#lujayne forge

[incorrectstarwarslegendsquotes]

Corran Horn: Where are you from? Lujayne Forge: Kessel. Corran Horn: I'm sorry? Lujayne Forge: I said Kessel. Corran Horn: No, no, I heard. I'm just sorry.

[magnetarbeam]

Thinking more about my developing ideas for a Kesselian variant of the Tatooine slave culture of popular fanon, and how I hope to use it in the AU where Kyp gets off Kessel early (although he's a bit older) and ends up as a Rogue Squadron pilot.

Fair warning: This probably will make no sense at all without at least a casual understanding of the stuff that's already out there about that fanon.

I'm thinking that in this AU, Kyp's four years older, so he's Gavin's age. The reason he ended up in the mines was that his parents were protesting the destruction of Alderaan, so I could similarly move his ending up there to pretty soon after that, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't break anything important (Whereas in JAT he's been there eight years by the time Han and Chewie find him in 11 ABY.)

Because my hope is for this to be mainly spun off from X-Wing, there's a payoff I can find in drawing connections between Kyp and other characters who were on Kessel at the same time. Primarily, Lujayne and Inyri Forge.

The idea is that the Forges are acting in the same kind of role as the wise woman who reminds Anakin of his true heritage in the first Double Agent Vader story. They're charged with knowing the stories of the Amavikka, and passing those stories along. In canon, Lujayne mentions having multiple sisters and brothers in her spiel to Corran where she accuses him of thinking less of her because of where she's from and stuff.

I think when Kyp shows up, Lujayne offers the mythical origin story of the Maw, and he hears it. Kyp's ten at this point, so it's not the same as if he was born into it (as Lujayne was), but in a lot of respects one could say he was raised as Amavikka.

The reason why the Maw's origin story is always the first one people hear when they arrive on Kessel is because the Maw is a complete mystery even to people who were brought up with high technology, maybe especially to them. This is an Imperial prison colony, so there would be a lot of people with that kind of upbringing. And those people, who otherwise might dismiss the stories told by the slaves as the pathetic imaginings of poorly educated minds or something like that, are inclined to give them more credit because it's not like they understand this cosmic anomaly any better.

Whether or not Kyp believes the stories - and I think he does, soon enough - he definitely takes heart in one of the most important points of the whole thing:

You own yourself.

Kessel isn't a planet like Tatooine that's been revisited far too often in official Star Wars stories, so there's not an abundance of native/introduced animals that I can use in the myths, nor would there likely be. In FotJ they do talk about some vanishing avian species around the tombs.

Of course, this is related to the version found on Tatooine, so a lot of that would probably cross over.

The fact that they do all their work in total darkness invites so many opportunities for various symbolism. I have yet to have any very distinct ideas for what the stories are.

Anyway, some of the background for this verse is that when they were both on Kessel, Lujayne took a liking to Kyp in particular, and kind of took him under her wing. When she manages to get out, she can't take him as well, so she and Inyri (another relationship I need to flesh out more) do the counterpart to that oath where you mix your own blood with water and sand (does that have a name?) to promise that if Inyri's ever able to escape, she'll get him out with her. This is the context in which Kyp gets out and meets the Rogues.

The local Kessel counterparts to some of the Tatooinian symbolism pose some deep questions. I'm currently thinking that the belief on Kessel is that light is sacred in the perpetual darkness of the mines. Obviously, it's not quite as important as water is in the deserts of Tatooine, but the constant darkness has a huge impact on how they need to develop their senses and stuff. This also means I can make the bogeys have all kinds of meaning.

I don't buy that nobody knew of the energy spiders until JAT.

Most or all of the plot of Wedge's Gamble is probably getting rewritten here anyway. He's not going to join the Rogues until probably towards the end of Krytos Trap, but it is pretty important that he spend a lot of time around some of them before then.

Particularly, I want him and Corran to actually be friends. I don't think that's too hard to believe in this context.

Kyp, at some point: I don't trust Erisi.

Corran: Why not?

Kyp: I don't know. It's just a feeling.

Corran: My father always told me to trust those feelings.

After Corran escapes the Lusankya, Kyp can now share his culture and stuff with him because now Corran's been enslaved.

I have much more to say about this, but I'm sleep-deprived and this is probably going to start being really stupid if I keep going.

