#louis is just helen of troy

[morninriverview]

i love fictional relationships where one of them is the worst person on earth no compassion no empathy no morals absolute dumpster fire of a human being and the other one is either 1) helen of troy 2) a rando 3) both

[hyohaehyuk]

leticia22ma: remember that time sam whispered ‘right’ to himself after the guy called jacob pretty

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[weepinglestat]

trying to louis de pointe du lac my way into a relationship

[oh-alicent]

ughhhh the feelings for them i feel

Happy Saturday, everyone!

(also on twt)

[lafamilledelioncourt]

we joke about louis being helen of troy, but guys, he got lestat and armand in a singular look down bad crying at the gym.

these ancient vampires who were feral about each other took one look at his bright ass eyes and his cocky little half smile and just lost their fucking minds.

their asses 404 errored the second he batted his eyes in their direction. there is no recovery.

[dwreader]

louis dragging himself out of bed injured as hell in terrible pain just days after a suicide attempt to tell the man whose life he just saved that he isn't worthless, that he will do important things and to remember his words whenever he loses hope... is why he's the most special helen of troy girl of everyone's dreams of this entire series. she's quite literally not like other vampires.

[kuethemoon]

iwtv fanfic friday: lesbianism onto the guys

@oldbutchdaniel I'm joining the fun. it's yuri time

two-headed mother by tisiphones // e, 8.6k

"Poor darling," Armand says, and the condescension in his voice is so awful and so offensive and Lestat wants to curl up in it and never, ever leave. "It's okay to let yourself be taken care of for just one night. You can't help what you need." It's Lestat's last night in Paris. Armand makes it a memorable one.

actually world changing. mommy issues galore it's sooo fun and this fic is part of several that got me into armandstat

super graphic ultra modern girl by armanddelioncourt // e, 0.9k

“I want to watch how you insert your tampon.” “Wha—No, you weirdo,” she glanced around the mercifully-deserted aisle. “You can’t just ask me that in the store!”

yummmmmy period blood fic!!! i love period blood fics sooo much and they're so cute

More than Neither by apoptoses // e, 6.2k

Annoying, how hot it is to see Armand kneeling on the dirty bathroom floor like this. Without her heels to compensate for their height difference she looks small, delicate. Her face is on the level with Daniel’s hips and Daniel knows what’s about to happen. Armand has probably been planning for this since they stepped into the store, she realizes. There’s no way she’d catch Daniel bleeding for the first time and let that go. (Daniel gets her period. Armand helps. Written for the Queens of the Damned prompt butch/femme.)

another period blood fic pls bartender! if I tip you can add them being freaky in a public toilet? thank you very much I'll take the lot pls!! the way daniel and armand handle being women and lesbians is so well written. dyke stamp of approval. if you're starting to notice a trend don't tell me

she loves me, she loves me not by IguessIllchangeitlater // e, 2.3k

“Sure,” she panted and raised her head, tried to find Armand’s eyes, but kept focusing on her fanged smile instead. “I will wear that fucking skirt.” Push out, push in, push out, push in, Daniela was going to come just from that, she was going to die. “I can’t-ah, I can’t wear my underwear with that, I would look silly.” Push in, push out. “Yes,” Armand agreed. She rested her head on the mattress, next to Daniela’s knee and busied herself with mouthing the blood that was still there. The blood that she drew earlier. “So, what’s the plan, boss?” Daniela managed to raise herself on her elbows. Armand’s beguiled eyes looked like that of a cat in the light of the night. “For the underwear situation?” “You will wear none, of course.”

butch daniel wearing a skirt because armand said so was an idea that bounced around in my head for a whole week so you know how excited I was to read this. hell yeah they're so bad to each other

sweet things for the sea by ulatraviolet_glow // e, 2.6k

Danielle Molloy, a runaway posing as a young man on a trading ship dreams of a better life, but when her dreams find her falling overboard and into the arms of the woman of her dreams, how disturbed will Dani be when she realises that the woman is not human at all, but a creature of the sea?

