#misunderstood bad boy!!!

[each-uisge-enthusiast]

the modern villainisation of demeter will never cease to enrage me bc it wasn’t ENOUGH to just take a story of a girl being torn from her home from everyone who loved her and dragged away to be forced into marriage and twist and corrupt it until it was a romance story about female empowerment that wasn’t ENOUGH they HAD to take the original hero of the story the mother who went to every length to find her daughter again to bring her home and demonise her character until she was this horrific overbearing unloving mother. overprotective controlling without love. they turn the story of her grief at her YOUNG daughter being torn from her without her knowledge into the story of a misunderstood bad boy and a horrible cruel mother who won’t give him a chance and i really find it sickening. it’s ironic, that the ever misogynist age of hellenistic greece, has a better grasp of how disgusting and horrifying this situation was that a modern, self proclaimed ‘feminist’ era.

[genesis-rhapsodass]

Just a found family on their way to a gentler life (hopefully)

So there's this really good fanfic by @eaymtb of Cloud being sent back in time together with child remnants that's got me SO hooked, I've been wanting to draw something for it for ages so here's some art of the boys on their way to Wutai

[nostradamvs]

I'm sorry but the way there are grown ass adults hating on Ikuto Tsukiyomi, the emo early 2000s angsty catboy who fights in crop tops and acts like a literal cat, is just beyond funny to me.

[mewniemoon]

Any cotl fandom pet peeves?

OoOoooo a question, lets see!

I think my biggest one is people who baby Leshy too much, especially those who headcanon him as autistic and give him the "He's just a shy owo cinnamon roll baby!!" treatment. He's a god of chaos guys cmon ;0; why are you characterizing him like he's a twelve yr old soft boy??

Do whatever you want, if it makes ya happy im not gonna stop ya! But it is most certainly not my cup of tea, and as someone who gets infantilized a lot (for multiple reasons) it can feel a bit cringe seeing someone headcanon him as autistic and then portray him like that

[perilegs]

i know astrology is fake but i'm not too keen on how a lot of people on this website seem to be clowning on it as a hobby a bit too hard. i swear the woman who thinks it's neat how she and her friends with the same sun sign are all similar isn't trying to say that you are who you are born as and there is nothing you can do to change it. it's a hobby. an interest. what happened to finding meaning and joy in the small things. does it affect you if someone enjoys tarot reading or crystals. does it make you upset someone has interests that they enjoy.

[that-sarcastic-writer]

Okay but why I am seeing people on TikTok say the show is ruining aemonds character??? People insist they’re making him “too dark” or “too evil”. Like have we been watching the same man? The same man who held a grudge with a child for years and ultimately killed him (albeit he lost control of vhagar but he didn’t have to chase him on his much bigger dragon), who happily calls rhaenyras kids bastards and taunts them about it damn well knowing they could all get killed for treason. The same man who in the books slaughtered everyone in Haarenhal simply because he was angry. The same man who took a woman against her will and made her his whore. Aemond as a character is temperamental and chooses violence at any minor inconvenience, but also deep down is an angry resentful boy who was bullied relentlessly. So are we really that surprised he purposely tried to kill Aegon? Or that he burned a whole city down because he was angry? Or that he manhandled Haelena because she wouldn’t do as he wanted? Liking a character is one thing, but being in denial about them being a villain is delusional. Aemond isn’t a good guy, he never has been and never will be. That we want to think he is, that’s an entirely different matter. Now unless I’m watching the show with my ass, Aemond has always been this man, it’s just that now he has the power to do as pleases without repercussions. But he’s literally known as the cruel prince and a kinslayer. Those aren’t the qualities of an innocent man. The show isn’t ruining his character by taking him too far, they’re simply showing what he’s capable of now that he can.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Ewan literally said in an interview aemond is a boy who would burn down a village just to feel its warmth. He always says aemond just needs to chill out. If Ewan himself who is so in tune and is so protective of aemond says these things, we can’t we just accept we like a bad guy? It’s not the end of the world.

[gifti3]

One of the appeals of grim to me is that he has the bad boy aesthetic without the bullshit that comes with those types

[ensign-smith]

me, showing my mom the (sfw version of the) kinktober halloween pic i'm working on: Check this out! It's fan art for a fanfic author I really like, this is Data and Lore dressed as the Egyptian gods Thoth and Horus

my mom: Data and who?

me: Lore, Data's twin brother.

my mom: oh that's right.

me: Anyways which option for Lore's outfit do you like better? The right or left version?

my mom: I like Data's outfit

me: I know, I'm happy with it. but what about Lore's? Which version?

my mom: Well I don't like Lore so I don't care about him

[deoxy-ribonucleic-acid]

I love my boy who really doesn’t have morals but just a crippling sense of needing to do good to deserve love

[justafriendofxanders]

i go back and forth a lot on my interpretations of ats s5, ie. what parts of spike are 'in character' or not, but the one thing that stays constant is my belief that spike and angel fucking would have fixed most of this.

