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do you think zuko treated mai fairly? i mean... why didn't he trust her to tell her his deepest thoughts when he abandoned her in the fire nation? i know he loved her but i don't understand why he didn't just tell her instead of hurting her unnecessarily. they're cute but i find it so hard to get past this, i would be so hurt if my bf didn't tell me something so important. and then mai just. forgives zuko so easily even after he locked her in a cell still not trusting her. mai deserves better :(
Itâs kind of funny you ask this, because I lowkey have a lot of feelings about the phrase âx deserved better than yâ. For one, Iâm always cautious around it, because in the A:TLA fandom Iâve seen it thrown around in two main ways:
âKatara deserved better than Aang!â followed by the most ridiculous slander labelling Aang as abusive, toxic, manipulative, etc. (Funnily enough, though, a lot of those people will also go and ship T.aang. Like T.aang is an Excellent ship, do not get me wrong, but itâs clear they just say âKatara deserved betterâ because they hate K.ataang and donât necessarily care one way or the other about Aang.)
âZuko deserved better than Mai!â followed by the most obnoxious bullshit also labelling Mai as abusive, toxic, manipulative, etc. and even - I kid you not - saying sheâs âtoo uglyâ for Zuko. At worst, racist; at best, shallow. (And again, funnily enough, a lot of them will then ship M.ailee, again proving they donât really care one way or another about Mai, they just hate M.aiko.)
Now, Iâm not getting into the K.ataang vs Z.utara vs M.aiko ship wars, lmao, but those are the two primary ways that rhetoric is used. Itâs kind of embarrassing, tbh, how fandom tends to use the phrase to discredit pairings and demonize characters instead of⌠you know. Moving on with their lives, lol.
But your ask fascinates me, anon, because you bring up the point of Zuko not trusting Mai, thus leading to the conclusion of âMai deserves better than Zuko.â Which is interesting, because as I just mentioned, for most people who follow the âx deserves better than yâ phrase, it tends to be used the other way around!
Firstly, however, I want to say that you donât have to ship Maiko. You can read my explanation and walk away still feeling exactly the same way about Mai and Zukoâs relationship (love it, hate it, indifferent to it, all that jazz), and thatâs totally okay! But Iâm going to do my best to explain whatâs off with the rhetoric of âx deserves better than y,â specifically regarding Maiko. My thesis, as it were?
Itâs not about âdeserve.â
Disclaimer: This obviously does not refer to genuinely unhealthy/abusive relationships. I shouldnât have to say that, but we all know how Tumblr is. I digress.
Love isnât about âdeserve.â At first glance, thatâs kind of a confusing take, isnât it? Donât we all âdeserveâ someone who will respect us, appreciate us, and treat us well? Of course we do! But those are just qualities of any healthy relationship. When I say that love isnât about âdeserve,â I mean that love canât be simplified quite so easily. Here is a definition of âdeserveâ:
âdo something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment)â
How do we make ourselves âworthyâ of love? I (an optimist) donât think we do. Love isnât about worthiness; I believe we are all âworthyâ of love simply by existing. Instead, I argue that love is about openness. Itâs not about if we âdeserveâ love or not, but rather if we allow ourselves to be open to it.
All of this is to say that itâs not about whether or not Mai âdeservesâ or âdeserves better thanâ Zuko; itâs that she is open to receive love from him, and he from her. She wants to love and be loved by Zuko. No one else. She says it to Azula herself: âI love Zuko more than I fear you.â Mai chooses Zuko, full stop, just as Zuko chose her by a) doing everything in his power to keep her out of his betrayal of the Fire Nation (why would he risk putting a death sentence on her head, too?) and b) reuniting with her happily at the end of the show (i.e. he didnât brush her off; he smiles his widest smile in the entire show during that scene!). So itâs not about âdeserve.â Itâs about these two kids loving and finding love in one another. A Shakespeare quote is particularly relevant here:
âLove sought is good, but given unsought is better.â (Twelfth Night â Act 3, Scene 1)
We are all looking for love, be it romantic or platonic or anything in-between, and there is no better feeling than we receive love even when we feel we donât âdeserveâ it. Mai is willing to work with Zuko to make their relationship work despite his mistakes, because itâs not about if he âdeservesâ her, but because she knows he is willing to grow and improve (and she is, too).
