#ngl i prefer queerbait ships....
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#spn#bbc sherlock#bbc merlin#spn is a complex case#this is genuinely a joke#while spn did use queerbait tactics it's also true that destiel is canon#one thing doesn't negate the other#nbc hannibal#hannigram#destiel#merthur#johnlock#ngl i prefer queerbait ships....#canon queer rep is AMAZING but there's crack in queerbait ships#not natural
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Just see this in twitter by someone :
"Why do people read shonen for subtextual doomed yaoi click bait when X exists and you don’t have to pretend?"
"I'm starting to think maybe people should read actual BL manga. perhaps considering manga written with actual gay characters in it in addition to shipping m x m from whatever battle shounen you're into."
Like because of those subtext, there can be fanfics and fanarts, right? And then I decided to read your fics and this blog of yours are the best...
okay, so... there are so many things in those tweets i have issues with lol
the first being the judgment and policing. both tweets u shared w/ me have those vibes and i h8 those the most, in fandom space AND irl. just... why? let ppl enjoy what they what. I'm all about recommendations but not w/ this sort of disdain and condescension... they're just unnecessary.
the second is kinda related to the first in that it's all about preferences and circumstances... should be more open-minded and consider that, maybe, ppl LIKE actions and mysteries and whatever and the shipping is a side gig... we just happen to like the relationship dynamics between some characters within these media and we ship them.
honestly, ppl really, really need to learn to just not be bothered by what other people like.
the third thing being NOT EVERYTHING WITH INTENSE SAME SEX FRIENDSHIP IS QUEERBAITING. there are nuances to relationships beyond the typical heteronormative, allonormative, and amatonormative ones.
ngl but i never really understood why ppl thought some anime or drama are queerbaiting when friendships and kinships are just as intense, maybe even MORE intense than romance. and not everything is romance either, jesus christ... just because a relationship or a dynamic doesn't neatly fit with their version of how relationships work doesn't mean the creators are queerbaiting... relationships are so saturated with cultural and traditional nuances, even languages! and they can be very situational as well. idk why ppl insist on examining relationships from such narrowed lenses.
well, sorry about that... i just get really upset when i see that sort of bullshit discourse ya know? hence why im not on twt anymore lol
anyway, i totally agree with what u say about the subtext leaving rooms for fanfics and fanarts!!!
personally, it's what's left unsaid that motivates me to create fanwork!! it's the potential we could play around with that's interesting <3
don't be bothered by those tweets (if u were, that is)... their judgement of ur preferences doesn't say anything about u but reflect WHO THEY ARE so just enjoy what ur like to ur fullest <3
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Shipping Asks
6. Do you have a certain kind of ship you’re more attracted to?
12. What drives you away from a ship?
13. Is there anything you ship but refuse to interact with the community for?
17. Are there any popular ships that you just don’t like? What are they?
19. Do you prefer fluff, angst, or smut for your ships?
26. What are your favorite shipping scenes?
Thanks for the ask! ❤❤❤
6. Do you have a certain kind of ship you’re more attracted to?
My first instinct is to reply “the queer ones” XD but other than that, I think I’m drawn to ships that have a lot of intensity between them in canon. I’m not really the kind of person to high-key ship any pairings that are entirely fanon-based, as a rule; I need to be invested in their relationship in canon. With Drarry, for example, I didn’t ship them when I read the books, but once I got into the fandom I realised just how intense their interactions in canon are (I mean? Sectumsempra? RoR? The Malfoy Manor scene?) and I couldn’t stop thinking about them. Same with Catradora (they CAN’T be chill around one another, jesus, they’re helpless), Sheith (every time they talked or even looked at each other I was at the edge of my seat), Bubbline (they had me at I’m Just Your Problem ngl), Entrapdak (love me some good 'character who feels unlovable and can’t trust anyone finds someone that actually cares about them'), Simon/Betty (seriously if you’re an Adventure Time fan you KNOW what’s up), Ellie/Riley from TLOU (my heart still fucking hurts okay??) and a long, long etc.