[quietwingsinthesky]

Do you agree w/ the fandom interpretation that john was so homophobic he’d have beaten up and abandoned his sons for being gay? Cause sure, he grew up in the 60s as a mechanic and then later became a marine during the vietnam war, but i also don’t think homophobia would’ve necessarily been a priority for him? Like obviously he’s not gonna be the full on supportive and politically correct loving dad, but i think that the fandom’s general opinion on that is pretty warped by people’s relationships w/ their own fathers

I do think this is one place where people tend to project. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that; working out our issues through fiction is healthy and good! I don’t think there’s any canon proof of it beyond, as you said, him being a marine from the sixties who would probably not be super knowledgeable about being queer, maybe a little apprehensive about it from what he’s absorbed through the culture he grew up in. I think we’d be correct to point out that if Sam or Dean were queer, he might be uncomfortable about it, he might try to avoid the topic, which is in of itself hurtful.

The thing about me is: I fully disagree that John was ever physically abusive towards his kids. At most, I will bend this interpretation to say he was probably too harsh on them while teaching them to fight and that maybe he and Sam have traded blows before when arguments got too loud (by blows, I mean, probably shoving with the yelling, you know, assertion of physical space. It seems realistic to me that two people who have been using violence for a long time to protect themselves, and for John, his family, down to the hierarchal power he’s put in place of him -> Dean -> Sam, would resort to it when things got too heated.)

(I also think that sometimes fandom’s insistence that John had to be physically abusive can sometimes get a little insulting because it perpetuates the idea that emotional abuse does less harm and can be overlooked and for flattening out John’s character in a way the show very literally pointed to and said He Did Not Do That. This is the entire point of Max’s episode in s1, for the show to point out that their experiences of abuse were different. How well it was handled is arguable, but I take it as clear evidence that when we talk about John’s relationship with his sons, the focus should be on the emotional abuse, the codependency he developed with Dean from a very young age, his neglect of them both, his attempts to suppress Sam, etc. And I appreciate this about the show, because you can’t talk about any of those things without also talking about why they’re happening, why John thinks this is necessary, how he loves his sons and isolates them to protect them and ends up doing more and more damage that will never leave them through their entire lives.

I’m sure there’s depictions of John being physically abusive that handle it with the same amount of nuance that the show handles him being emotionally abusive in canon. I have not seen them, unfortunately. I’ve seen John being physically abusive 90% of the time just being used as shorthand for him being Bad and Evil and A Terrible Father. Which does not interest me. So I will remain here as a staunch defender of He Would Not Fucking Hit His Kids.)

Sorry, okay, we got off topic there this is about gay shit.

The point of All Of That was for me to be able to say, John’s not going to react to his sons being queer by beating them. He’s definitely not going to abandon them. Hello? John Winchester? Abandon his kids? John Winchester, the guy who has been keeping them in warded up motel rooms their whole lives and moving them across the country out of paranoia the demon who killed his wife could find them if they say anywhere too long? John Winchester who only trusted one or two people to ever look after his sons when he went on a hunting trip too long? We think that John would ditch his kid because they’re queer???

Like I said, I think the most realistic reaction for John, (if not just flat out him going ‘that’s fine, now load this gun while I time you because that’s more important for me to know that you can do’, because. He kind of has bigger priorities to worry about here. Like werewolves.) would be discomfort and pushing it out of his view, ignoring it. Which would still fucking hurt! And would have horrible effects on Sam and Dean both, would encourage Dean to repress it if he thinks his dad is ashamed of him, would push Sam away if he trusts John with this fact about himself and can’t be accepted easily.

I just think this is truer to John’s character.

Anyway. If nothing else here persuades anyone reading that John Would Not Fucking Do That, well. He thought his kid was demonspawn, remember? He thought Sam was corrupted and might not be able to be saved. I don’t think you can get more clear queercoding than that, and you know what John’s very telling response was to that information, to finding out something a thousand times more terrifying than Sam being gay ever could be? To refuse to look at it. To insist to himself that whatever Hell wanted with Sam, he wouldn’t let it happen. To tell Dean to take care of it, because even when John is certain that his son might literally become a demon, he could never bring himself to pull the trigger on him. Because he loves Sam.