[theology101]

Who’s the Best Pilot?

In general, I tried to take someone's Force Talent into account and have that be somewhat weighed against them - Luke is probably equal to Wedge, Tycho and Sootnir (Which really should be the S Row, Vader alone in S+ cause the man was dogfighting at near lightspeed and everyone shifted down) but they're just humans were as he's a Jedi. Other times though, like the Force Users we do have at the top, they're just so overwhelmingly better then the people around them that they deserve to be that high up.

S+ —> Vader/Anakin, Wedge Antilles, Soontir Fel, Tycho Celchu

S —> Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Jaina Solo, Jagged Fel, Saesee Tiin, Corran Horn

A —> Hera Syndulla, Rey Skwaylker, Jacen Solo, Kylo Ren, Plo Koon, Poe Dameron, Kyp Durron, Pash Cracken, Ooryl Qyrgg

B —> Maarek Stele, Shea Hublin, Ventress, Ahsoka Tano, Gavin Darklighter, Bror Jace, Lowbacca, Din Djarin

C —> Tri-Fighters, Bo-Katan Kryze, Obi-Wan, Chirdaki, Che’ri, Biggs Darklighter, Shara Bey, Biggs Darklighter, Garven Dreis, Nien Nunb

D —> Clone Troopers, Ello Asty, Porkins, Jessika Pava, Varko Grey,  Inyri Forge, Aril Nunb, Rella Sol, Jake Farrel

F —> Vulture Droids, Cade Skywalker, Lujayne Forge, Eresi Delerit, Havina Vonreg

[archangels-and-timelords]

X-Wing: Rogue Squadron - Fancast

Michael Ealy as Tycho Celchu Matt Dallas as Corran Horn Roseanne Supernault as Mirax Terrik Sela Ward as Ysanne Isard Emmanuelle Chriqui as Erisi Dlarit Michael Johnston as Gavin Darklighter Shraddha Kapoor as Lujayne Forge Tanya Sharma as Inyri Forge Ashley Walters as Bror Jace Teresa Palmer as Rhysati Ynr

[captaingondolin]

So your droid thinks you should go out more too?

(Lujayne to Corran in X-Wing Rogue Squadron) You know you have a problem when your astromech is worried for your social life

[maryellencarter]

so @corelliaxdreaming​ put 48 star wars characters into a hunger games simulator, and the results were entertaining (Snap Wexley fell out of a tree onto Hobbie and killed them both! WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY TO ME), so I was like “I will do the thing also!” So here is the link to the generator, and here is my cast list:

Wedge Antilles, Tycho Celchu, Wes Janson, Hobbie Klivian, Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Corran Horn, Erisi Dlarit, Mara Jade, Kirney Slane, Myn Donos, Face Loran, Piggy saBinring, Ton Phanan, Asyr Sei’lar, Gavin Darklighter, Mirax Terrik, Iella Wessiri, Kell Tainer, Falynn Sandskimmer, Shalla Nelprin, Tyria Sarkin...

...that’s 24, I’m not sure I *have* 48 characters if I stick to pilots and pilot-adjacent characters? It seems weird to throw in, like, Thrawn or somebody...

...Plourr Ilo, Koyi Komad, Xarcce Huwla, Dia Passik, Nawara Ven, Rhysati Ynr, Lujayne Forge, Inyri Forge, Poe Dameron, Squeaky, Pash Cracken, Castin Donn...

...jesus. This is hard fucking work...

...Elassar Targon, Dorset Konnair, Jesmin Ackbar, Snap Wexley, Jek Porkins, Biggs Darklighter, Bror "Bro" Jace, Tetengo Noor, Target Nu, Tal'dira, Runt Ekwesh, Sharr Latt. HOLY FUCKING MACARONI I DID IT!

Stay tuned for updates? :-) "star wars hunger games" to block/track the tag

[corelliaxdreaming]

thoughts on every character who ever was a member of rogue squadron in the rogue squadron books? (which you may take awhile to answer; there’s a lot of people)

Listed by the book they first appear in so you can avoid spoilers if you like. Also short because I’m lazy and this has been hanging around a long time. ;)

Rogue Squadron:

Wedge Antilles – theboy!

Tycho Celchu – mytraumatized boy!