12. What drives you away from a ship?
Already answered 😁
13. Is there anything you ship but refuse to interact with the community for?
Already answered too 😊
17. Are there any popular ships that you just don’t like? What are they?
Hmm 🤔 obviously there are a lot of popular ships that I don’t like because I’m not in the fandom and don’t know who they are, but some popular ships in my fandoms I don’t like are Grindeldore, Neville/Luna, Princess Bubblegum/Finn the Human, Klance, Aloy/absolutely anyone (from Horizon: Zero Dawn), Pearl/Amethyst... and I’m sure I’m forgetting some, lol. Oh! I also watched BBC Sherlock and the queerbaiting was so obvious it made me not ship Sherlock and Watson at all, lol.
19. Do you prefer fluff, angst, or smut for your ships?
ALL OF IT. Absolutely all of it. I can’t choose 😂
26. What are your favorite shipping scenes?
As in canon scenes, or as in scenes I love the most in fic? I’m gonna go with the second option because I can’t choose just one canon scene for all my ships XD I love confession scenes so much. I love the knowledge finally downing on them that the other is in love... the thrill of tentative/intense/rushed/desperate first kisses/touches/sex scenes... 😍
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destiel
when of if I started shipping it: do I though? DO I??? XDD (Dean is my Schrödinger fave and my feelings for a couple of his ships go down the same path lol). I guess the answer is, I don’t really know LOL. All through s4 their scenes were very impactful but I was resisting it; then the endverse, aka post-apocalypic AU with their future versions interacting with present!Dean came and hit me in the face. So there.
my thoughts: it’s a far more interesting dynamic that I’d expected it to be. And the queerbaiting is... wild. Like I objectively knew there was queerbaiting but like. Dean makes him a mixtape at some point?? What kind of 80s romcom bullshit is that xDD. I have a lot of issues with this fanbase, but sometimes I can understand why they went a little feral ngl.
What makes me happy about them: like I said, their dynamic is interesting lol. It’s not very charitable of me, but I have to say that’s not what I usually find whenever I’m face to face with Migratory Slash Fandom phenomenon. I can actually understand the ~hype for this one instead of just being... baffled and dismissive lmao.
What makes me sad about them: I’m spoiled of things down the road that I know will sour the ship for me beyond repair, so there’s that.
things done in fanfic that annoys me: I haven’t read any fic, but my guess is that it’d probably be about characterization. Just in tumblr over the years I’ve seen a tendency to defang Castiel and woobify Dean, and both those things would annoy the hell out of me.
things I look for in fanfic: when I eventually look, I’m guessing the first thing I’ll go for is Endverse angsty stuff xD (after I write my own, to avoid ~cross-contamination ofc.
My kinks: well, the show favours dom!Castiel and who am I to contradict it xDD (like, he’s one of those characters where the actor physically does nothing for me, but then he gets intimidating/dommy and the scene itself is always sexy, it’s a fact xDD).
Who I’d be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other: well, my preferred Castiel ship is actually Megstiel lol. And I enjoy him with Anna, Sam, Crowley, potentially more rareships... The only other Dean ship I’ve had feels-feels more (AND also a love-hate relationship with lol) is Deanbela, so there’s that (I have a Thing for Anna/Castiel + Dean but that’s another story).
My happily ever after for them: eh. I don’t think you can have a happy ending with someone that treats your son the way Dean did Jack, especially when Castiel seems to be kept in the dark from it. So from season... 13 I think? onwards, I just don’t think it’s in the cards *shrugs*.
#replies#talking to the void#my thoughts#spn thoughts#supernatural#again not knowing what to tag this as lol#the curse of having conflictive feelings about something#destiel#castiel#dean winchester#Anonymous
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Was tagged by @supernaturaldevoted thank you!