siren armand do you know how much you mean to meeeeee I lay awake at night thinking of you sinfully. siren armand...

one of your girls by sleepdeprivedsurgeon // m, 4.7k

“I was thinking maybe I’d go with my girlfriend,” Daniel says. Armand sucks in a breath, a familiar blend of excitement and fever rearing its head inside him. This isn’t new— nothing is, after nearly five centuries— but it’s certainly been a while. Louis doesn’t care what he looks like, what he is, just as long as he stays below him. On his knees in the endless confessional. Marius would dress him up sometimes: Helen of Troy, Cassandra, Mary Magdalene. When the painting was finished he’d push his skirts up and take him there in the studio.

technically not yuri but beautiful feminization + crossdressing armand and I had to put it here. special treat!

[jessaerys]

honestly i think part of the reason why sam reid's and jacob anderson's acting is so striking (especially anderson) is that they aren't afraid to emote with their whole face in ways that are currently considered "overacting". the way louis's face just crumples up is so shocking because it's so rare to see on screen. i once went down a rabbithole of amateur acting advice and it was frankly wild to me that advice like "put tape between your eyebrows so you don't rely on them to emote" is extremely common. think of all the movies you've watched where people (though more often women) react to any and all range of emotional events with a beautiful, almost-neutral face except for some tears. think of anya taylor joy in the vvitch vs anya taylor joy in the menu. if i'm allowed to put on my tinfoil hat i wonder if it's because the overabundance of botox in hollywood has made people forget that like, foreheads and corners of mouths are literally there for the purpose of displaying emotions. sorry i forgot this post was about vampires. weepy helen of troy is that anything

[theresthespark]

Okay Lestat is canonically a Scorpio and Louis a Libra which are both painfully accurate. I wanted to play Estelle and share my astrology headcanons

Claudia:

Leo rising – the hair, the general slayage, her association with yellow aka the sun

Aries sun – she’s so bold plus libra and Aries are sister signs so they share traits that present different which feels right for Louis and her’s kinship

Taurus moon – not prone enough to over emotionality to be a water sign but not overly practical in the way the other earth signs are. Very stubborn and does canonically enjoy beauty and luxury. Also if you know a Taurus I feel like it just makes sense

Madeleine:

Virgo Rising – She just gives demure when we first meet her and yet no bullshit either. Virgos just seems very put together almost unassuming which is funny since every Virgo I know is crazy lol

Aquarius sun – the decisions she’s made in her life feel the best suited for an Aquarian. Also her talking to Armand? That woman stopped giving a fuck about what everyone else is doing years ago

Cancer moon – Almost did Scorpio here but her loyalty and intensity didn’t feel suited there. Cancer still has some of Scorpio’s snap but its homey and soft too. I also can’t see Claudia gravitating towards someone similar to Lestat at all lol

(Bonus: suspected Aries Venus. The intensity of her!! Her directness when she cares! How she chases life and joy!)

Armand:

Pisces Rising – those big ole eyes are a big marker for this one. Also Pisces have big baby energy despite being the oldest sign which feels perfect for him

Gemini Sun – Please what else could he be? There’s the 27 different faces but more so, the love for technology and knowledge, the urge to always strategize. The near inability to ground into his emotions. The perpetual anxiety. Also Geminis are so funny without even trying but that’s just me

Capricorn Moon – Caps are ruled by Saturn which is in short a struggle bus placement. Fits well with the forever 27 thing (stuck in perpetual Saturn return) and his tendency to self flagellate. Also it being represent by the devil card in tarot. Iykyk

Daniel:

Capricorn rising – When you first meet him he comes off quite no bullshit in a way that only makes sense for Capricorn to me. Also fits for the workaholic tendencies (our risings tend to be a truest to self energy aka us at our best). Also feel that may be what draws Armand to him hehehe

Sagittarius sun – If you look up famous Sags all of them are silly goobers (and lowkey problematic 💀). Like him being a Sag makes SO much sense to me for San Francisco. Only a Sag would make that many dumb decisions just bc it was a vibe lmaoo

Aries moon – Thinking about Eric’s comment about Daniel not taking kindly to bullies. Also how similar him and Claudia feel to me I feel they’d share some major signage too

(Bonus: Gemini Mercury bc his got the gift of the gab, the quick wit)

Louis: (i couldn’t resist finishing their big three)

Libra rising – Ruled by Venus, Helen of Troy, Malena coded. What else could he be really?