Corran Horn – *fondeyeroll*

Ooryl Qrygg – a goodmatch for Corran, delightfully sassy when he levels up

Nawara Ven – very goodpilot and space lawyer

Rhysati Ynr – neededmore to do; I picture her as buff Rachelle Lefevre

Bror Jace – Bro.

Erisi Dlarit – boo hiss

Peshk Vri'syk –I…don’t remember anything about this guy

Gavin Darklighter – as @anonymousblueberry once said, a good lil Tatooine bean!

Riv Shiel – Gavin’sboyfriend. Thanks, RoguePod.

Lujayne Forge – awesomefor putting Corran in his place, gone too soon :(

Andoorni Hui – wehardly knew ye

Wedge’s Game:

ArilNunb – kinda badass, I remember being soworried about her during the Krytos stuff

PashCracken – a good boy who needs more content!

The Krytos Trap:

AsyrSei'lar – still bitter about what she did, always bitter about it

InyriForge – the living equivalent of (ง'̀-‘́)ง;it would’ve been so awesome to see her and Lujayne together

Solo Command:

Wes Janson - badass, sweetheart, jokester, therapist - nothing not to love!!

Derek“Hobbie” Klivian – darling space Eeyore

Tal'dira– sorry for what happened to you but it led to my very favoriteX-wing scene of all time

PednaScotian, Ran Kether, and Koobis “Target” Nu – all newbs who getbasically no pagetime

Isard’sRevenge:

MynDonos – loved the PTSDrecovery portion of his Wraith storyline, was very happy to see thathe was transferring and sticking around, very disappointed to see himbasically do nothing in this book

LyyrZatoq – another non-entity

Khee-JeenSlee – the awkward alien reproduction lessons with Corran scene isgold, otherwise there’s notmuch to him

[glassprowlers]

WIP ask meme

Rules: Post the names of all the files in your WIP folder, regardless of how non-descriptive or ridiculous. Send me an ask with the title that most intrigues you and interests you and i’ll post a little snippet of it or tell you something about it!

Dunno if this is a good or a bad idea since I've barely started writing fic again after y e a r s of not writing anything at all, but I am writing again so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ why not?? 

#1 - stupid face/phanan bacta thing

#2 - scene for bacta fic

#3 - "Ton gets mistaken for an imp warlord while undercover" face/ton fic plan?  (an outline, not fic)

#4 - Some bits of dialogue for that depressing af Ton/Falynn au I seem set to write

#5 - Concept: Lujayne Forge/Falynn Sandskimmer (another outline)

#6 - When did Ton Phanan discover he was allergic to bacta? ( This is several paragraphs of an outline and like, three sentences' worth of shitty fic that needs to be expanded, but I like this idea so onto the list it goes!) 

#7 - How much of an ass did Ton make of himself when trying to hit on Falynn? 

[ysalamiri-queen]

10, 11, and 25 for the star wars asks!!!!!!

10. Do you think the jedi were right or wrong?That is a loaded question. I believe they had the right idea but were going about it the wrong way... 

11. Who is the most underrated character? I’m going to have to go with Lujayne Forge. She was a member of Wedge’s X Wing crew, and mentor to Gavin Darklighter, but died early on and was pretty quickly replaced by her sister and forgotten. In my interaction with the X Wing fandom I’ve fallen in love with her and wish more people saw her for more than just her death. 

25. Which character do you have a love/hate relationship with?Ezra Bridger. He’s a good boy but oh man so many times during Rebels I’m yelling at the screen, he does not always make intelligent choices... 

Thanks for the ask!! 

[fuckyeahmarajade]

Lujayne Forge

Lujayne Forge was a pilot in the re-formed Rogue Squadron in 6ABY. Whilst not the best pilot in the squadron (as the book points out again and again, even though she must be a pretty damned good pilot to have got into an elite squadron), she was key to the new group pf pilots bonding in the early days, particularly taking the very young Gavin Darklighter under her wing. She was killed in her sleep by imperials attacking the squadron's base on Talasea during their first assignment.

Like a number of female characters, she''s rather neglected in terms of imagery - the illustration above is the only one of her I can find. Possibly understandable given how briefly she appears in the X-wing series (though she does turn up in a vision later). But the case of Lujayne Forge has had me thinking a lot about the way female characters are used in the Stackpole X-wing novels.

