#ml truth spoilers

[is-nino-actually-luka]

I've decided to go back to my roots and reveal the truth about secret identities in Miraculous Ladybug again because I think I might have found some compelling evidence that Ladybug = Gabriel Agreste

[theluckiestlb]

girl...WHEN??? WHERE????

what are you talking about???? when you kept him isolated for 14 years??? when you robbed him of bodily autonomy???? when you exposed him to his mother's corpse to akumatize him, TWICE????

wait, wait—OH you mean when he was terrified for his life, literally begging you to stop after you beat him up. my bad.

no? OH, you mean when you forced him to leave the country and the love of his life.

Huh.

[buggachat]

show!adrien would NEVER call a woman a "bitch". movie!adrien on the other hand....

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Movie!Gabriel saw Adrien as his son.

Show!Gabriel saw Adrien as a keepsake of Emilie.

This isn’t speculation, this is not a headcanon.

It is 100% fact.

The show writers may say otherwise, but that means nothing because it’s not what is conveyed.

[monpetitchattriste]

And at the end of it all Chat understood that she couldn't tell the truth about what really happened. He didn't pressure her to relive the horrors she went through. She doesn't ask him to relieve the horrors he went through

In the end it was just them to comforting each other and knowing that was they both needed in that moment.

You can see at the being when Chat is asking her about Monarch he clenches his fist because is angry this person took everything from him. And he wasn't there to stop it from happening.

But then LB motions for him to join her and he does. And in the moment he understood that there are many things he will probably just never know and that is okay because he trusts Ladybug.

He knows that she sometimes has to keep things from him for his safety and the safety of others.

And that will just have to be okay for them

Because they love and trust each other soooo much.

[eightofpents]

thinking about how Marinette and Gabriel are the same

and how Nathalie is going to be uniquely positioned to be able to see that from within the narrative

i wanna see season 6 Nathalie project Gabriel onto Ladybug. i wanna see her fall in to old habits to both her and Marinette's detriment.

and i wanna see her recognize the worst aspects of Gabriel in Marinette and guide her away from them

[piromina]

huge props to marinette for spinning up that lie so fast and on the spot, too. I thought I was good but damn. of course she must have had a general idea of what she was going to say to adrien beforehand going off of gabriel's "make me look good" and her own love telling her that the truth would hurt adrien even more, but that's just a very vague idea. she could not have possibly spun up that entire story of a lie in her head beforehand with all that was going on - dealing with all the truths coming in one after the other, the crying, the emotional trauma, getting the kwamis back -

and of course, there's adrien. he is one of the highest things on her list of priorities, his safety being the first thing she needs to take care of. the problem is, she doesn't know how. the only thing she can do in that situation is lie. a small lie. just one to make it better for now and then she can make it a long-term lie later. make sure no one else finds out.

and once she started telling the lie, once the first words were out of the mouth, it was all improvisation. her next words showed up in her head as she was going, spinning up a believable story, just good enough to be taken as the truth. she rambled - a rookie mistake for liars - but you couldn't blame her. she's a professional liar, almost, with her superhero identity, but this one is different. just one hour after learning the truth she had to cover up all this with no warning beforehand.

she couldn't tell adrien the truth. but she couldn't do much to comfort him either. ladybug couldn't tell him something only marinette knows.

she had to lie. she had to come up with something on the spot. those words would haunt her for the rest of her life - that lie was all she could think about for the next couple of months because she had to make it work. she had to keep the truth and make everything work out. it wasn't a big deal. she just had to tell adrien something, anything that would comfort him! what would comfort him about his father? what would convince him that he was a good guy this whole time? that he was a, a, a hero! yes, she would tell him that. it was a white lie! she wasn't a bad person! she just had to tell adrien that his father was a hero so that he would never have to know the truth and suffer like she did. he was a hero.

was.

once that word came out of her mouth, there was no going back.

[katalist]

I had some thoughts on the finale.

[australet789]

Can't believe the London Special is going to be

"Yeah, Marinette had to lie to Adrien about his dad being a terrorist because the kid is still not mentally stable enough to handle the truth and he fucked destroyed the world once again"

[ninadove]

This is how their conversation went, right?

[thecapturedafrique]

When you’re reading the latest chapter of @coffeebanana’s awesome fic everything i know (brings me back to us) and suddenly realize that Marinette lying about Gabe to Adrien at the end of S5 is just a repeat of the scarf incident in S1:

[is-nino-actually-luka]

don't know if it's been pointed out but in the paris special, when we look at marinette's computer, only luka and nino are online... coincidence? I THINK NOT

Looks like Marinette wasn't the only one messaging themself that night.

[lunar-fey]

sorry in advance for the person i will become when missing link comes out. btw

[wield-the-mighty-pen]

If the person in the end of the episode turns out to be Amelie instead of Emilie, can I just say how much more messed up that would make the ending?!?!

Gabriel at the end, talks a big game about how much he regrets his past actions, about how he lost himself. But then after all this, he still makes the wish, a wish that we aren’t made privy to the exact nature of.

Gabriel, practically during the entire show, has spoken of how he misses Emilie, of how he wants her to return. However, the way he behaves right before he makes the wish seems to imply that he wish would be made for Adrien’s benefit.

The show purposely makes it ambiguous as to whether or not Gabriel wished for him to replace Emilie or for him to join Emilie, with Nathalie taking his place.

The very fact that Nathalie does come back would seem to implicate the latter, as her life would have needed to be exchanged for something as well.

If it is Amelie at the pool party and Gabriel did indeed make a wish to join Emilie, that would only prove further just how selfish and negligent of a father he really was. All Gabriel was looking out for was his own interests. He didn’t care if Adrien still had someone around to care for him, he couldn’t even bother to try to fill the role himself.

If Gabriel didn’t bring back Emilie, all the ending showed was that he learned nothing, he’s still an awful and abusive parent, and he received a redemption from Paris that he didn’t actually deserve.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

Alright I’m gonna say it.

I know people defending the finale of season 5 reason for Adrien not being there have the main defense of “Chat Blanc and Ephemeral” as why story wise Adrien shouldn’t have been involved in the final confrontation.

Not only do I think those are weak arguments, Season 5 has so many different conditions from the other two seasons, including the growth of Marinette and Adrien. Plus with Gabriel dying that’s a whole new variable to be considered. The situational variables don’t line up as a proper explanation. It’s a shoddy reasoning at best.

But the nail in the coffin of the arguments are the fact that Gabriel got the wish.

In both ephemeral and Re-creation he got his wish.

And y’all are telling me that Adrien being involved would have made things worse?

Nah, sorry. I don’t buy it.

(But Adrien could be controlled)

Yes, and it would make it BETTER!

Imagine the final fight, Adrien being forced to fight bug noire.

Oh the angst! The suspense.

So many things for this finale that could have been done. But weren’t.

The only reason I can THINK that has any merit to having Adrien not be involved is for drama later, but it’s not really set up for that and until season 6 is out and shows potential of it… it’s straight up Copium.

[aliciedraws]

Ml Recreation spoilers

I know there’s a ton of ambiguity and unanswered questions, but I will believe it will all be addressed in the new season. I refuse to jump on the hate right now about people calling the season finale terrible 😭. Yea the show is definitely flawed and the storytelling could use serious improvement, but I never had high expectations in the first place so I’m just happy with what crumbs were given lmao

Bug Noir is 👏🏻

Tikki and Plaggs true form was 👏🏻

Bug noir did not hesitate to whoop his ass for good 👏🏻

Please more adrien/CN in season 6 please please please pleassseeeee