appears to be a cis bi guy. The sole receipt: that he reblogged that same rebuttal. 

This is starting to look like a personal vendetta. 

periegesisvoid/golbatgender:

Bi/trans/aro survivor and one of the people being targeted the most often by exclusionists.

This one is especially messed up. The first receipt is @periegesisvoid​ noting that they’re being harassed by @bipeoplearentyourpawns​, who then reblogs it to make fun of them. (And to implicitly acknowledge the other thing in the post, which is that bipeoplearentyourpawns suicide-baited @luchagcaileag​.)  

But of course that’s not what the receipt is for; I haven’t seen any exclusionists call out bipeoplearentyourpawns for consistent harassment and suicide-baiting. No, it’s somehow trying to claim that the problem here is… that this somehow implies that periegesisvoid is a pedophile apologist?? 

The second receipt is periegesisvoid suggesting to luchagcaileag that she should turn off anon, because of that same suicide-baiting. 

(The suicide-baiting isn’t just bipeoplearentyourpawns. It also comes from sleepdontvisit’s call-out efforts.) 

The third receipt is from periegesisvoid’s discourse sideblog, @golbatgender​. It’s a reblog of a list of variations on radfem rhetoric, such as SWERFs vs TWERFs, and the different positions each group holds. 

It points out that radfems like to say that all sex work is rape, that porn is rape, that prostitutes should be shot, that all kink is rape and abuse and pedophilia, that doms should be shot, and that all “Bad Ships” (ships that portray abuse) are rape and abuse and incest and pedophilia, and that “Bad Shippers” should kill themselves. 

This is still not pedophilia apologism. Saying that people make huge negative generalizations about sex work, porn, and “Bad Ships” is not saying that pedophilia, or even sexual abuse, are okay. 

vergess/intersex-ionality:

Another of their trans bi and intersex sexual abuse survivor targets, @vergess/@intersex-ionality, has already left tumblr after months of continuous targeted emotional abuse, from exclusionists trying to claim they were a “pedophile apologist.” Including suicide-baiting and death threats. 

sleepdontvisit clearly hasn’t noticed they’re gone, and continues to direct harassment their way. The receipts they link to explicitly call vergess a “pedophile apologist” for saying that it’s important to include not just pedophilia (technically just attraction to children), but ephebophilia (attraction to teens) in the definition of a "minor attracted person”. 

And for saying things like “if you can’t stop looking at [fictional and/or consensual sexual content], you are trapped in a cycle of self harm, and need to get outside help from parents, partners or doctors.”

They also specifically target them for statements like “Not all kink is sexual. Claiming that is a form of hypersexualization. Stop doing it.” How that is “pedophile apologism” is beyond me.

The same receipts also try to call them a “pedophile apologist” for saying that it’s possible to be a non-offending pedophile and to deserve to live, and for talking about how their abusers were not pedophiles, but were abusers who were looking for easy prey in the form of children. 

I understand why a lot of people don’t think anyone with pedophilic disorder deserves to live. 

What is unacceptable is that people who don’t believe non-offending pedophiles deserve to live are instead attacking survivors who say they do, and trying to get those survivors to kill themselves. 

If you do this, you can’t claim you are supporting survivors. Telling people to kill themselves, and even just sending anon hate, is emotional abuse. It is not okay to abuse survivors and pretend you’re defending them. 

courteousmingler:

According to their receipts, trans lesbian survivor @courteousmingler is a pedophile apologist for saying “as a victim of CSA myself, it makes me deeply uncomfortable that you see a cartoon depiction of a young girl and choose to immediately interpret it sexually. those images are of young girls singing, dancing, and having fun with one another in large poofy dresses- you projecting sexual themes onto those images is your decision, and it’s a disgusting one.” 

They also try to get her for, in their words, just “interacting” with someone who they happen to know has a shota/loli porn sideblog. The interaction is that person complimenting @courteousmingler on a long post, and her saying thank you. 

I guess if she didn’t want to be called a “pedophile apologist,” when someone complimented her she should have stopped and done some serious digging to see if she should even acknowledge them. Trans survivors, take note! 

(Interestingly, they also attack her for allegedly “target[ing] survivors to discredit them”. Which seems like total projection because that’s exactly what their entire campaign is.)

feminismandmedia:

Almost all of their mods are out sexual abuse survivors and about half of them are trans. sleepdontvisit is targeting all of them as a group, but especially singling out Bethany, (@bigballofwibblywobbly), one of the other two cis bi survivor on this list. Because when they told her she was still reblogging from “a lot of blogs associated with pedophiles,” and gave her receipts, she didn’t stop. As you can see from this post their receipts don’t demonstrate that people are associated with pedophiles???????

justonepurpose:

Their only receipt for this aspec trans blogger is that an anon said @justonepurpose “told Mod Des to just ignore being called a pedo apologist bc ‘im called that for being an inclusionist’”. No link to that, and no evidence for them actually being a pedophile apologist.

rey-is-ace-rey-is-aro: 

A, I think, quoiromantic or biromantic trans ace survivor. The only thing related to pedophilia in their receipt is that they reblogged something where @antiantis-saltmine said that “Drawing or writing anything involving minors and relatives, no matter how sexual, is completely legal as long as the characters are fictional.“ 

That sounds really bad, right? Unless you keep reading and see that they’re specifically talking about people attacking minors/survivors. And that that’s the entire point of @antiantis-saltmine: that CSA survivors get harassed and called pedophiles for reading about their own experiences. 