I probably need to write something more on that general theme after I've finished re-reading them all. Stackpole's books are in someways great in terms of women, in that he really does actually populate his books with men AND women. That get's a big WOO-HOO as it's something you can't even count on now, twenty years later. And he gives us some bloody fantastic women too. Women are happily mixed into Rogue Squadron as well, without any particular comment. It's great, I loved it when I first read it and I love it now. However, some of the ways the women are portrayed and utilised is less that ideal at times, although this may be a symptom of it's era.

Looking at poor Lujayne in particular; first up she very obviously takes on the 'mother hen' role in the squadron. As mentioned above, she's the 'worst' pilot in the squadron, and we're reminded of that again and again. But she does at least get more character development than many of the other pilots at this point and frankly she's probably the most sympathetic and likable of the lot of them. But the reason she's developed so well is because... well because she's there for the specific purpose of getting shoved in a refrigerator.

I mean, it's great that the female pilots are as likely to get killed in combat as their male counterparts, and Stackpole has no problem doing that. But she doesn't get that - she is the first of the new squadron to die, and it is ignobly, in her sleep, not even able fight back. Her death is entirely for the character development of the rest of the squadron, an object lesson for them. (it's also for the background of her sister, who turns up later in the series). To make things worse, when Wedge tells Corran and Gavin, they rapidly switch the conversation from being about Lujayne, their comrade and friend, to a long conversation about a man, the long-gone Biggs.

In the X-wing books, I would argue that despite the presence of a lot of cool women, the story still revolves around men, and the women, I suspect, primarily exist in service of the men's story lines. Lujayne is just the first victim of that. Maybe as I re-read the rest of the series, it may improve, I'll let you know.

[askroguesquadron]

Lujayne is a shipper!

[twodecadesofladies]

Lujayne Forge

"He let me die. He wanted to play the hero, so I paid the price."

Star Wars (Extended Universe books)

[corelliaxdreaming]

WELCOME TO PILOT HELL @captaingondolin! =D

I’m so glad you listened to and enjoyed the first book! And mood on those Tycho feelings!! Also, yas, WedgeLuke - Luke shows up for a hot minute at the end of book three, and Wedge is very gay at him, you’re gonna love it.

BUT, I gotta say - though it’s obviously your choice and you may not have the time/inclination/ability/etc to read the actual books, I would definitely highly recommend not having the abridged audiobooks be your introduction to this series. I dunno who snapped their fingers at Lucasfilm back in the day and decided the perfect audiobook length was three hours, but they cut so much from these books, it’s maddening. There’s a lot of action in them, but the character stuff is equally as important, and the audiobooks cut the latter in favor of the former EVERY TIME, even when it’s to the detriment of the story.

Example, since you’re already through book one: Lujayne Forge. IIRC, you get basically nothing of her in the audiobook, then an “oh, by the way, she died and now we’re all sad.” In the book, she’s still honestly not a lead, but you get more of her. You get her making friends with Corran (and kinda putting him in place which is great), and you learn that she’s the heart of the squadron, and then it actually means something when she’s the first one to die and like she does. It’s even more a problem in the Wraith books, where they become even more character focused but the audiobooks continue cutting as much of it as they can. Obligatory vague yelling about a Certain Scene they cut entirely from Iron Fist which I will never ever ever forgive them for.

ETA: I was reading through some of the notes I made when I read them, and I forgot the comparison I decided on: the abridged audiobooks ended up basically feeling like bad movie adaptations for me. They’re the same story sure, but just...not really, because there should be so much more.

I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m down on Star Wars audibooks in general! I particularly love the newer, unabriged ones - Marc Thompson is a god to me, and it’s great how immersive they are and how long boring words days lets me get through them faster. And, really, being able to fill in the blanks myself, I did enjoy the X-wing ones in their own way. There’s nothing like hearing a good voice actor speak your favorite charactors’ lines like they’re on the verge of tears or deliver a really amazing death monologue to get a serious wibble out of you!

If you’re interested in ebook versions (ditto for the comics), throw me a message and I can hook you up!

Anyway, to reiterate, I’m really glad you like, and I can’t wait to hear more as you continue! (Also, funnily, it feels like we’re swapping fandoms - you just started X-wing, and I’m just starting The Clone Wars.)

