#look at me im a ding dong and i care a lot about timelines
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i get mean when im nervous (like a bad dog)
Miles looks into his own eyes and he looks back, a twisted joke.
There should be something tripping off his tongue. Questions, accusations, pleas for help, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that there is the empty, gaping maw of silence when there should be something filling it.
It feels like there should be some sort of shift, of the cosmic variety. Or maybe cellular, or spiritual or moral. After all, he is looking at what he could’ve been if things had gone slightly differently.
It feels like he should be scared of what he has the potential to become.
He isn’t.
There’s a cold, tired child looking at him and he looks back, cold and tired himself.
His uncle, who he loved. His uncle, who he grieved. His uncle, who thought he was the best of all of them, watches.
There is sand trickling down his shoulder from the hole his uncle blasted through the punching bag, just a few inches from his head. He’s sure that the little granules are getting caught in claw marks on his shoulder, sticky and wet with blood.
The room is holding its breath.
“My dad is dying,” he says. “I need to get home and save him.”
“Why should I care?” the boy responds in an accent so different from his own, in a voice just like his.
Inhale.
There's really no answer to that. It’s stunningly obvious why he should care. It’s stunningly obvious why he doesn’t. The mural on the wall looks like it’s been there a while, about as long as the exhaustion in his mothers gaze.
The thing with grief is that it doesn’t end.
The thing with grief is that it's freezing as it makes its home inside of you, the winter chill sits heavy in your marrow and you become desperate for some sort of warmth.
Miles found it in his parents, in the wind on his face, the gratitude of the people he helped, the memories of those he loved who left him.
He wonders what this other version of himself found it in. He wonders if he’s found it at all.
Exhale.
Try another angle.
“There are people after me. Trust me, you don’t want them digging around in your dimension.”
“If they’re anything like you I think I can take them.”
“Can you take them and still hide what you’re doing from your mother?”
The quiet has a physical shape, Miles can almost see it- the way it coils and bares its teeth in an approximation of a smile, canines glinting.
“I’m sure they’ll leave us alone when I give them your body.”
A cold, cruel metal fist taps the bag, brushing against his cheek.
Inhale.
In another timeline he’s a murderer. In another universe he has blood on his hands and doesn’t seem bothered by the idea of adding more.
The clock is ticking, ding dong his dad is almost dead. He doesn’t have time for this.
His finger taps on the metal of the chains holding him, a spark of lightning arching off his skin.
The body requires electricity to continue on- if Miles leans in close enough to someone he can almost taste the way their heart beats and the synapses of their brain fire in little bright bursts.
It would be alarmingly easy for him to take it all away.
It is alarmingly easy to harness his own.
He can pull in enough that it would kill anyone else and continue to walk. He can feel the storm lingering under his skin and he can command his heart to beat anyways.
Exhale.
He meets his own eyes, a warped reflection stares back.
He wonders what would’ve happened if the boy in front of him was the one bitten, if the electricity snapping in his veins like a pack of dogs would’ve been quietly muzzled and contained like his was, if his dad would still be alive in this dimension, safe.
He decides it doesn’t matter.
It is him with lightning in his blood and under his nails. It is him with venom in his mouth. It is him with the quickly healing wounds. It is him with the desperate sort of recklessness blooming under his tongue.
He is going to win.
The other Miles just doesn’t know it yet.
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He called himself a hero. Called is the key word here.
A lot of people call themselves heroes. He’s met many of them. He’s been chased by many of them. He’s been told to let his father die by many of them.
He thinks Hobie was right. To become a hero is to shed your human skin and take on a different shape, blood and bone and bruises- it leaves you achingly small and too big at the same time. You set your bones in your bedroom and you stand above the fallen and you are all violence and myth and hope given form.
To be a hero is to be good. You sacrifice so much in the name of saving that you begin to equate the two. When they become synonyms you begin to expect others to do the same, to shoulder the grief amongst the other burdens.
Here are the lives you could not save and here are the lives you must and here are the lives that will die for the greater good.
Miles looked up into Miguel’s eyes and knew for a fact that he thought he was the hero in this story.
‘Learn from my mistakes,’ he said. ‘Some things are just meant to happen to us spiders.’
And then, of course, ‘You are not spider-man, you were never meant to be bitten. You are an anomaly to be eradicated or you will destroy everything.’
There is a flaw in that logic that Miguel is too broken to think about.
Miles could see it in the shadows under his eyes, the stiffness of his shoulders, the too steady way he spoke of the destruction of the dimension he stole. Miguel is a shattered man with the power of hundreds behind him, desperate to never lose again.