1. When did you start watching Supernatural?
December 2017. It was an accident, I swear. I used to be really into Overwatch (before uni took over my gaming life (I dont play anymore)) and I came across this post. At first I thought it was like Dr. Who or something, I didn't know. So I reverse image searched it on Google, and found Supernatural. I found out it was on Netflix, and watched the pilot. I was scared, but didn't think it was anything special. But then Jess burned. And then at Sam's "we have work to do" line, I was sold.
(And then I sat through 7 seasons trying to spot the scene that was in the gif that started it all.)
2. Who is your favorite in TFW?
Castiel, easily. That isn't to say I dont like Sam and Dean though. I love all of them. All of them. I just have a preference for Cas
3. Who is your least favorite in TFW?
Stop.
4. Tag your top 5 Supernatural blogs.
@aloha-cowgirl @malevolent-dean @alexander8calvert @bisexualdemondean @dimples-of-discontent
5. Who is your favorite character (not including TFW)?
I lump Gabriel into tfw 2.0, so i'm gonna go with Garth
6. Who is your favorite woman in Supernatural?
Claire. I love Claire so much, but i'm probably biased b/c I'm a huge Kathryn Newton fan.
7. John or Mary?
Uhhh I loved Matt Cohen's Michael!John, but I've had more time to love Mary
8. What were your first opinions of Sam, Dean, Cas, and Jack?
Sam: I was genuinely worried about him not making it back to his interview on time. I just wanted him to be alright.
Dean: I wanted him to be my older brother ngl. He just cares so much, and I loved that about him.
Cas: "Holy shit that's Castiel. Oh my god that's his voice?" (I thought he would lose the voice and the trench coat over time. He did neither.)
Jack: I just wanted him to be good so bad. I was so relieved when he turned out to be an actual bean.
9. What’s your favorite season?
Season 12, probably. I didn't like the whole BMOL thing, but 12 has a ton of my favorite episodes (Stuck in the Middle (With You), Lily Sunder has Some Regrets, Baby, All Along the Watchtower)
10. What’s your least favorite season?
Season 7. There's just... not a lot there? Leviathan weren't as big of a threat as I thought, and there was a substantial lack of Cas.
11. Opinions on Destiel?
Oh god, it's taken over my life. I love it, I really do, because you know what? It's so goddamn sweet, and soft, and romantic, but at the same time it's tough, it's gritty, and it's just two guys trying their best under almost impossible circumstances. And at the end of the day, when the world is safe, they deserve each other. They've earned some semblance of peace, which they can find in each other. No one understands Castiel like Dean does and vice versa. They're a match made in hell and they're perfect for one another. I just want them to be happy
12. Do you believe Supernatural queerbaits?
Well, to some extent yes, but not on purpose.
13. Seasons 1-7 or 8-14?
8-14. Maybe it's because there's more Cas, or maybe it's the character development. Maybe it's just personal preference.
14. Favorite villain (plot wise)?
Lucifer from s4-5. In case any of you didn't know, I used to adore Lucifer when I first watched the show. He was my favorite character when I was watching seasons 4-5, (like almost toppled Cas for 1st place favorite). I really liked Lucifer. When they brought him back officially in season 11 I was ecstatic. Then they kept him in 12, but his personality wasn't the same. Then 13. It just really ruined the character for me, and I wish they just let him get his closure in 11 before ending his storyline completely. But no. They just. Kept. Bringing. Him. Back. And now he's like a whole different character entirely. I hate it. I miss old Lucifer :( Sorry for the rant
15. Do you think they should end the Lucifer plot line?
Lucifer is dead, so technically it's already over. But I would be really upset if they brought him back if that answers that question.
16. Who do you think has gone through more trauma (Sam, Dean, or Cas)?
It's not a contest.
17. What’s your favorite Supernatural episode?
It's a tie between Stuck in the Middle (With You) (12x12) and Lazarus Rising (4x01)
18. Do you like case episodes?
Yes. It reminds me of Old Supernatural, and it's just nice to see the boys helping people no matter what. End of the world be damned that lady has a poltergeist and hell, if they aren't gonna help her who will?
