#maybe thats why im so cheol biased

[juhaknyeonies]

people who i believe choi seungcheol was written by

genre: kind of angsty ?? its not rlly happy

warnings: mentions of death

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i believe seungcheol was written by girls who love their dads but never had time for them because they were busy with work; seungcheol was written to stay and help them with homework or play monopoly. he would make up for the time lost to work for your actual father. he wouldn’t make empty promises and does everything in his power to make sure your not lonely.

i believe seungcheol was written by girls who needed a father figure since they grew up without one; whether it be because he died or left at a young age seungcheol would be the perfect father figure you deserved. he would cheer you on at sport carnival and show up to your performances when your father could never because he wasn’t involved in your life.

i believe seungcheol was written by widowed mothers with newborn babies; seungcheol would be created in the image of her late spouse, taking care of the baby with her and relieving her of the stress. so distraught from the death, the mother created seungcheol in the image of her spouse to help her get through raising a child. he would be everything that mother dreamed of doing with her spouse.

i believe seungcheol was written by girls with daddy issues who desperately wanted the feel the love all her other friends got from their fathers; seungcheol was written by her to discover what fatherly love she should’ve received while growing. seungcheol was a father who was proud of their daughter and would do anything to protect her and always made sure she was fed, happy and healthy. he would do the job of a father that your actual father should’ve.

i believe seungcheol was written by grandmothers who wanted to imagine what her grandchild would be like before she died; upset that she’ll die before ever seeing her beloved grandchild she creates seungcheol in image of how she would like her grandchild to be like. hardworking, stands up for what he believes in and also cares for others close to him, making sure they’re okay. she wishes for her grandchild to be a beautiful role model people can look up to one day.

[juunshua]

What keeps coming to mind for me while reading all your analyses (which I love so much btw your commentary is actually so interesting to me) is that one episode of going seventeen where we saw the units practising and we saw jeonghan falter on a line and boo sort of coach him through it. I remember being surprised cause I was still new to svt when I saw it and was expecting jihoon to be the one leading

Wasn’t woozi originally going to be in performance team and hoshi in vocal? At times I feel like we can see that cause while jihoon has a pretty good understanding of music I feel like it doesn’t work as well as it should with the vocal range of svt as a whole (or maybe that’s just what they’re going for? Idk what they are going for if that’s the case tho)

I’m assuming you’re the same anon but if not let me know!i know the exact moment you’re talking about! and i think theyve mentioned it quite a bit but when it comes to the actual team dynamics, woozi’s mentioned that boo is more of a leader than he is within vocal team so i think it slightly has to do with that but also, its just a moment that the camera captured! woozi does also lead vocal direction quite a bit when theyre recording so its hard to really say that /that/ moment was a lack of woozi leading? perhaps jeonghan specifically asked boo for the help, maybe boo was just in close proximity, maybe woozi was busy doing his own thing ahaha, you never know! also id also hesitate to call that a moment of boo /leading/ or /coaching him through that/ as much as it was boo trying to build up confidence for jeonghan! and honestly when it comes to predebut stuff im really bad at the specifics but woozi did have a huge emphasis on dance. i didnt know about hoshi being on vocal team though? cheol i think was one of the ppl supposed to be on vocal but he turned into a baritone so :) ahahaha its a shame bc i think he has a decent grasp on singing despite not really focusing on it at all, and i think he supports and may be the third or tied for second or even second haahaha in svt in terms of vocal technique (and his placement is sO nice i feel like if he took singing more seriously we’d be able to hear resonance from him rather quickly but anywhos i digress). but yes! woozis speciality doesn’t lie in vocal technique at all, and its really evident even within the songs he composes. i guess, i should be careful in saying that because ahaha who knows if hes the one deciding the final key of the song at the end composition is long process but still!! so many of svts songs are so! high! even for tenors! poor baritone cheol during dwc was like ‘this song is so high’ like 5000000 times and even the tenors agreed. it almost seems to be a recurring theme with svt comebacks ahaha at least one person mentions how high the song is. boo mentioned it during ‘oh my’ which has this especially high part in the chorus ahah where he has to hit a freaking db5 in his chest im sorry woozi what. THANKS WAS LITERALLY SO FREAKING HIGH FOR THE ENTIRE SONG LIKE CONSISTENTLY JUST! HIGH! but yeah, he might be able to create pretty melodies, but he definitely is not taking into account the vocal fach of svt members at all. i feel like their songs just keep getting higher too alksjf. pinwheel though! nice and comfortable place for tenors for sure but that just feels like a coincidence ahaha like svts songs are created with musicality in mind and not application to the voice really tbqh. and also…woozis the one who does their demos so hes definitely going to be biased towards whatever he can ‘easily’ sing which may not be the case for all svt members ahaa (ie rip baritones). so yeah i think when it comes to composing, woozi def focuses 100% on the actual musical instrumental part of the composition rather than how his composition could work best with voices and of all the ppl in svt that i wished had at least decent knowledge of vocal technique, i was hoping itd be him because of his large role in the stuff that svt sings but apparently nope :( one thing that confuses me though is that bumzu, a v close collaborator of woozi, does seem to realize the importance of vocal technique…i think he more or less singled boo out during predebut and taught him stuff like that there was a quote from svt project like bumzu saying that he worked together with boo to find out ways to keep his tone while not injuring his throat and like??? that should be the case for EVERYONE?  like why? only ? boo? theres a reason hes at the level he is now and his focus on trying to keep his throat healthy is one of them for sure! and does bumzu like not give woozi some pointers if something might be too high for tenors if he says that he learned about vocal technique? too many questions ahaha. it honestly does seem like musicality takes preference over vocal ability in svt songs though so thats what theyre trying to do imo, just make something sound ‘pretty’

