#luthison

[firelxdykatara]

I would actually argue that TUA Luther/Allison isn't, because they were in no way, shape, or form, raised to be siblings, they were raised to be soldiers, and their feelings for each other developed prior to any kind of familial bond cementing (they didn't even have names until Grace's AI evolved to the point where she considered herself their mother, years after her creation--which is why Five was never named, because he got timestuck before she named them).

Ultimately, similarly to Catra and Adora in fact, the Hargreeves are a bunch of orphans raised in the same abusive group home with no other recourse but to trauma-bond with one another and nothing to cling to but the illusion of a familial bond provided when their robot nanny developed sentience. The only reason they're siblings-on-paper is because they all took their abusive caretaker's last name, but he was no more their father than Shadow Weaver was Catra and Adora's mother.

Their relationship is 'weird' because they eventually claimed the sibling 'label' for themselves, despite all their relationships being a lot more complicated than any nuclear family could be, and there's a reason why for all their meta commentary, no one actually thinks it's all that weird that Luther and Allison are in love (and them being 'siblings' is like the least of the problems in their relationship).

Having said that, I agree that Thorki is (raised as brothers and believing themselves to be until Loki discovered his true parentage) and Charles/Raven is not, though they'd definitely have conflicting feelings about it. And yeah, adoption is one of those 'it's complicated and depends on the exact nature of the adoption/ensuing relationship' things so you can't make a blanket statement about it. (However I will generally say in 99% of cases I don't consider stepsiblings/in laws to be incest in any meaningful sense.)

https://www.tumblr.com/olderthannetfic/766194391514824704/i-apologize-in-advance-for-how-long-this-is-gonna?source=share

Ooh, are we doing "Is adoptive incest incest?" discourse now? I'll start: MCU Thor/Loki is; TUA Luther/Allison is; XMCU Charles/Raven might not be, but even they don't seem sure; and SPOP Catra/Adora isn't, but I'm honestly surprised the possibility doesn't get raised more often.

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But seriously, adoption can describe so many different situations that there's no hard and fast rule about it. "It always is" and "It always isn't" are both false statements. So no, we can't and never will just all agree ;)

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[firelxdykatara]

How do you not let the repeated anon hate get to you? I’m just a “viewer” and I can start getting anxiety from read it. There’s no way I could handle being in your position. It’s pretty commendable. (Not to say you’re any lesser if it DOES get to you of course, I feel like that’d be perfectly normal)

I wanna say first off that, like you said, if anon hate does get to you and you can’t handle it/turn off anon or asks completely/etc, that is normal and ok and you’re not weak for it or anything. No one should have to deal with anon hate and choosing not to allow it is 100% valid and understandable.

As to how I personally deal, honestly, a lot of it is because I’m so fucking stubborn, I know for a fact I’m right at all times (this may be a bit hyperbolic, but anon hate has never convinced me to change my mind about anything shipwise EVER), and I am a creature fueled by spite. One of the easiest ways to get me to ship something is to hate the people who ship it for stupid reasons. Or even to just hate the ship itself for stupid reasons. Or the characters involved--I went into The Umbrella Academy stanning Allison and Diego and Five and being pretty neutral on everyone else, but thinking Luthison was cute. Then in comes the fandom calling luthison disgusting and the shippers incest supporting freaks and all the scads of Luther hate that were blaming him for his own trauma and making light of his trauma responses while letting Vanya (and Five, and the others, but it was especially prominent in Luther v Vanya discourse) off the hook for slitting her own sister’s throat and I was like ‘you know what? Luther just became my favorite and I hope Luthison is endgame’.

I did one Jiangtara fic and was idly considering expanding on it maybe, and then people dogpiled on me over a perfectly innocuous post insisting a character with no set age was An Adult and I was a pedophile for enjoying the potential of this ship, and now I’m in the process of outlining an entire one-shot series and Jiangtara has become my second-favorite Katara ship.

I’m fueled by spite and righteous anger over the way some people in toxic corners of various fanbases will treat real, living, breathing people over their opinions on fictional fucking characters, and I find this provides me with something of a buffer--anon hate does little but convince me that I’m right, and I should say it, and I should keep saying it so that anyone with similar opinions who’s scared to voice them because of the way these assholes act will at least know they aren’t alone and maybe can help keep them from being browbeaten into submission by a bunch of jerks who never learned to separate fiction from reality.

That said, sometimes it does get to me. I’ve gotten panic attacks over some of the things people have sent me. (The worst have been ones I would never publish. I’m not giving a platform to rape and death threats, ever.) At that point, I will start just deleting hate rather than responding, and will probably walk away, or ask for nice things (like I did the other day, and thank you to everyone who sent me prompts and headcanons, I have some sitting here that I will dive into, I’ve just been feeling very low energy the last couple days), and there’s always been anons being nice and sending me love that make keeping anon on worth it.

I do also try to make sure I tag everything so ppl who follow me can blacklist my anon hate and salt tags (’anon hate party’ and ‘salt for ts’) but sometimes when things get bad I just start responding and forget to tag, so never feel bad if you need to unfollow me for a while until things settle down. I know just witnessing it can be exhausting as fuck.