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Daredevil is over but we got a chance there could be some kind of something kastle in season 2 of punisher right? But then the big glaring omission of Frank completely from season 3 when karen was nearly getting killed repeatedly after he moved heaven an earth to save her at the hotel, seems like they may be making sure to shut down Kastle'ers completely. What you think?

Hey, I’m sorry this is late and obviously now it has been officially confirmed that DAW will be in Season 2, so we know for sure we will indeed get something.

Though I will say that personally, I’m not expecting much. If for nothing else than the fact that it will not have been written or filmed with it being the end in mind. DAW’s comment about there being ‘more to tell’ is in line with that. It’s a could be, and will now remain a could be, I think. I think if they knew it was the end, it may have been different. But I don’t expect the Kastle relationship to really move forward, or progress. I expect it to be much of the same, which is this awesome blend of seriously established importance and something. So that’s where I’m at right now.Having said all that, while I’m basically fucking heartbroken at the cancellation and don’t expect too much, it doesn’t mean I’m not hyped for it. Kastle has existed in the nuances. It’s the power of the quiet and the intensity of their stare and has always been this totally unexpected huge and unique thing out of such otherwise normal moments. And I think Punisher has given has more than we could have ever dreamed already. So much of Kastle is canon. They’re something, something they take with them into their lives, their days even without each other. They’ve impressed this place for themselves as individuals and as a together, into each other and it marks and they carry it. That’s all already there. I don’t think either show has been subtle or lacking in that and it can’t just be erased, no matter what does or doesn’t happen in Season 2. She’s there. That’s what matters, too, I think.To your real question regarding DD3, I don’t think that was shutting down Kastle at all. Or, actually, I’ll rephrase. I don’t think it had anything to do with Frank Castle at all. I think simply, he is not a DD character (anymore). Different showrunners, different writers, all prioritising their own characters and the relationships of the individual show.I think DD3 was about the trio of DD characters and that’s it. I think they especially wanted to strip back to the basics of the dynamics of that trio after criticism and the complications of certain storylines before DD3.I think the lack of Frank Castle in DD3, and the lack of all the Defenders to be fair (a whole bunch of folks who should have given a damn that Matt was back, enough to be popping up) was completely because it is not their show and they are not the focus and the showrunner/writer wasn’t going to tell those stories over the relationships of the show itself.And I think that’s the problem you have when you have 1 universe, but a bunch of different shows, with different showrunners and writers. No one is going to put not-their-characters before their own. The cameos work fine because they’re fun and they link, but when there’s a real debate about the involvement of some of those characters in each others lives, I think there’s problems. I think we first saw that with Claire, whom originally was so established with DD characters, but then was placed first and foremost on other shows and so when Defenders happened there was a big wtf there. And I think we saw that with Kastle because that relationship is two different characters on different shows. Matt Murdock’s story no longer involves Frank Castle. Foggy Nelson’s story no longer involves Frank Castle. And DD3, minus flashbacks, wasn’t Karen’s whole life, it was her life within the crossing story of Matt and Foggy.I think it was poorly done and it was very obvious something was missing, but I also understand why the folks of DD would put DD characters first. Remember DAW’s comment about how she had to remind them ‘I know you weren’t there but I just went through this big thing’ before filming? They had to be told that because that was not their focus, it was not their story, or their character.

To be fair, Matt nor Foggy are mentioned in The Punisher, you know? Because it was not their show. The difference is Punisher was Frank at the centre, and we could imagine unsaid, unseen things happening in Karen’s life (like maybe she saw Foggy one of those nights after everything) so it got away with that lack in a way I don’t think DD3 did.But I really don’t think it was about shutting down Kastle at all. In fact, I think what was to me, the utter lack of romantic Karen and Matt and instead such focus on each friendship dynamic in that trio, would be encouraging for the possibility of Kastle. And I think if there was intent to shut down Kastle, they would have really done it. Again though, in the same vein that they weren’t telling a Kastle story, I don’t think they were speaking on behalf of it either. I think a lot was sort of implied without saying anything, like us going ‘where the fuck is Frank?’, but I think that’s a consequence of them putting DD characters first, not an intended statement about Frank or Kastle, two things that are ultimately now of another show. The DD3 Frank mention was purely of Frank’s involvement in DD2. “I didn’t judge Frank” (”Frank, I can’t judge you”) and Matt’s restating that he sees Frank as a killer. No mention of anything Frank post-DD2, you know?I hope Season 2 gives explanation to the lack of Frank in DD3, like he’s totally inaccessible and couldn’t be there (like DD3 having Matt being bedridden and so explaining why he couldn’t be there even though someone was going after Karen in Punisher). But on the other hand, like with DD, that’s not really on the writers of Punisher to explain. Again, it’s the issue with 1 universe but multiple shows. Arrowverse has the same problems sometimes where shit is going down and really, given relationships with people on other shows it’s like ehh, wouldn’t such and such be looking in right about now? Different shows with different characters with writers and showrunners that put their own characters first.It was disappointing as fuck. Seriously. Every episode I was hoping he’d somehow, someway turn up. But I also didn’t take it as any opinion or hint to the future of Kastle. Just that it was about the trio.Again, so sorry this was so late. I hope my ramble at least sorta answered your question? Ha.