#lore Olympus 231

[pinklikeroses]

Lo ep 231// spoilers

Sighs buckle up buttercup bc this is gonna be looong

I knew about the proposal well before this episode, gonna say a week or two in advance.

Now I knew this chapter would be bad, nay— terrible

But I didn’t think it’d be as terrible if not worse than I thought it was. This is far far worse than the previous ep retconning Demeter’s character as a whole. While writing in going back and forth through the ep to break it all down , so I can gather my thoughts properly, stay on topic and not derail from the subject matter

Okay

Here we go:

The chapter starts off with an ominous logo change (eye roll) indicating it’s gonna “ different from past chapters. Spoiler alert it’s not. just a repeat of what our two protagonists have been doing from the get go

-Persephone laments about how she thought she was special bc of how overprotective her mother was of her, that she did her best ruling the mortal realm, making her own choices and that she’ll never be able to fulfill the expectations or live the life her mother wanted for her.

(Something we didn’t see her show any concern for while on Olympus)

She goes on to say she knows how her mother is treating her isn’t right, yet all she wanted to do is please her, to have that constant praise, and that had this been anyone else she would’ve put them in their place.

-I don’t like the chains used in this panel as symbolism bc it’s far from what we’ve seen of Demeter in previous eps. It’s stated from the beginning Demeter is overprotective, her controlling paranoid behavior clearly stems from generational trauma, seeing her mother eaten, her sister cut in half. Her explaining her theory of fertility goddesses, which was later proved CORRECT! Btw! Her putting Persephone into the TGoEM to keep her safe from gods that could use her for their own personal gain. This holds no weight, only to persuade the audience how bad mother Demeter is from Persephone’s perspective it doesn’t hold up

Second, Persephone had no problem turning minthe into plant for rightfully ratting her out about mass genocide. She had no problem bullying an ex classmate from college, who had no choice but be nice to her bc of his job as a customer service representative.

The only ppl Persephone “puts in their place” are ones that can’t fight back, no Kronos doesn’t count.

-Now I just wanna say standing up to an overprotective, controlling parent isn’t easy. I have two myself it’s hard setting boundaries I’m not dismissing that. It’s a struggle. Especially when it’s someone who raised and cared for you, yet constantly told you they know what’s best for you instead of you yourself.

But Persephone is a 30 yr old woman, who’s had next to no character development. So why should we expect that? Before and After the trial arc she’s done nothing but act like a spoiled brat. Helplessly running to hades to solve her problems and shield her from the consequences of her own actions.

Not once thinking of her mother, forgetting her completely after the big fight with Kronos and not bothering to ask about her further when Zeus tells her she’s fine.

Persephone is nothing more than a selfish brat who cares only for herself, bullying others and seeking entitlement she hasn’t earned.

-she goes on to say how could someone she holds in such high reguard hold contempt for her choices.

In context, mind you, Demeter is against her relationship with Hades. A man she knew only for four fucking weeks, didn’t see for 10yrs who she’s living with! Four weeks! She’s known this guy! They had one date. Only one! Not even rebuilding their friendship or catching up they just jump into being a couple.

It’s valid that her mother wouldn’t approve this! And just makes Persephone look like a delusional idiot. Honey you don’t know this guy. He tricked and manipulated you into a relationship. You were the other woman. You were the home wrecker. You knew he was in a relationship and pursued him anyway. And he pursued you! You’re mother is concerned for your well being.

-We’re supposed to see Demeter as this controlling evil parent when in reality she’s a concerned mother. Those of us who are critical with this comic see right through the shallow narrative and attempt to get the audience to side with our protagonist and see Demeter as a manipulative hag who only wants full and total control of her daughter. But this is flawed this is a retcon. This backfired.

The only reason we see the emotional manipulation is bc it was thrown in as a plot device and excuse for rs to use for her poor writing and mislead us into thinking this is how Demeter’s always been. When it came out Of nowhere. We’ve never seen her this way up until now. This trauma is used as a connivence. Like the SA was used to make hades look better, the emotional manipulation was used to make Demeter look bad.

And as someone who’s experienced this with their own parents I am disgusted with the way it was used in this story. I hate it. When the fast pass first came out there was no trigger warning at the beginning of the previous episode! That was only added AFTER it became public bc so many readers told Rachel under instagram post. This is something she shouldn’t need to be told! And the fact that it triggered so many ppl is infuriating! I myself had a hard time reading it, and had to control my breathing bc I was getting g so worked up and that was AFTER the public post of the comic!