19. Who do you relate most to in TFW?
Dean. I dont know if it's the music, the cars, billiards, humor, cowboy obsession, or being a closeted bisexual, but we've got a lot in common.
20. Why do you like Supernatural?
It's such a unique show. When I first joined the fandom, and I saw the tag SPN family, I was like haha sure. But once I got involved, holy hell. Absolutely no fandom is like the Supernatural fandom. Yes we may have our differences in opinions, ships, characters, but everyone here loves this show. And I love everyone here. It really does feel like a family. This is kind of the same reason I adore the show. The theme of found family, and the way that Team Free Will will always find a better way because that's what they do. I love this fucking show and I love this fandom. Thank you
21. If you could bring back one character and kill off another who would they be?
G o o d b y e N i c k. I would like one (1) Gabriel back please
Tagging @aloha-cowgirl @malevolent-dean @moosesquirrelandwings @cas-you-assbutt-dean-needs-you @trenchcoatsandfreckles and whoever else wants to play
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Star Trek asks: ALL OF THEM
1. Top 3 favorite female characters?
Jadzia Dax
Ro Laren
Guinan
2. Top 3 favorite male characters?
Dr McCoy
Spock
Picard
3. Top 3 least favorite characters?
Dr Pulaski
Kai Winn
Eddington
4. Favorite alien species?
Klingon (I may own a Bat’Leth that may or may not be hanging on my wall)
5. Episode plot you wish they had handled differently?
Basically all of S7 DS9 and The Outcast (TNG)
6. Character you feel a show could have done without?
Pulaski. She was awful and added literally nothing to the show.
7. Who would make up your crew dream team?
McCoy, Spock, Picard, Barclay, Dax, and Worf.
8. Which captain would you most want to serve under?
Picard
9. Which episode plot do you prefer?
a. Time traveling to the past or dealing with time travelers from the future?
b. Going undercover to spy on enemies or going undercover to explore pre-warp planets?
c. Holodeck malfunction or space anomaly?
d. Ship being taken over or being stranded on a planet?
e. Rapid aging or de-aging?
f. Diplomatic negotiations or all out battle?
10. Which alien pet would you most want for your own?
Cardassian Riding Hound
11. Top 3 OTPs?
Gashir
Worf/Jadzia
Scotty/Uhura
12. Top 3 NOTPs?
Kira/Odo
Picard/Vash
Worf/Troi
13. A ship you wish had been canon and why?
Gashir. Having an actual gay couple that wasn’t just queerbaiting or “Bury Your Gays”
14. A ship you wish hadn’t been canon and why?
Odo and Kira. The whole thing was just so forced and weird and no. Just no. And Odo spending a creepily long time pining over Kira like a weirdo was so... gross.
15. Top 3 favorite alien crewmembers?
Spock
Jadzia
Worf
16. If you could steal the basic plot of an episode for one show and apply to another which would you choose?
Really any of the Mirror stuff applied to TNG. I’m so annoyed we didn’t get any Mirror Picard.
17. What role would you have aboard a starship?
If I lived in the Trek verse, why the fuck would I join Starfleet when you can travel space on your own??
18. If you had to fight a character who would you choose?
Maddox. I want to punch that asshole in his stupid face.
19. You can undo one plot point, which do you choose?
All the Pah Wraith shit with Dukat.
20. Which piece of technology do you wish existed in reality?
Replicators.
21. What kind of stories do you hope the new show does?
Some Star Trek ones would be nice. I don’t know what garbage they think they’re doing, but that train wreck isn’t Star Trek.
22. Would you rather serve on a starship or a space station?
Neither.
23. Favorite tropes?
I’m skipping this one.
24. Which character do you relate to the most?
Reg Barclay
25. Favorite villain(s)?
Gul Dukat. He’s my precious garbage angel.
26. Which alien hybrid offspring are you most interested in seeing?
I really wanted Worf and Jadzia to get a family together.