‘With great power comes great responsibility’ is one side of the coin. ‘Absolute power corrupts absolutely’ is the other.
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The Prowler is an excellent fighter, trained in ways that Miles is not. He dodges and kicks and punches Miles nearly into the ground.
He will lose regardless.
Miles twists around a blow, back bending in a way that is near inhuman as he gathers himself. Low to the ground he is a live wire, just waiting for the brush of skin on skin. He isn’t the type of creature someone can touch without dying, sweating poison his blood bubbles and the whites of his eyes are just a bit too bright.
There it is, a hand around his neck, squeezing the air from his lungs.
He goes limp.
There's hesitation there in the Prowlers’ eyes as Miles submits to the end with ease. He can feel it in the twitch of his fingers, in the way his grasp flexes like he’s debating easing up.
But Miles doesn’t need mercy. He raises a hand, slowly, settling it on the Prowlers’ cheek and smiling with all his teeth.
It is easy. Miles has the sun in his veins and smoking fingertips as he sends pure electricity pouring into the Prowlers’ skull with only a thought.
In another universe, he has killed people. There’s something to say there about potential energy becoming kinetic- something to say about desperation and the way it will rewire the neurons of your brain.
He won’t kill, but as he watches the Prowler seize below him he knows the physics of it, innate in a way that he shies away from.
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do we know the date of logan’s birthday and if yes where has it been mentioned? also i hope we will get a date for kendall’s birthday but if not, when do you think it is (roughly)?
The only way (I think) I know Logan's birthday is because I googled it and got 14th of October 1938. I just assumed it was mentioned at some point and I forgot or it was sneakily written somewhere and someone paused it to see. I tried to quick watch some episodes like 1.01, 1.02, 1.03 and 2.08 to find it, but I couldn't... So I decided to check if other people had more to say about it because the source is that Succession wiki – and you know how that can be a complete mess – so it's not very reliable even though I don't know why someone would just make up a date like that, which I still don't disregard completely. Anyway, what I found out complicates the timeline even more.
There is speculation done here that in S01E03 there is a screen (when the stocks or whatever are going down) that show the date as not even 2018, but Oct 23rd 2017 😶
Along with the fact that Logan's birthday was a work day, the 14th date sounds, even if only maaaybe plausible (it would be a Saturday), a little too early (if I can read this correctly, it's a 3 day range, I don't know if the reaction would actually come in this late. Someone mentions the urgency to announce that night before the market opens the next day: that in 2017 would be a Sunday, and in 2018 would be a Monday, but with the 14th on a Sunday in which Kendall is conducting business as usual. In any case, the 23rd is more than a whole week after).
All my craziness aside, my main concern with this is the year, though. Because Shiv is at the near end of a poticial campaign and that stuff happens on even years doesn't it?? What's even weirder is another comment that points out that a tabloid in 2.07 says Logan is 81, when, if we consider the most likely timeline, not even a year is passed and we're currently around July or early August of 2019, if it indeed began on late 2018.
I'm willing to bet that, from a in-universe perspective it's just typical tabloids getting ages wrong and the doylist explanation being that the timeline is not being completely watched over, as it's common on tv shows. Especially considering how no one involved, including Jesse Armstrong, tried to begin the answer of the Covid question with "we're not even in 2020 yet" (or, I don't know, they wanted to keep it simple).
About your other question, though, I don't know how much time will pass from now until Kendall's birthday some episodes ahead... Are we actually in 2020 and will we see the aftermath of the elections so soon? (That would actually make me go crazy to try and gauge where exactly we lost so many months) Italy looks pretty hot on the screen, is it even like that year round? (no idea). So far, it doesn't seem and it doesn't feel like Succession does many – and large – time jumps, so how much time can we cover in 2 episodes? Unless it was glossed over in earlier seasons (at least we have the certainty that it all starts in October), his birthday might be more securely placed before Logan's so it seems to be somewhere between August and very early October.
I'm still determined to do a rewatch where I take screenshots of every possible date alusion to correct, if needed, but most likely just find more inconsistencies. I'm still set on things happening Oct 2018 - July 2019 so far.
