#me with lance until isaac becomes romanceable

[bungiri]

marrying the same character each save ?? i prefer to call it finding my soulmate in every universe

[cornus27florida]

Do you think Gwen and Frederick should be the only “original” couple to get the happily ever after marriage? Should Frederick wait until he’s in a much healthier state of mind until he can ask Gwen to marry him? I mean after he got past her appearance he put her on this pedestal which was just as unhealthy and expected her to fix him. Prince Frederick should realize that he should see Gwen as a person first before committing.

Hello! That's such a heavy topic questions to ask for, but I hope it's okay with mixing the canon with the fanon hopes of "what-ifs" scenario

Personally, I think not only Gwen and Frederick as the "original couple" (I feel you refer to Plaid-Pastel) to get the happily ever after marriage... because? Deep down everyone are all kind people and actually matching each other great like have potentials for great relationships that ends to the happy marriage BUT the current plot story shows that's likely only Gwen/Frederick that becomes endgame, Lance/Lorena is dubious but seems at the end they'll be buddies instead lovers, Maria/Blaine now in shambles as Blaine trickery to opening the door that leads to the invasion - there's no salvation left for their (healthly romantic) relationship anymore

I feel that I am one of the passenger left on the sinking ship of Maria/Blaine and Lorena/Lance but I hope I won't be that delusional of shipper that demanding the creator/author to make their ships to be canon (in other fandoms, extreme shipper like that EXIST with infamous example is a Rukia/Ichigo shipper from BLEACH that burning their entire collection of the comic because they're heartbroken that the endgame is Orihime/Ichigo) - I just want to tell my hurts over the potential what ifs, their tragic ships...

There's so many interpretation over the honest love feelings between Plaid-Pastel, and IMHO all of those valid but subjective without proper canon facts.. We need more canon details like the inner narrative of each character, as so far what we know is what they say in public-to others people so personally I am not sure if those are honest (espc to themself). Those talk without inner honest imho not realiable for true truth. Exception is Frederick but I explain later

Blaine: when asked by Frederick at dungeon if he truly loves Maria (ep 143), he didn't answers as instead mocking Frederick. Blaine looks so jealous when he see Maria chatting along with Beckett, using the guard name as the trick to opening the door.. And it's works. Blaine ia the most confusing character in my opinion but the past talk with Isaac @the-giggling-guava give me keyword-Anger. Blaine is very angry towards everything and everyone, espc Maria as the 'savior' that Blaine anchoring his self worth (coughs, coping both Frederick and Gwen) to believes he's not that all bad - he's not just have the ugly sides, but the gala fiasco make him fell into the dark pit to believes he's totally evil

Maria: as the oldest Pastel Siblings that get oversheltered so much for 18 years of her life, this makes her so quick and jumpy over notion of romance (even sexual desires, the most thirsty) and no one really pointing out about it clearly (Isolde in her icy way tell that Maria didn't really know about Plaid Princes is spot on, but wish for more gentle and elaboration honestly). It's only after 'incidentally' has talks with Beckett that she realizes herself over how downbad she is to objectify Blaine and after that at the piano duel, she shown great development by supporting Blaine as telling that she rooting for him

Maria/Blaine? Is a tragic ship as realistically it can't happen even with so much progress both of them had as seen that Maria is objectify him while Blaine do Frederick's initial move "have romantic partner for escapade (Isaac again gives very good analysis that Blaine wish for Maria to be his means to achieving "Freedom", so the idea of the lover not the actual person"). There's huge what-if fanfic project that I make, but even with that scenario of basically making amends early I can't make Maria/Blaine works healthy as the best outcome for them is open ending ship with them starting from zero (0) as a friend with Maria treats herself first by chasing her singing dream while Blaine completely let go of idealism being the perfect plaid prince first. If both of them meet up earlier, in normal family setting, I could see them being a healthy lovers tho - simply as the oldest sibling that loves music

Lance: the hardest CPC character to interpret because how passive he is canonically, he got defined by his relationships with others instead himself that define his character. This born from weird realization that he never had monologue or inner talk which the perfect example of when being the most honest self. He is so lacking on personality as he feels just there, not engaging to others on really intimate tone. Remember that the kiss he had with Lorena, is initiated by her? Or that he's not sure what he really wants, he just agreed to help Blaine archives his dream OR when he just realizes he didn't want to become a trophy husband for Lorena army only after Suzie nudging it? Also overall Lance treats Lorena more like buddies instead lover vibes somehow

Lorena: Lorena isn't downbad like Maria, but the effect of oversheltered makes her lonely to not really have (best) friend until meets Suzie which she clings the forced friend relationship for but it seems Suzie slowly don't mind about the notion. Does Lorena didn't have any romantic feeling towards Lance? Def not as she thirsting over the notion to becomes waffles so could get eaten by Lance. But I feel the current situation is she so hurt over passive way of Lance, born since when she depressed that her dream to leads the army initially not even supported by 2 males that she has high regards of opinion to (Jack severely againts it, Lance shown his fear over the notion). The passive way that turns to be cowardly way of Lance not doing anything to prevents the invasion arc as he just going along with the plan - Lance know the plan is evil, he utterly punished by Leland which Lorena not know the truth for, but Lorena is right about his passive-cism

Lorena/Lance? So ambiguous and messy, but not in total shambles like Maria/Blaine. That's why in my time travelling fic AU, I could make them works by changing several points of their characters. Have Lorena realizes how fucked up is Leland earlier. Have Lance to be more active, to believe that women isn't fragile porcellain doll as Lorena def capable to protects herself and others - she just need support, guidance and knowledge to do so as compares to the canon at invasion arc, Lorena's project is so impressive although ridiculous and naturally it's happen because her lack of knowledge of defense. They are literally dorky jocks that need some work in relationship to be together but could happen

Phew, finishing the older pairings and answering the first question. Now move on to the next!!!