27. What do you wish they had handled differently?
All of S7 of DS9, or as we call it - the bad ending.
28. Character(s) you want to cosplay as?
T’Pau
29. Favorite and least favorite episodes?
Favourite - Civil Defense (DS9)
Least Favourite - Sub Rosa (TNG)
30. Something you wish you could delete from canon?
Pulaski.
31. A crossover with another show/movie/book/ect, that you’d want to see?
I’d really just like Galaxy Quest and Orville to be ST Canon
32. F/M/K.
Dukat/Barclay/Pulaski
33. Whose twitter feed would you most want to follow?
Data. I think it would be endlessly entertaining.
34. What do you think *insert character*’s tumblr would be full of?
Garak’s secret tumblr would just be a lot of fashion reblogs, vague blogging shade about friends and coworkers, and odd posts that may or may not be coded spy messages (but who’s to say, really?)
35. A minor character you wish had become a main character?
Reg and Garak. They are in surprisingly few episodes.
36. A social issue you hope the new show tackles and how?
I hope the new show fucks off forever. Can it cover that?
37. Character A and Character B get into a fight, who wins?
ngl, watching anyone try to fight Data is funny af.
38. *Insert crew here* is thrown back in time to *insert time period here*, how do they handle it, which fashion trends do they pick up, who threatens the timeline the most, who is saddest when they have to leave, who is most knowledgeable, who stands out the most, ect?
Look, just watch the episode of the Orville that covers this.
39. You have to relocate to a planet other than Earth, which do you choose?
Risa
40. If you got a trek inspired tattoo what would it be?
I have two. Leonard Nimoy signed my arm and I had it tattooed on, and I also have “live long”/”and prosper” tattooed along the sides of my middle and ring ringers.
41. Which episode(s) creeped out/scared you the most?
Spider Reg in Genisis was fucked up.
42. Which episode(s) made you cry?
The end of Wrath of Khan makes me cry every time.
43. Order of shows from most to least favorite?
TOS
TNG
DS9
Orville
Galaxy Quest
TAS
44. If *insert crew* ended up in the modern day what would amaze them the most?
Well, the fact that the Eugenics wars didn’t happen would probably come as a shcok.
45. Which alien culture would you most want to live in/would feel most comfortable?
Trill maybe.
46. If they rebooted *insert show here* who out of modern day actors would you pick to play the main characters?
STOP. REBOOTING. SHIT.
47. An unpopular opinion you have?
Disco is garbage and it’s not Star Trek.
48. Sort the crew of *insert show here* into Hogwarts houses.
I’m just going with TOS, TNG, and DS9 and I’ll do as many as I feel like.
Gryffindor - Kirk, Scotty, Riker, Worf, Sisko, Kira, Nog
Ravenclaw - McCoy, Spock, Uhura, Picard, Jadzia, Odo, Julian
Hufflepuff - Sulu, Chekov, Crusher, Data, Geordi, Reg, Jake, Rom
Slytherin - Chapel, Troi, Wesley, Garak, Dukat, Quark
49. A favorite ST fic?
I don’t really have one.
50. A random headcanon?
Garak absolutely has that secret tumblr and it is SO SALTY.
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2 & 8(teen wolf) for fandom discourse
2. Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP?
ngl i’m usually That Bitch who ships the most popular pairing (i.e. marvel -> stucky, teen wolf-> sterek, hobbit-> bagginshield) but if Sciles is considered popular, let’s go with that one (even tho i prefer most of my fics with as little scott as possible)
8. Unpopular opinion about Teen Wolf?
I feel like most of my opinions about it are shared by a lot of people (and i’m sure you know them all too), but my hatred for Jeff Davis and Tyler Posey has no limits, and the show should definitely not have gone on for 6 (technically 8?) seasons. Also, the queerbaiting was through the fucking roof, and forcing your own actors to stop talking about a certain ship that a lot of people (including said actors) like is disgusting and vile.
Questions designed to make you hate me
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