#look at me im a ding dong and i care a lot about timelines#succession#logan roy#kendall roy#messages#anon the podcast answer is still coming
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history of homestuck (not mine)
John lives in a house in a suburb filled with houses by a lake and its *beautiful!!* In the year negative a billion– John might not have been here. In the year negative 40000 he still wasnt here, but his ancestors were. So was betty crocker. But she sucks. Then time passed and time shit happened and now theres lots of ~kids~ Because it’s normal. Ding dong, it’s gamebro magazine and they have important news. Like really shitty reviews. And a game called ~sburb~ Now everyone has heard about sburb. That means if you own sburb then you can play the game, which is what everyone needs to *survive.* So that makes you important. Sburb hosts and server players spread all across the land and all the way to here. [points to america] The most important players were here, here, here, and here. But this one was the most most important started by John, or the heir of breath. Then the world started being destroyed by meteors. John made some changes, like getting into the game, and making the others more like his game, which was a game that got people into the game. “Hey random person!” Said john. “HEY DIPSHIT.” said a troll. “Can you call me something other than dipshit?” said John. “LIKE WHAT?” said the troll. “How about John Egbert?” Said john. And they got trolled by some trolls and wrote a guide. About themselves. And then they made a bunch of items and some more game dvds. Then they stopped changing povs every time a character did something and stayed with one person for a while, with Rose. And they got Dave in finally, lets get that squared away. A weird hipster named Vriska is bored of the slow playing and talks to John who begins to trust her which causes ~shipping~ Leaves and comes back causing John to be ~great~ for a while. And the game became a little easier so John didn’t give a shit about the chance of dying So if you do care about your fragile morality how are you supposed to protect your ass from Imps? ~Ascend to God Tier~ Everyone started focusing on going god tier. -People who got to quest bed went god tier. People who did not get to quest bed did not go god tier. God tiers became powerful and everyone wanted to become god tier. But the game didn’t care and killed them anyways. They let the kids go god tier but the game was actually still in control. Breaking news, Jack Noir has invaded the troll session. “I have invaded the troll session.” Said jack noir. “Please respect me or else I might kill you as well.” “Okay.” say the beta kids. [pulling out their weapons.] The trolls tried to run away and got killed by jack noir. But the kids were upset and got ready for battle and had a nice time fighting but then died to jack noir. Then the game kills John, but john comes back to life and wanders around skaia and meets WV. And John can stay alive a little longer, if he wants that’s fine. ~Now theres more trolls~ Like humans but grey and with horns, symbols, coolorful blood, quirks, ocs, and buckets. It’s time for who’s going to be the next leader. Sollux wanted it to be terezi, but terezi didn’t want to lead. So he tries to get someone else to be the leader of the red team, but no one wants to. So who’s it gonna be? Vote now on your husktops. And everyone voted so hard Karkat got angry and started yelling. Sollux actually didn’t care, he didnt want to play anymore anyways. And the entire game broke into pieces. Karkat became leader and the game was ok for a short period. Knock knock. It’s Vriska. No, she doesnt want to take over, she just wants to be a hero. By creating Jack noir. And killing Tavros. So that’s great. But everyone is still fighting each other. Now with Gamzee! Wouldn’t it be nice to be safe for once, with no one out to kill you? This troll (Eridan) Kills Feferi and Kanaya, but is then chainsawed in half by a vampire who came back to life. Surprise surprise, Gamzee’s on a murderous rampage. On that rampage, one troll named Equius gets killed and Nepeta is upset. Who also gets killed. Vriska is just about to go fight jack noir but he kills everyone else, so Terezi uses her seer powers to kill her and keep this from happening. And then she felt really really bad. “We are going to breed frogs and hopefully win the game” said Dave who tried but jack noir came and he died. But before he died his past self became his sprite and was now hanging out with his bro until jack noir came again. And jack noir was like “yeah right, it’s not gonna be a happy ending, you’re gonna die. Cuz I’m angry.” And so he killed Bro and almost Davesprite, who had his wing cut off and somehow bleeds despite being a sprite. A lot of people hate Jack, but Jade was just kinda ok with him. Someone comes and kills jade, and jack gets mad. Jack kills him, but jade is still dead. ~Cascade~ And Jack takes Jade to the quest bed to go dog tier and save everyone’s life. But don’t get confused, Dave and Rose set off the tumor. And they died on their quest bed and ascended in the green sun with Aradia and Sollux who were also there. PM got a ring and looked just like jack. Except for the whole black and white thing, but they were equal in every other way. Now that everyone’s