Libra sun – Painfully canon

Scorpio moon – With how he talks about himself and his life versus how he moves through the world it makes perfect sense to me. So much emotion but also a lot of passion all bottled unless in the right company. Also he would loooove SZA (plus plus you’re more likely to become heavily attached to people who’s sun is your moon)

Lestat:

Aquarius rising – Leo’s sister sign (perfect for him and Claudia’s dynamic). She’s a rebel she does her own thing she does not give a flying fuck about the rest of yall. Only an Aquarius could be responsible for the events in Queen of the Damned

Scorpio sun – Again debilitatingly canon

Leo moon – Do I even need to explain it? Pull any TVL passage if you want an explanation lmaooo

I hope you enjoyed my analyzes I love astrology and would kill to get a proper birth chart for these characters. The house placements! The Aspects! The CHIRONS!! I need to chill

[blueiight]

can i ask your thoughts on the fandom’s heavy focus on louis as an object of desire? it sometimes feels to me like people are more interested in other characters reacting to louis than they are in louis himself. i know the “helen of troy” stuff is a joke but it genuinely seems like he’s often rendered oddly passive in his desirability, like we’re looking at him through the eyes of the other characters even though it’s his story (to be clear: in the fandom, not the actual show). or am i being uncharitable? either way, you always have interesting things to say about fandom reception.

i think the focus of louis as an object of desire arose largely in response to a lot of racially-charged nonsense about show louis, namely, where a loud minority of fans tried to deny the abuse and horror of season 1 and frame louis as the primary antagonist/abuser of his own story. which in of itself had the potential to go somewhere, especially considering the feminized role louis occupies in parts of season 1. unfortunately its spiraled off into its own dead end at this point to where now people, a year and a half removed from the release of s1, can box louis's character arc into this tale of getting all the hot boys to look her way. when this is a horror and tragedy series. romance is part of that, but is a piece of the full picture. classic romance is very much horror tbh but thats just me

if we're discussing the show strictly, majority of louis's relationships are antagonistic. even with his lovers, they love him as much as they seek to control him. 'his love is a small box that he keeps you in', trailer louis saying 'i knew who i was without those pieces [of myself?]' . so on and so forth. the first three episodes of season 1 are about louis's struggle to maintain a link with his mortal community, in the midst of increasing racist tensions against the city leaders, all as he struggles to come to terms with his existence as a vampire and how his relationship to lestat fits in relation to all these pieces of himself. doubly so, there is also the nature of the second interview in present time, and the sort of antagonism between daniel + louis as louis eventually pushes daniel into burning the old tape. the latter half of season 1, episodes 4-7 is squarely about the triad of lestat, louis, and claudia, how lestat increasingly tightens his hold over them both, claudia breaking them free of it, and louis's response to such. doubly so, daniel becomes more hostile the less he knows, and the more louis's composed 'master of his instincts' personage collapses to show the broken man thats underneath. armand comes in at the end bc the interview has reached a breaking point once more [as it did in the 1970s]. i know, im looking too hard into the meme, but so much of where louis errs, where his memory falters, where history is completely revised, has to do with the question of claudia. even book interview foundationally was about this grief, though not nearly with the level of depth+ gravity the show has added to the story.

where focusing on louis as an 'object of desire' most impedes analysis has to do with claudia as well, bc if u see louis as that solely, then what is claudia to u if not a 'child interfering in [louis's] romantic affairs'? why are people already seeking to write claudia off as a wayward child unduly 'taking out her anger on louis', when it was louis at the end of season 1 who strangled her against the wall and refused to let her burn lestat? when its louis in the trailer thats throwing claudia's words from season 1 back at her, evading her questions in the cafe? when claudia is having to dress as a baby doll and advertise with a sandwich board for a theater + a coven-master that all want her dead?