Also, within the series of A:TLA (specifically towards the middle-end of Book 3), it can be concluded that Zuko believes that he is no longer âworthyâ of Maiâs love. That he doesnât âdeserveâ her love because of how he abandoned her (and she is the only thing about the Fire Nation he regrets leaving behind). Mai disagrees with him. She is open to a relationship with Zuko because she loves him for an infinite number of reasons (one being that he does what is right, including going against the Fire Nation, even if she did not at first understand). When Zuko realizes this by the time the finale comes around, they reconcile in a tender embrace.
And what reason are we ever given to doubt Mai regarding whether or not she âdeservesâ better than Zuko? Mai is perfectly aware of her own worth. She breaks up with Zuko in âThe Beachâ because his behavior is inexcusable and she knows that she doesnât have to put up with it. Even in the comics, which are handled poorly, I donât entirely hate the Maiko breakup because again, Mai knows that she does not have to be responsible for Zukoâs well-being. She loves him, she loves him so much, and she tries to help him, but she is not his therapist. So again, why should we doubt Mai? Going back to the A:TLA finale - Mai knows what she âdeservesâ and what she doesnât. She knows what she will and what she wonât put up with. And after everything, she is still open to a relationship with Zuko. Because love isnât about âdeserve,â and it never has been.
To address your other questions:
why didnât he trust her to tell her his deepest thoughts when he abandoned her in the fire nation? i know he loved her but i donât understand why he didnât just tell her instead of hurting her unnecessarily.
You almost answer your question yourself, anon. â[H]is deepest thoughtsâ? Who tells anyone their âdeepest thoughtsâ? We actually talked about this in my Shakespeare class (I know, right? lmao). A very common trope in Shakespeareâs tragedies is a lack of communication. We all read Romeo and Juliet and Othello and were like âdude, if they had just talked to each other, none of those bad things would have happened!!â (and thus those tragedies might have been comedies).
My professor agreed with us. Then he asked, well, why do you think Shakespeare doesnât have anyone communicate?
One brave soul said, âThatâd be too easy.â
Which is⌠almost right. Perhaps, narratively, it would be too easy. The plays would definitely be resolved much faster. But the truth? Itâs too hard. People donât communicate clearly in real life. They hide certain things because theyâre embarrassed, theyâre ashamed, theyâre afraid. Even couples whoâve been together for years will admit that they donât tell each other everything, for whatever reason. People are imperfect, and thus their relationships are, too.
(Slightly amusing sidebar: Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are actually an example of a perfect couple, because Macbeth confides everything to Lady Macbeth in Act 1. And, well, we all know how that went down[hill], lmao.)
So why didnât Zuko tell Mai the truth when he was leaving the Fire Nation? He was afraid! He says it himself in âThe Boiling Rockâ: âEveryone in the Fire Nation thinks Iâm a traitor. I couldnât drag her into it.â Zuko is afraid of what might happen to Mai! He knows the Fire Nation now has a price on his head - why would he wish that on Mai? Itâs bad enough that sheâs the (former) girlfriend of a traitor! How much worse might it have been for her if sheâd been associated with him after heâd threatened the Fire Lordâs life*? Iâm not saying this to excuse Zukoâs decision, because perhaps Mai would have agreed to join him (although we cannot conclude this with total certainty), and I certainly think breaking up by text letter was a pretty crappy way to go about it, but all the same, he was trying to protect her. When Mai realizes this, what does she do?
Saves his ass from Azula and utters one of the most iconic lines in the entire series.