[juunshua]

No pls I love rants on music, especially vocal techniques (had a couple of classes, quit because of life in general, most of my expertise is on the piano side anyway), and would really, seriously love to hear your thoughts on the members vocals (although I do understand that this is time consuming to do) just wanted to say that there's no need to apologise for ranting, we all wanna hear you speak anyways :)

sorry this took forever to respond to! akdjf youve went to more vocal technique classes than i have so maybe you might know more than me ahaha! tbh i really want to formally learn vocal pedagogy so i know what im listening for and what im not. like having that professional opinion alongside telling me ‘ur wrong’ or ‘ur right’ i really want that so i can solidify my learning in a sense…ive been doing that kind of through youtube videos and stuff but still idk. omg ur a pianist? please i love you automatically now so idk why but i’ll probably just summarize in units? and like maybe short comments about each member or more than one member or something idk. under a readmore bc it got longwarning: i am no way, shape and or form a professional. 

hht: im going to start with hht…tbh i have another name for hht haha its called ‘baritone team’ alsdkjf isnt it a coincidence (not really) that all of svts baritones ended up in hht…thus is the fate of most baritones in kpop sadly :( they either get pushed to subvocal or to the rapper position even if its not what they want initially bc of their like natural (basically) biological disposition of not being able to hit, with the same kind of ease, high notes that tenors can…like tbh tenors cant hit those notes ½ the time either but its less obvious bc theyre tenors…that made no sense lasdj…in relating to current events though heres a classic example of baritone (vn) vs tenor (sk) singing in basically the same high note range but vn has to go into falsetto while sk is trying to mix up there…both of them arent really singing it well (laskdj fmaybe sk is a bad example bc he has a good approach to his voice…but like nonetheless that isnt a healthy sounding note from either of them) but its less obvious with sk bc hes a tenor and more obvious with vn (well maybe the falsetto vs mix also had to do with it but like idk a bari who would want to mix that high ljldkajf). anyways in terms of technique, no one in hht team particularly stands out. All of them tend to either sing with their throat or sing with lots of air in their voice, which isn’t particularly healthy but also to be expected from rappers. tbh rappers i find tend to be more throaty, i think why in this group they also are airy is because of wz lol and his vocal directing. within the entire group though (like not just hht), ww has my fav vocal color and i tend to think from within hht, he has the most potential to become a decent vocalist. its mostly (like 95%) because of his continual expressed desire in singing (it makes me think that when he does actually get proper vocal lessons he would take them very seriously and be very disciplined about it and tbh that just goes above everything else) but also because of that one performance of city escape (here) ? and it sounds really pretty and the range that he’s singing in that song is starting to be in the higher part of a baritones register too. and in some of his other vocal performances too, whenever he is in the range where he doesn’t have to mix, his approach to his voice really isnt bad at all. i say he has the most potential but that doesnt mean the other hht members cant become awesome vocalists they can if they put the right time and effort into it. pt:the rest of the units are composed of all tenors (at least from what i know) btw so yeah all of pt are tenors. again in terms of technique no one particularly stands out. they all seem to approach singing similarly but with putting emphasis on different things which makes them sound different….actually upon closer inspection most of the members of the entire group (not just pt) are like that laksjdl….well maybe with the exception of sk. anywho…jh pushes air a lot which is why you get those like ‘hiccups’?? idk how else to describe it but an example is here. like do u hear how his voice rises at the end of a lot of those notes? hs also gets those same hiccups. jh is also quite nasal, and probably the most nasally member within the 13 members when it comes to singing. nasally voices are my number one pet peeve rip thats why my fav jh singing moments is when hes singing in his comfortable range and esp when its words/syllables that force him to place his voice not so much in his nose (ie this part in my i). being nasal is not really as damaging for the vocal chords as much as it