i think this is by nature of the fact that iwtv is canonly gay and isnt afraid of showing that, and modern fandom is mainly interested in romance. claudia's relationship to louis is secondary, if not tertiary, to all 'camps' of this tiny tiny fandom bc she is clearly established in s1 as not being a viable romantic option for louis, despite claudia's perspective and her story taking up the second half of the first season, and will continue to be important in the second season. the 'helen of troy' fixation on his desirability in relation to romantically viable vampires [or even men] seems to be another means by which fans can ignore this part of the story, just as the mutual abuse nonsense about louis being clarence thomas the third self hating black man who stole lestat's lunchables and is 'just as bad as the rest' drowned out and continues to drown out any other conversation for the past year and a half. it is very difficult to have conversations on this character precisely bc of this state of fandom, where many people seek to crack the whip over a fictional character for not being mother teresa and having a complex response to trauma, then instead of discussing that, some seek to fixate on the fact that mother teresa can be sexy, actually. when thats not the point. why is modern louis so full of grief and all but suicidal in dubai, if not for the fact that claudia is permanently dead, he still lives, he regrets something, and wants to find the truth under it all? the jokes are cute and all, but lets put our thinking caps on.

[deterioratingpisces]

I know we all like to call Louis the Helen of Troy of Vampires, but that’s just bc she is!!!

[katurdayss]

Rewatched 1994 Interview with the Vampire last night, cuz Halloween, and kept thinking about that running meme of Louis de Point du Lac is the Helen of Troy of the Vampire Chronicles Universe because I had forgotten (GASP) how beautiful/gorgeous/baby girl Brad Pitt's Louis was.

I mean come on! Him in a sewer with rats with his hair wet? Damn right Lestat gave him a daughter right after. Covered in dirt and soot after being locked in a coffin and seeing Claudia's carbonized body crumble? Damn straight Armand kept his mouth shut on what the pretty boy was planning to just have a chance. Sometimes his hair would just fall a certain way?

Jacob Anderson? Don't get me started on his Louis. We all KNOW how beautiful that man can be. Multiple gifsets abound, I don't need to rehash how beautiful he looked in the Mardi Gras Party or just sitting in the streetcar, or how he'd get that soft look on his face?

30 years on the casting departments were all still in agreement. God damn.

*Side note, my dad was always convinced Pitt should of played Lestat in '94 but he could never figure out a replacement for Louis when I would press him on it

[nalyra-dreaming]

The helen of troy is Louis, if you know her story then you understand the links lmao

LOL do you really think I would reject this comparison if I didn’t know it.

Louis is no poor woman in distress and there won’t be a war over him (or being triggered between lovers of him) either. He got himself out his situation with Armand by his own means, and he managed despite Armand trying to keep him.

As I said I get where it comes from but I don’t buy into it, Armand’s imprisonment of Louis or not, because people don’t build up the parallels of the story, it’s all just about beauty and being abducted and having not much agency over it from what I‘ve seen.

So laugh at me for taking this not just as a meme to laugh at, but that’s actually on you.

[lovefrombegonia]

More IWTV rambling:

⚠️ SPOILER WARNING ⚠️

This is just my speculation. I haven't read the books. All I know is the series and movies. Ok...So: I think that, initially, Armand wanted to actually kill Louis and Claudia to avenge Lestat or to teach the new vampires a lesson for breaking the great laws or something. He might have planned the play much, much in advance too. Might have even thought of attracting Lestat to Paris by using Louis and Claudia as bait. But gradually as he grew closer to Louis, and even shared his most intimate and traumatic past with him, Armand genuinely started falling for Louis. He really started caring for him. He was fighting his feelings for Louis, maybe, because he was scared to fall in love again. He loved Lestat the last time, and was abandoned. Side note: there might be more to that story, regarding one Nicky details, but Armand would still perceive it as abandonment.