*Also, a kind of interesting parallel presents itself between Zuko and Hamlet here, lmao. One interpretation of Hamletâs âget thee to a nunnery!â scene with Ophelia is reading it as him trying to cut ties with her in the cruelest way possible so she wouldnât try to follow him and possibly get hurt as he killed Claudius (aka regicide, the highest crime in Denmark). While itâs arguable that Zuko isnât quite so perceptive, lmao, there is the possibility that Zuko thought breaking up with Mai in such a callous way would help prevent her from remaining attached to him and thus getting mixed up in his mess (killing the Fire Lord, aka the A:TLA equivalent of regicide, the highest crime in the Fire Nation). Just something to ponder!
and then mai just. forgives zuko so easily even after he locked her in a cell still not trusting her.
I donât know if Iâd call her forgiveness âeasy.â Making the decision to betray Azula? Thatâs hard. Mai was signing herself up for a death sentence, because Azula doesnât take prisoners (Aang can testify to this, lmao). If Ty Lee hadnât been there, Mai almost certainly would have died. So yeah. I wouldnât call her forgiveness âeasy,â anon. I think itâs one of the scariest choices she ever made.
Of course, one can argue that Maiâs true forgiveness of Zuko actually came later, which I donât necessarily disagree with. I think Maiâs initial instinct was to trust Zuko because she knows him better than perhaps anyone (thus she realizes he wouldnât walk away from the Fire Nation without true cause), hence her betrayal of Azula. When she survived because of Ty Leeâs chi-blocking (since honestly, Mai probably didnât think sheâd get that far) and was ultimately imprisoned, I bet she had plenty of time to think about Zuko and her relationship with him. Working on that presumption, again, I donât think Iâd call her forgiveness âeasy,â because she likely took several days if not weeks to process everything.
Also, you say Zuko doesnât trust her because a) he didnât inform her of what he was doing when he left the Fire Nation and b) he locked her in a cell at the Boiling Rock. I understand that perspective, but again, I go back to this line: âEveryone in the Fire Nation thinks Iâm a traitor. I couldnât drag her into it.â Does that sound like someone who doesnât trust Mai? I think the better description is that Zuko feared for Mai, as I mentioned earlier. Did he lock her in a cell because he thought sheâd betray him, or because he thought it was the last thing he could do to protect her when everything went to shit as he, Sokka, Suki, and etc. were all escaping from prison? Could it have been a little bit of both? We canât say for sure, of course, but given how happy Zuko was around Mai in âNightmares and Daydreams,â I think his love for her ultimately outweighed his worries about Maiâs ties to Azula, which leads me to conclude his locking her in a cell was less about distrust and more a final, last-ditch attempt at keeping her out of his mess.
Plus, Zuko has issues. Mai knows this. She loves him all the same for it. As I said earlier, she is open to giving love to and receiving love from Zuko. I think itâs a bit of a discredit to Maiâs character to assume she forgave him easily. And besides! She told him herself: âBut donât ever break up with me again.â Mai implicitly tells him hey, donât pull that BS again, and Zuko gives her an embarrassed smile before they hold each other in a gentle, loving embrace. Itâs not a direct statement, and maybe that puts some people off from it, but Mai is firmly implying that she wants him to trust her more, and Zuko acknowledges this (and heâs rightfully a little embarrassed that he kept her out of it, since hindsight is 20/20 and he now understands she probably would have gone with him; do remember, of course, that he had no way of knowing that initially).
do you think zuko treated mai fairly?
Well, how do we define âfairlyâ? I guess the short answer is no, he didnât, but what other choice did he believe he had at the time? Answer: none. It was either keep Mai out of it and guarantee her safety or drag Mai into it (which Zuko likely saw as a selfish option, i.e. what right did he have to pull his girlfriend into treason just because he didnât want to lose her company?) and risk losing her. As viewers, we know thereâs more to the situation than that, but Zuko doesnât have our luxury. So his decision to keep Mai out of it and thus try to protect her? I would call that a âfairâ assessment, yes.
And besides, anon:
âThe course of true love never did run smooth.â (A Midsummer Nightâs Dream - Act 1, Scene 1)
Mai and Zuko chose each other. Who are we to deny them their happiness?

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