RS only uses trauma as plot devices with no resolution. Only to demonize and up lift characters.Point blank period.

Demeter says ruling the underworld would be too much for Persephone and points out the tree she grew there, the same tree that awakened frigging Kronos.

She’s right. Ruling the mortal realm was too much for her. So much so Persephone was struggling, draining herself with her powers just to keep up with her moms work. But she did work and work hard. Not as hard as she thought she was as confirmed in previous episodes with Zeus failing her and the previous one her mother pointing out all the unfinished work and damage.

Hades called that tree a gift, but it was that very tree that led to his and many other gods laying dormant for 10yrs!! Peres wasn’t responsible with her powers on Olympus and in the underworld coddled by hades. Since her return, he doesn’t want her to work! It seems as well intentioned bc she “worked SO hard in the mortal realm” but it’s not. This is a man who wants to keep a woman under his thumb. She was supposed to work! That was the point of her punishment and she couldn’t even do that right.

She isn’t fit to rule a kingdom, shes bullying lower class citizens and is okay staying at home without questioning her partner!

Okay I don’t wanna derail too much so now I’ll talk about the proposal. My god the proposal!!!

This was god awful! So awful.

Nothing about this was empowering, uplifting or romantic. It was manipulative, shallow, self indulgent, conceited and self absorbed. It’s safe to say Hades has become one of my least favorite characters. And it’s not hard to see why.

He goes on to say being from the beginning of time and space deem Persephone worthy of ruling the underworld, a clear jab at Demeter (what a prick that Hades).

-he goes on this long annoying self absorbed tangent. Putting Persephone on this ridiculously high pedestal while lamenting about himself. Me me me! You did this for ME. You made ME feel this way, IM so lucky to have you. It’s all about him. Persephone isn’t her own person in his eyes. It’s all about how she is WITH HIM!. She’s HIS savior, shes nothing more than HIS queen, not a queen HIS queen.

It’s so possessive and demeaning and gross.

This is right after/during her emotional roller coster with her mom!!! Who just emotionally manipulated her not one episode ago! And he’s doing it with this proposal! In front of dozens of ppl and her mother!

But bc he’s her partner and he “loves” her it’s okay. It’s framed as sentimental when it’s no different from the emotional manipulation we just saw! He’s scumbag, talking advantage of an emotionally vulnerable person abs it’s framed as good! Its terrible.

And finally we see her hands turn pink again from the wedding ring. Another jab at Demeter. I guess to symbolize her freedom?? But to me ? It undoes all the hard work that came with them. Persephone’s green hands I guess were meant to symbolize her trying to be like her mother, but to me it showed the one good thing about her character. It showed she had to WORK for her powers. She had to work hard to maintain them. She had to get off her butt and figure out her way of doing things.

Her hands turning pink isn’t a flex it’s a representation that she’d rather be pampered and coddled by a partner. Reaping the benefits of slave labor and live a life of luxury instead of nature.

It’s not romantic running from an overprotective parent only thrust yourself into a marriage To a person you’ve barely known. This wasn’t sweet or sentimental. This was rushed, sloppy, shallow and manipulative.

What I wanted out of this chapter?

Persephone to stand up to her mother even if they didn’t meet a middle ground, for her to voice her opinion, put her foot down and say her choices were her own.

Instead? We once again get white knight Hades making this whole thing about himself. And Persephone letting him. Demeter is jabbed at, demonized and made a villain. Hades is praised despite doing the same emotionally abusive tactic.

This was absolute garbage. And we’re well past disappointment. No depth. No substance just trash.

[spicylove4ever]

Lore Olympus 231 reactions

As per usual, I feel compelled to remind that Lore Olympus is a comic that dwells on Hades and Persephone as a couple and roots for them, SO IT'S ONLY NATURAL DEMETER IS GOING TO BE PORTRAYED AS THE ANTAGONIST. Also, the author has every right to do with their work whatever they feel like, since it's her work and art.

So, a child leaving home is painful for the parents, and is natural that is saddening. The Hymn to Demeter is about this pain, so far so good, but I feel like this comic reminds us that still it's not a reason to try to keep your offspring tied to you when they have showed multiple times that they want to have their own life, which is something absolutely natural as well.

With all this in mind, let's begin with the reaction and comments.

So we start with Persephone asking Hades to stay as an spectator-moral support by just their pressense. Persephone is sure she is ready for whatever her mother is going to do, since Persephone is aware her mother is not happy with her moving out, but she's sure a good normalized talk, insisting in how she is determined that she is starting a new life that she fully wishes is going to be enough....