So like. He literally would not do anything for the much smaller realization that Sam is gay. His son has demon blood that might turn him super evil, and John still wouldn’t hurt him.

I guess what I’m trying to say here is, I try to keep the fact that John loved his sons at the forefront of my mind when I’m writing stuff about him, because I think if you let that slide out of your head, you can very easily make him much worse, much more flat than he was in canon. The real picture of him is just an extremely flawed man in a terrible situation who fucks up his kids as much as he protects them.

And also he wouldn’t care about them being gay because JohnAzazel real and true and they fucked sloppy in that hospital basement-

[fizziepop]

*it is me hiiiii* *open ni nooorrrr*

this makes me wondering. Does kalon has a type? Or loving isn’t in his language? Vehdushdkdjs I need soup Gala. I NEED SOUPPPPP

hmm, kalon soup for ruirui. I might be able to conjure up something.

I'll be honest. Beyond the fact, Kalon is my villain. I've never actually thought about his details. They're all up in the air for the moment. I didn't think I'd love his concept as much as I do now and I'm surprised that I haven't given him any meat to his story.

Kalon...well, Kalon I won't say he has a type. Growing up, all that matter was his mother's approval, the empire's welfare, and of course, the definite choice of him becoming the emperor one day. Once his dear mother stepped down.

I find it difficult to say whether he had a type or not. The opinion and favor of the ladies and gentlemen irkens was actually affected by the fact his mother was the Empress. They wanted her favor and what better way to get to her if not through one of her offspring. So, he was never alone. Every day, every hour, it could be someone different. He had everything. Looks, prowess as a conqueror, the approval of all eyes, and again, the certainty he would be crowned the next emperor. So, he never had to fight for their approval for the longest time.

Until, everything changed. He was the son that was put aside and he realized that no one actually wanted him for him. All they wanted was power and that damn crown. So, ultimately, he felt jilted and it makes it rather difficult to earn his trust much less affection from him. His view of love would be skewed for the longest time. He may have seen the love his mother and father shared but it was never extended to him or his siblings and all the romances that went bleh probably didn't help. So, someone would have to put a lot of work into this boy but trust me, once you're in. You definitely have someone who will love you to the end.

I imagine he would need someone who's strong. Not necessarily someone who is strong in strength. It could be one's person and the ability to survive hardships. He feels like he's been dealt a losing hand and I think he needs someone who feels the same or is living a similar situation. IMO though, makes me wonder if this would be a toxic relationship...maybe. It could go either way. This person might make him spiral more into some super dark thoughts OR they may heal and find some semblance of peace together. 'Cause, isn't that what everyone wants in life. Some love, peace, and someone(s) to share it with.

So, yeah, I think he's capable of love and I think he's looking for it even if he doesn't realize it yet. His story and his ending hasn't been written so anything is possible for Kalon. If only someone (romantically or platonically) gave him a chance. The question is, "does he deserve one?" idk He keeps asking himself that one. Over and over. Its become a mantra almost to him.

Hope that was some okay soup for you, RuiRui. Thank you for loving and designing, our favorite boy. <3

[ja3yun]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS2ocm2Xr/

i am so ready to lose my innocence to that pretty boy with the pretty arms 😔

ps why did i relate so much to what your therapist said?? like i've never felt so seen 🥲 hope your sessions are going well babe!

pps BIG YES to that bad boy hoon fic. no one writes sunghoon better than you!!! (all of enha hyung line to be fair) <3

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no frrrrr he has the prettiest arms!! i wanna wrap little pink bows around them and then munch on them 😩

icl my therapist was on a fucking roll yesterday, she was so good 😭 it was embarrassing to speak about w her but maaan i felt so free after it. she's absolutely put me in the mood for a bad boy hoon fic and its just following their adventure together 🙏🏻🤞🏻

[unknownarmageddon]

he looks like you to me

BAHA oh my god

[justa-sadjellyfish]

No but why is Augustus getting killed in the musical so sad to me because they literally mentioned that he “never tried to make a friend” and in the West End when he’s up the pipe he literally says “I’m so lonely!!” LIKE THIS POOR BOY DESERVED NONE OF THAT HE LITERALLY DIED WITH NO FRIENDS. (In the musical version ik he doesn’t die in other versions)

[cyberfunsupporter]

IM NOT EVEN A JOE HATER IM JUST NOT ILLITERATE . I LIKE THINGS W MULTITUDES AND NUANCE .