So, on one hand he is really having romantic feels for Louis but on the other hand he has already planned with the coven to kill him. He might have thought Louis dying would be better for himself coz he didn't want to deal with conflicting feelings anymore. The trial will the end of his confusion. But then...Lestat saved Louis. It's possible by that point in the play Armand was already regretting that he was letting Louis die. I am certain he doesn't give a fuck about Claudia. So....when Lestat saved Louis, Armand planned to save him from the rock filled coffin, and become the knight in shining armour. Hm. Sort of.

And then, over the 70 years of living together, Armand had genuinely and completely fallen for Louis. Didn't want to lose him. Even let Daniel interview him again. Maybe he thought he could always handle keeping the secrets safe. Unfortunately, for our old boy, Daniel...turned out to be a fearless, fierce, charming and witty af journalist. The talamasca fucked it up too by teaming with him. It's why Armand turned Daniel as punishment. He never wanted to turn, as said by him in season 1. Armand remembered that, it even looked like that reply from Daniel affected him.

So, I do feel like that he still loves Louis (everyone is in love with him like damn, Helen of Troy could never). Does he still have feelings for Lestat? I didn't think so but I read a twitter post that implied that he still had some feels for Lestat. Might be something from the books. Either way, I am sure he still felt love for Louis.

Maybe...maybe, initially, he saved Louis to make Lestat jealous too. Like a rebound?? But later on, by the time it was 1970s, Armand has accepted his romantic feelings for Louis. Lestat is staying away from Louis, might be out of guilt or whatever reason. Everything is going ok... except it's not ok. Coz Louis...is still so connected to Lestat by the "vampire bond". He still thinks about the brat. I think it was even implied that he still sees dreamstat (I fucking love that petname btw).

Armand was always in a lose-lose situation it seems. He either loses Louis to death or Lestat. I am not sad for him. I just feel like...for such a powerful, ancient vampire, he is pretty pathetic. Armand, Armand...another fascinating character. So broken, so dangerous, so cruel and so, so delicately pretty. Sometimes, I still hear him saying "Your FASCINATING boy!!"

[IGNORE EVERYTHING I SAY. I KNOW NOTHING. I FEEL LIKE SHIT.]

[lafamilledelioncourt]

New Chapter... LOUIS FINDS OUT CLAUDIA IS ALIVE. AHHHHHHHHHHHH. -trips, falls, disappears into a puff of smoke-

A Deal of Consequence || writerformanymuses

Chapter 37: The Men Start Wars, Yet Troy Hates Helen?

Summary:

The Unholy Family returns to Night Island with the cure, along with an unexpected guest, but what will be the cost? Reunions are cut short by the final bomb dropping on Louis de Pointe du Lac. His daughter, his beloved Claudia, is alive.

No excerpts in this chapter because I want you going into this with a tight asshole and stiff neck, and I want you walking out sobbing and like the headless horseman.

Just know, I screamed, I cried, I laid on the carpet, and just felt sad for a while. I 100% know there will be unsubs because I had to do it to em, boss. At least this isn't the last chapter?

We got:

OG Unholy Family Reunion

Armand Facing His Mortal Family ala TVA

DM Reunion/Claudia and Armand Reunion

Oh, and Louis fucking finding out Claudia has been alive this entire time and everyone who he loves has lied to his face.

ANYWAY, RUNNING AWAY NOW.

[dwreader]

remember when “does louis even love lestat” was a debated topic for most of season 1 like ldpdl is at her core a withholder but that’s why these men are obsessed!! if it was easy they both would’ve moved on decades ago like lestat dumped nicki’s ass when he became inconvenient but he would not leave louis under any circumstances even when louis fully closed up pussy for nearly a decade. even after lestat knew louis was plotting to kill him he refused to let him go. but when jacob says louis is the problem in both these relationships… and that sentiment is maybe borderline victim blaming but like he does have the ability to drive a man insane. it’s like when you see him be so sweet and comforting towards armand at times you totally understand why he would suffer years of coldness and gaslight him just to feel that warmth again someday. MAYBE I WOULD TOO!!! he’s always going to be a little unattainable there’s a part of him that no one will ever reach and that’s what makes him MS HELEN OF TROY.