.... only Demeter has clearly decided to go fully wrecking ball mode to attack every independency idea and rip it to the root.

Interesting detail: despite inviting the members of TGOEM, I don't see Artemis or Athena anywhere.

Emotional Wrecking ball Mode part 1: basically calls her ungrateful.

Emotional Wrecking ball Mode part 2: questions Persephone's sanity.

Emotional Wrecking ball Mode part 3: undermines the self-worth and achievements of the target.

More than Emotional Wrecking ball mode, it's totally gaslighting.

I have mentioned before how Demeter is showing a good amount of gaslighting. I leave you a link of the signs below and the mentioned publication as well. (ignore the part of Trump)

The comic chapter finishes with this:

Demeter insists on Persephone to put this dress on.

Now, exchanging clothes to the type of wardrope she used to wear seems to be a way to metaphorically show her regression to being just Kore.

I have the feeling this dress might be enchanted, but Demeter has only ever used psychological manipulation so far, so I'm not sure.

So, predictions to the next chapter:

Well, since we have seen Hestia being is dissaproval of this so called intervention:

Then this below might be a hint of what is going to happen:

Hestia notices a moth that is encased and it's also clearly Hades and he's also....

...FURIOUS AS HELL.

Someone else bets Hestia is going to let Hades go and put an end on this intervention went extremely far?

And again, does someone else want this to go like in Turning Red with MeiMei vs her mother?

[smolandweirdwriter]

So many mixed thoughts????

um ok first i have to say i didn’t love the way Persephone didn’t stand up for herself to her mother and needed Hades to save her from the situation. of course it’s highly traumatic and difficult for her, but it feels rather odd that she and hades just left rather than even trying to explain to Demeter how Persephone felt at all? The relationship is only going to get worse if Persie keeps hiding from a confrontation with Demeter!

second thing: i thought it was weird that Hades starts talking about himself rather than Persephone— BUT then i realized how he’s talking about all the ways she’s impacted his life, and I think it’s so beautiful that during all of this turmoil she’s going through, he is there to tell her he loves her, that she makes him feel loved, that she is more than enough just as she is and how she has become! I love how he combats Demeter’s actions with appreciation and love for Persephone rather than just rage.

thirdly, I am so happy he proposed. And I am so happy she said yes. HOWEVER. I think it would have been a lovely touch if she’d been uncertain. or even if the chapter had ended with him proposing (yes yes cliffhanger whatever) and the next had a discussion. Ok basically… I love that they’re taking things slowly, and I want Persephone and Demeter to heal their relationship. Through communication! This webcomic is so good at doing that with Persephades, why can’t it do that with parent-child relationships as well?

all in all, however, I liked this chapter!

a few touches I thought were amazing;

I liked how Persephone is crying when Hades proposes. I know that’s weird, but seriously think about it! She’s so overwhelmed right now. She’s afraid of losing her mother, and in love, and realizing yes, this is the person I want to spend my life with, yes, I can be enough, yes, I do deserve to be queen, yes, I will marry you, Hades.

I liked how Persephone used her one question to ask him why he didn’t have a wife and he used hers to propose! 😍

I love how Hades is drawn in these panels— ditto with Persephone.

and finally

HESTIA WAS AWESOME UGH I MISS SEEING HER AND ATHENA!!! (also ARTEMIS NEEDS TO COME BACK and also kick Apollo’s ass)

[monstrumpuella]

Oh no...

[themeltingmoons]

proposal scene from Episode 231 of Lore Olympus - Eclipse Part 2. As Hades proposes to Persephone, I always wanted to redesign and redraw this scene since it came out but never got around tountil now

I appreciated the vibe of Hades’ moth-inspired design but felt the execution could be enhanced. After researching moths native to Greece, I was drawn to the striking Death’s-head Hawkmoth—famous for its symbolic connection to death and the supernatural, which felt particularly fitting for Hades. This moth’s golden hues beautifully complement his existing palette of red and blue. I mixed the moth form with his Titan form, adding a blue star pattern and opted for a toga instead of nudity, at first I was actually going to leave him naked I don’t mind nudity at all but it always came off awkward for me to draw him in the nude for some reason maybe because we never see him prancing around in the nude idk? For Hades’ headgear, I replaced it with a gold laurel to complement the moth wings, enhancing his regal presence I also don’t know what the original was supposed to be.