going somewhere we change povs to the alpha kids. There was Jane, Roxy, Jake, and Dirk who were the “ancestors” of the beta kids. Except there was betty crocker, carapaces, sburb alpha, gcat, and looming death. They tried to play the game and failed miserably so Dirk had to save their asses. We’re talking time shenanigans on rocketboards while freestyling and jumping through portals to all meet up, maybe even sea hitler. Over time they met Caliborn and Calliope and met with the others and– Knock knock. It’s the Trickster Arc. With drugs. And candy. Drug candy. “Come, play with us. Stop, running away.” said the Tricksters. There was really nothing they could do so they got high on candy and got to their quest beds but then had a hangover and died in a fire. They ascended and got thrown in jail by jade and jane. “That sucks!” They said. “This sucks!!” And with help from John’s retcon powers they got out. And somehow Jake had an imaginary dirk and had a hope temper tantrum, which jade couldn’t do anything about. Then she got crushed by a falling tower. And everyone else finally caught up, and was like “oh no.” And then the becs caught up and everyone was like “Oh no.” And you know what else was bad? That’s right, Fish hitler. So what did she do? Join the party. The becs start to take jade from under the tower and start to fly away. And Dave rushes in out of nowhere and says “stop no you cant do that we were gonna heal her with Jane’s lifey powers to save her” and they fly away anyways with Dave in pursuit. Then, Terezi finds Gamzee and they talk about their feelings. Did I say talk? I meant kick each others asses. And Jake says “Can you maybe chill?” And Gamzee says “How bout maybe YOU chill?” John kinda hates Caliborn. You’ll never guess who kinda hates John. Caliborn! So John and Caliborn start fighting because they really hate each other. Feeling really confident, John beats the shit out of caliborn and then gets zapped away with retcon powers. ~It’s time for s game over~ Everyone’s about to die. Because Aranea decided to do something different and everyone’s freaking out and Fish Hitler is about to fucking kill everybody. Meanwhile, Gamzee is still kicking Terezi’s ass and Karkat is *ANGRY.* and the next thing he does is get stabbed in the gut by Gamzee and enrages Kanaya. Kanaya slices Gamzee in half, who still has this fucking codpiece, because he killed Karkat who was friends with Kanaya and Karkat wanted to save Terezi who was getting beat up by Gamzee because of a terrible Kismesis. Err, actually, it probably wasn’t a kismesis at all. And Kanaya had a chainsaw. So you know what that means, duhh. ~Meanwhile with Aranea~ Aranea tries to stab Jane, which she wanted to do anyways. So she sort of manipul8ed a sword her way, but then Jake blocked it! And then the sword stabbed Jane too because swords are long. Now Dave and the Becs are at Jade’s questbed and congratulations, becs, you dropped her there and are now going to fight Dave 2 on 1 with totally unfair odds all for something really stupid that really shouldn’t have happened. And yes, Dave ends up dying to both of them at once. And also Sea Hitler kills Kanaya with a laser of death which makes rose ~super pissed~ And she starts charging at condy who kills her with a trident. That was bad but Roxy saved her from complete obliteration with voidy powers so that’s ok I guess. Planets are thrown around and Condy chokes Aranea who is like “noo don’t do that its mean and i have the ring of life which means im not supposed to be able to die…” And Condy said ~“how bout I do, anyway?”~ And Condy flipped the ring off her finger, and everyone’s pretty much dead now. You’ve got mail! Its from Terezi, who somehow isnt dead. She wants John to fix everything and keep everyone from dying. This was also forwarded to Roxy. They all decided to because they were alive. ~It’s time for S collide~ Vriska is alive in the new timeline who talked to some kids, then some more kids, then some more more kids on how to fight and terezi has a mental br8kdown and sees other timelines and is like “holy shiiit” and she sees another vriska and terezi together because they are ~good friends~ and then the omegapause happened and everyone started crying because “homestuck isnt updating so i dont know what to do. Plus there’s undertale and thats pretty cool.” Suddenly there’s upd8s again and everyone starts fighting but with a little less death. Less death than any other big flash, ever. Somehow. But they still get their asses kicked, things look bad for them, but suddenly heir of grief and serenity happened and they started kicking ass. But then Dirk gets Dirkapitated in the fight by Dave and they use timey powers to get out alive. Jack’s head explodes. And then Roxy kills Condy and everyone’s really happy. And PM punches Jade in the face because she was upset. And she cuts off jacks arm after a literal eternity of being threatened. And she punches him in the face too. (you win) After all this shit Jade finally makes the universe frog with just enough ingredients for a ~whole new universe~ and everyone is happy and free in the new universe. And also not dead. They make can town and repopulate earth. But then again Vriska is still gone and no one knows where she is for some reason. ~~bye~~
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