Hi! I need some more Wedge in my life, do you have any recs of something to read? Novels or comics, I like both, and I haven't read any EU stuff yet, so anything you can think of will be appreciated. There's just so much stuff it's overwhelming. Thanks!

Okay, sorry it took me a couple days to get to this, but here we go! Honestly, I was ridiculously thrilled to get this ask. Like, pretty sure I made a noise only dogs could hear, then kept repeating to myself “I’ve trained my entire life for this, my moment has come!” XD

So, yeah, there is a lot, and obviously endeavoring to read it all (or as close to it as you can) like me (I’m obsessive, it’s sad) isn’t for everyone. I think finding a character you really like and just seeking out the things they’re in is a really good place to start.

1. That said, the first thing I absolutely recommend is my very favorite Star Wars book series (and, honestly, piece of SW in general), the X-wing novels by Michael Stackpole and Aaron Allston. There are ten of them (Rogue Squadron, Wedge’s Gample, The Krytos Trap, The Bacta War, Wraith Squadron, Iron Fist, Solo Command, Isard’s Revenge, Starfighters of Adumar, and Mercy Kill), though the tenth takes place significantly further down the timeline than the rest and so is the only one I haven’t personally read yet. Wedge is a lead in all of them, and there are a lot of other compelling characters, too - these books are just so good. And, if you ask me, they’re very easy to read without having to know any of what’s going on around them; they don’t need a lot of context from the rest of the EU. There’s lots of pew-pew action and, particularly in the Wraith Squadron-foucused books (Wraith Squadron/Iron Fist/Solo Command), some truly excellent character stuff. If you want to have a real blast, you should definitely check out the Rogue Podron podcast as you read along!

There’s also a 35-issue X-wing Rogue Squadron comic series that takes place before the novels and shares a handful of the some characters. It’ll give you background on some of what happens in the novels, but it’s not 100% necessary to enjoy them. I didn’t read it the first time I read the books, and I managed fine, though being the continuity slut I am, I enjoyed being able to spot those tie-ins the second time around. I personally enjoyed the book series more, but I also haven’t reread the comics since getting super into pilot fandom, so I might like it even more if I read it again now.

2. However, for Wedge fans, the one-off/special comic (not sure how that works exactly) “X-Wing Rogue Squadron Special” is a must. It’s only 13 pages and involves Wedge pulling a stunt on a mission that upsets the locals, and when they get on his case, Luke puts them in their place by detailing just exactly how and why Wedge is the best and deserves their respect. I love it!

3. The 20-issue comic from 2013 just titled “Star Wars” is also a bucketload of Wedge feelings. 12/10 would recommend. Everyone is super messed up after Yavin, Leia helps form the Rogues - it’s great. I did a more in-depth review of it here, but it contains what are probably considered spoilers if you don’t want that.

Those are the biggest three I’d recommend. A handful of other random mentions:

4. The short comic “Lucky” from Star Wars Tales 23. More Wedge feelings re his lost love from before he joined the Rebellion.

5. Shot comic “A Day in the Life” from Star Wars Tales 12. It’s a serious one, but also Wedge hotwires a serving droid and eats emo sandwiches with Luke in the middle of the night.

6. The Empire and Rebellion comics (40 issues as Star Wars: Empire, then 17 as Star Wars: Rebellion, but it’s all continuing characters and storylines). Wedge only pops up in a handfull of them, but they’re overall excellent series.

7. The Wedge/Qwi stuff in the Jedi Academy trilogy (Jedi Search/Dark Apprentice/Champions of the Force, all by Kevin J. Anderson) is almost painfully adorable, and I enjoyed it a lot, but it’s honestly not that big a part of the story.

X-wing: Starfighters of Adumar is currently the latest in the timeline I’ve read, so I can’t say anything for books/comics after that, though I know the boy does crop up a lot, and I’m looking forward to getting to see him again! Especially seeing as I’m currently in a stint where he doesn’t show up much (mostly cuz I’m kinda focussing on the wrong parts of the timeline - oops!).

Er…this is maybe a little all over, so if you have more questions, please feel free to ask. I love answering them, and I’m really glad I got this and was (hopefully) able to help! Also, I would absoultely love to hear your thoughts if/when you end up reading any of these.

(Also, if anyone has anything to throw on here, please. Especially @drinkupthesunrise, you’re kind of the expert.)