For Persephone, I chose a sheer garment because I thought it was elegant and initially adorned her hair with purple flowers. However, I later opted for yellow Adonis flowers to better pair with Hades’ wings and added more symbolic depth reflecting her narrative of life and death.

Finally, regarding Persephone’s engagement ring, What the heck! RS! It should have been a garnet! I mean come on garnets are literally named after pomegranates! Anyway the band is sculpted into serpents and seeds of grain, with the serpent’s eyes set with sapphires and diamonds encircling the central garnet—because, as my grandmother always says, ‘It’s not an engagement ring without some diamonds!’ ;) This design not only adds luxury but also deepens the symbolic connection to their mythological roots.

[m1ssjess]

👏NOW👏THAT👏WAS👏A👏FUCKING👏PROPOSAL👏

Episode 231 of Lore Olympus by Rachel Smyth

[reyturnofbensolo]

💘

[lovelypuppetmax]

Someone brought up a good point on Unpopular Lore Olympus. And the point, about 231 specifically, was: why didn't they just leave when Hades escaped, instead of Proposing to Persephone when she's being torn down and emotionally destroyed? It paints a creepy picture to me. "Ah yes, let me propose to someone who is feeling all sorts of emotions, is in a vulnerable situation, and may look for any reason to get out of the current one. Let me propose to her now!"

I know Rachel did this to try and make the wedding on Valentine's day and all but she could have, ya know, made the proposal on Valentine's day if that was so important.

[story-of-the-infinite]

Lore Olympus 231

If you don't like LO, ignore this post; TW for emotional abuse; you don't have to agree with my perspective on the story

I really like how Demeter's character and her interactions with Persephone have been handled. Her behavior isn't pure evil or abusive, it's not motivated by malice. She loves her daughter, in her way. She's also, even unintentionally, harming her daughter and being too stubborn to admit that she's being emotionally abusive and that her daughter is not an extension of herself.

I get people not personally liking this interpretation of the myth or Demeter, not liking the idea of man love interest > mother, and I understand the want to show that story about a mother who grieves her daughter getting taken away. But that's not this story, and I don't think that it needs to be. But this relationship is nuanced and that's why it's so painful for Persephone and for the reader. It resembles what I felt when I came out (I got the initial reaction and then a fucking intervention sometime later). The conflict isn't a choice between Hades or Demeter, it's between Persephone's mother and herself. Persephone chooses herself, and that doesn't fit with the image that Demeter has of her daughter and herself as a mother. Persephone wants to be a good daughter, but she can't fit Demeter's impossible expectations and - also importantly - she doesn't want to.

When I came out, the question was about whether I "could." Whether I could just be straight, instead. Whether I could just stop being bisexual. They took my wants for granted, they decided that I wanted to be what they wanted me to be. That moment where Demeter tells Persephone that she doesn't have to worry about anything, that she'll get her things from the Underworld, shows how far her projection has gone. She wants to be the hero, and she wants to fit her daughter's defiance of her into something she can understand: weakness. She can understand her daughter being too weak to leave the Underworld on her own, she can understand her daughter as a victim. She cannot understand her daughter as an autonomous person, because then she cannot be an extension of herself. I remember being told I was loved and that they were going to fix it for me, that I just didn't understand and had been brainwashed.

It's hard to even be angry afterwards because you "know" or maybe you just hope that they really do love you, and you could never think of them in a bad light. But then you see something like this, and you're reminded that the things that happened to you weren't right, and you're not alone in feeling that way.

[justmenoworries]

Lore Olympus Episode 231 Spoilers

I feel so fucking sorry for Demeter.

Her own sister stabs her in the back, the guy who already fucked up her life once is taking her daughter away and said daughter just goes with it.

The way the previous episode tried so fucking hard to make Demeter the villain so Hades’, Persephone’s and Hestia’s actions look justified. Hestia has officially lost me, she’d really rather her niece be married to the guy who groomed her.

Also, can we talk about the fact that it’s kind of fucked up of Hades to spring marriage on Persephone in an emotionally vulnerable and raw moment, when she told him literally only a few days ago that she wants to take it slow????

No?

Okay, let’s just make this another of the bajillion times Hades acts like a complete creep, but the comic chooses to not address it.

Persephone continues to be a spineless brat, completely reliant on others to box her out of tough situations. This woman really thinks she can be queen of a whole-ass realm when she can’t even stand up against her own mom. Lmao, good luck with that Persie, not everyone’s too scared of your big bad boyfriend to rock your shit.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Eris is here too I guess. What exactly was her point in the story again? Legit nothing she’s done so far really had an impact.

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