is the individual not really placing the voice in the correct, most optimal place. he also gets really tight on higher notes esp when hes trying to mix that high. same with hs (you can hear the both of them sounding tight in the habit perf i linked to earlier). also jh has tongue tension but im not sure if thats a reflection of him trying to sing in kr…him and hao are probably at a disadvantage when it comes to singing because of the fact that they aren’t singing in a language that theyre comfortable in/fluent in. when it comes to hao, when he said in the seasons greetings video that he was working on singing but no matter how much he practiced, he couldnt improve, that made me really sad :( because that basically means is that the vocal lessons he is getting arent actually good vocal lessons…unless he expects results to happen in a week (which sadly no it takes months upon months). ur vocal chords are a muscle so they take time to develop (like when u first go to the gym u arent going to try and lift the heaviest weight right? or run at the fastest speed or whatever u have to build urself up to that slowly). and then he also compared that to his dancing which he said he could get better at by doing over and over? but its the same when it comes to dancing like u cant be improving dancing if u learn the wrong choreo or the wrong ways to dance a specific type of dance right? like no matter how much u practice a wrong choreo its still going to be that wrong choreo…so if u sing with bad technique no matter how much u practice u arent going to get better u’ll just develop bad technique. but yeah singing with correct technique should yield some results eventually (i can attest to that). anyways im biased and i really want to hear hs get proper vocal lessons bc i find his vocal color sooo pretty i literally listen to campfire like 90%for his part in the chorus (and the other 10% is cheols rap aldjsf)….i also think he hovers around being able to support or maybe its my biased ears talking who knwos… i didnt really talk about dn but hes kind of along the same lines…maybe a bit more dependent on his throat than some of the other members in pt…which kind of makes sense bc thats what rappers tend to dovt: ok js and wz are both similar in how they approach singing i think its kind of obvious too with how much they sound alike at times. oh yeah wz probably has the highest vocal range within the group idt anyone in the group can go higher than him (not that it really matters when it comes to vocal technique but its a neat tidbit of info). jh for one has a lot of tongue tension (just like jn) when he sings and is kinda nasal (not as much as jn but still there). just like the rest of the other members in the other units, these three dont support either. we can finally talk about support when we talk about sm…although his supported range isnt too much he does have that basic down…he gets super throaty though when hes outside his supported range. he does that same hiccup thing that hs/jn do. he hasn’t shown the ability to resonate but at least he can support.  despite singing a lot of the groups high notes, he hasnt developed a connected head voice, as far as im aware of. technique wise hes really similar to a lot of the main vocalists in groups that debut these days. but ok NOW SK aka the member who has the best vocal technique. he supports consistently and he has resonance too its so beautiful and wonderful to listen to like esp since a lot of kpop group vocalists that debut these days for some reason dont really want to resonate. its so nice to listen to his voice. like hes fooling around here but still manages (what i think is) a resonant F#4? (not the high note he holds out, its like the note he sings before he slides up) and if that note isnt resonant then it is at the very least supported very very very nicely. heres a really pretty g4. tbh i really want to hear him start trying to conquer the fourth octave like what a good day itd be if i could say ‘yeah sk can sing up to b4s with good technique’ like thats kind of hard to do but definitely attainable! and he has the potential for sure! i think within the fandom hes really quite overlooked for some odd reason that i cant seem to figure out why. he definitely has the healthiest voice, at least his mixed register for sure. he seems to prefer mixing over head voice for whatever reason when it comes to high notes so honestly speaking i havent paid much attention to his head voice but i wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt connected considering how much he doesnt sing in it…but tbh the fact that he mixes pretty decently is amazing in it of itself. CONCLUSION: with proper vocal guidance and technique ANYONE can become a decent singer.