And, if you look at what else @rey-is-ace-rey-is-aro​ has to say about it, you might see their post about "antis” sending “actual live child-porn of real people to artists/CSA Survivors.” 

That’s what they’re responding to.  

luchagcaileag:

This is the one person that they manage to call out as actually reblogging child porn.

Their call-outs of @luchagcaileag​ are still problematic: they assume that several tags that don’t have child porn in them do, without checking. They list the statistics for sexual assault in the LGBT community and blame trans abuse survivors for those sexual assault rates, and then call them “freaks”.

But the main problem is that even if you don’t understand that a trans lesbian CSA survivor can reblog child porn to vent and have “No interest to speak of in actual children, though, which is something I’m glad for”… even if you think that she’s just a pedophile in denial…

the result of sleepdontvisit’s callouts is NOT that people are reporting or blocking this person, it’s that they’re sending messages like “trans girl who likes lolicon = naw your just a greasy man pretended to be a woman so people will excuse your pedophilia,” “I hope someone rapes you to death,” and “🔪Slit ya wrists ho🔪”.

This is the kind of thing the survivors on this list are getting from people buying into sleepdontvisit’s campaign. En masse.

tirediscourse:

@tirediscourse is a cis bi grey-ace non-csa abuse survivor. The only receipt for her shows that she’s on the “pedophile apologist” list because… she believes it’s possible for non-offending pedophiles to exist, and she doesn’t want to follow someone who doesn’t believe that and who says that it’s not okay for survivors to read fic about their experiences.

antiantis-saltmine:

This entire blog is run by 5 sexual abuse survivors, three of whom are out as both trans and bi/pan I believe. The receipt on them has them supporting a sexual abuse survivor, who doesn’t experience sexual attraction to anyone, who reads stories about rape and child sexual abuse because it resonates with their experiences, and is upset that they get pressured to repeatedly come out as a survivor if they don’t want to be harassed about it. 

It also seems as usual to be targeting them for saying that non-offending pedophiles can exist, and that pedophilia is a mental illness. And for saying that if a character is a pedophile in canon it’s okay to say that character is a pedophile, which is hardly a ringing endorsement. 

Again, do not attack sexual abuse survivors who think pedophilia is a mental illness. Attacking survivors for thinking pedophilia is a mental illness only hurts SURVIVORS. 

tenitchyfingers: 

A possibly-cis aroace trauma survivor. The receipt says they “think pedo jokes are funny.” It links to a single “pedobear joke” post, where in the notes @tenitchyfingers says, “Pedobear was not a joke at the expense of CSA victims, it was at the expense of pedophiles and the concept of pedophilia itself.” 

Then it says they support “shipping minors with adults,” but the only receipt it gives for that is a reblog of a survivor shipping a character who’s minor in canon solely as an adult. 

vaspider:

Another bi trans abuse survivor. This one was mentioned in a separate post, and didn’t make it to the new call-out list. Maybe because their only receipt was that @vaspider​ liked a post where @autismserenity​ said “It’s okay to unfollow me”.

This is purely an attempt to create an atmosphere of fear among inclusionists, and especially among survivors: “watch out whose posts you like, or you’ll end up on my list getting suicide-baited!”

repstar3:

A self-identified pedophile who is not involved in ace discourse and has been consistently attacked by both sides.

autismserenity:

The reason that repstar3 is on the list. This bi trans abuse survivor first made the list of “pedophile apologists” for pointing out the months-long trend of exclusionists calling trans CSA survivor inclusionists “pedophile apologists,” which sleepdontvisit has now intentionally brought to a boiling point.

Next it was for explaining the difference between how an abuse survivor engages with child porn, and how a pedophile does.

Then they really screwed up: repstar3 told them that child porn had been how he’d kept himself from abusing anyone in person before he got into treatment, and they believed him. It emerged that of course, he was sending nudes to minors who asked for them, as young as 14. On the other hand, autismserenity wrote several thorough posts about why this was not okay, deleted repstar3′s posts, and apologized to a survivor who felt they were being spoken over.

Most recently, it was for reblogging a post that debunked a callout post for @roachpatrol (who as far as I know isn’t involved in the discourse). I’m not sure how this is supposed to be pedophilia apologism, since the callout was debunked.

in conclusion: 

sleepdontvisit’s call-out campaign is incredibly harmful to CSA survivors, and is blatantly targeting the bi and trans communities, people who are already smeared as predators. 

It’s blatantly trying to play on people’s underlying belief that these groups are predatory. It’s deliberately encouraging people to harass and abuse survivors, in the hopes of silencing bi and trans discoursers and discrediting inclusionists. And it’s full of lies.