English isn't my native language so I am initially confused with what "pedestal" you mean.. Then I googled and take time to answer the question..

to think of someone as a perfect person with no faults : to admire someone greatly.

This is what's the meaning of pedestal in the relationship meaning, I hope I could get what you mean with the following questions that basically relates to each other

Alright, I summary your questions first before answering them (1/ should Frederick waits to have healthier mental status first? 2/I am not sure which pedestal you refer, but I take free interpretation that after Frederick look past Gwen's appearance - while making various comparisons (witch√ cursed princess √ angel√) 3/ Frederick should see Gwen as a person first)

ALRIGHT!!! Here we go

1/ mental status is something that always fluctuate and actually it's not related to age (sure, older is wiser but there's more to it) but more about how each person deals with their mental issue - which from the very start they should realizes that they're in the problem first and thus act accordingly which mostly begins with acceptance 'that they're in deep shits and need help'. Now let's see Frederick overall. Frederick just realizes that his own family might abnormal only when meeting Whitney that gives example of what abnormal family is but he accept that his family might that bad, and got confirmed when punished in isolation treatment BUT he still clinging in naivety that his family not that bad bad by try to stops Blaine without any weapon and hoping words can help him. It's not, but thankfully Whitney and Prez saves him and curently the free pass in nutshell is Prez try to reasoning Blaine with sword dance (violent way)

So personally I think Frederick indeed need more work in his mental issue healing, but he's not starting (like Lance) or not even on the road (like Blaine) like his brothers. In the weird way of the CPC is, Frederick on the very first important step of acceptance - to anything. He already accepts that Gwen looks will stays like this, and he loves her just the way she is. He already accepts that his family is abnormal, but he hopes for his brothers still could be saved - like what normal people with high morality will do.

Also to me, the mental issue of Frederick isn't the standard for him asking out for Gwen's hand in marriage.. It's their age, both are minors and we shouldn't glorify teenager marriage (and pregnancy) - it could happen espc due to 'love accidents' (coughs, teenagers making love rawly and without future thinking thus suddenly realizes too late that the female are pregnant.. IRl scenario) but doesn't mean it can't be prevented. I find that gwenderick is the example of the most pure ship that can ever happen on my shipping book, mention of kissing already made them so flustered deeply which for themselves I believe they won't jump to marriage soon. They're will have the much needed time for mental healing of each other, but why can't make it together?

Mental issue healing is indeed a long road ahead filled with uncertainties, and I feel marriage shouldn't be standard milestone for relationship. Which in other world, GwenDerick could become healthy canon ship after the whole invasion arc end - when they reunite as Gwen awakes and Frederick reaches her as his true self.. But no need for marriage milestone, is just the event. The event that they're have chance to free from Leland's scheme and on their own pace when feeling completely ready, because what's one thing that entail to wedding-marriage? Progeny

With everything that they're going through to be lovers as now from the family with extreme parenting, I say with healthlier relationship that they'll get in the future..they could meet the middleground between oversheltered (Pastel) and overexposure (Plaid) to make their children, symbol of their love with combined aspect of them genetically, to be truly happy with loves

im nutshell, yes Frederick should waits in better mental status before courting Gwen.. But didn't mean for them to can't be together sooner. They could have free time of being together and dates.. Like right now after their incoming reunion. Being together =/= marriage

2/3/ because I feel connected to each other. Frederick can't help to keep compares Gwen to not completely human because he's the resident nerd dork that indeed reads tons of fairy tale books with lots of imagination and fictional comparison helps him to accepts reality.

From witch initially - initial first thought of her having green skin and thoughts to wants poisoning him, the wrong confrontation that painting Gwen as immortal, her look that similar with Lilyth which haunting Frederick's palace for years. To cursed princess because he finds Gwen in the CPC. To Angel, the angel of the fortune, the entity that he thoughts to be his savior that completely lifting him up from the hole but later on that he realizes that he need to pull his own work too because the angel can't completely lifting him up - thus develop for his sense to protects the angel, because Gwen needs him

If putting someone on pedestal is unhealthy? Depends, but personally Gwen's wish that Frederick is the ultimate person to fix her =/= Frederick believes that Gwen is the angel as the present one. Why i say this? Because, for Frederick case that notion make him remembers Whitney saying that he could get chance to change his story then doing his own work (which helped by Laverne and LeoMieCake) to lifting himself from the hole he imprisoned in. For Gwen is different becaus after the gala fiasco, she's in despair believing no one loves her. She thinks her sisters hates her as breaking the engagement. She thinks that Frederick love to her indeed forced. She completely forgot about her father, her twin brother Jamie, the CPC... Then she eats the poisoned apple, the tragedy that LambCat paralelling as attempting suicide. But thankfully everything not too late, Gwen soul is still in this world and not die as what the success suicide is. Everyone involved on the light side outting their best ability to kicking out the Plaid Troop that the villain Leland leads while reaches Gwen to show - everyone loves her

Now, the incoming future episodes of the CPC, about who Gwen loves back..which I find will be so heartwarming if the revealation is that Gwen loves everyone back too ^^

/end of the long answer hahah, hope you enjoy it as much as I am writing it!