#loeb can be gay and not attracted to leopold

[dickloeb]

Do u think loeb loved leopold, what do u think his sexuality was? I personally think he was queer, he was never sexually attracted to a woman, never fell in love with one. He refused to talk about his sexuality and lied a lot when talking about it. He was the type to date people and quickly drop them, but he didn’t with leopold, even after prison they remind close. I honestly don’t know why people view him as straight, they say he dated women, but many closeted men date many women, but they are gay. I remember in his psychiatric evaluation, it said something like he always desired to be with people and he like cared a lot about what people thought of him, so probably when they started say that he slept with a man and that he wouldn’t be allowed to the frat house because of these rumours, he probably got scared, and just loeb was never that emotionally confident as leopold.

The thing with Loeb, especially with his sexuality, is that we don’t know much. What we do know is that he wasn’t very forthcoming with information about sex to the psychiatrists, and that in 1924 he said that he didn’t really care for sex all that much and could go without it. He also said the actual relationship is where he gets enjoyment. Loeb died young and his personal life in prison is practically a mystery so we don’t have much to go on when it comes to true facts. We can only speculate for now.

I think he could have been queer. He could have been straight. He could also have just had a low sex drive or his sex drive just hadn’t kicked in yet. To be fair, he didn’t really seem to have much of a reason to enjoy sex when very early on he got an STD, and with Hamlin walking in on him and Leopold in bed and the rumors that spread from that. Things like that could have deterred him from caring for sex. It also seemed like he was dealing with some depressive episodes and burnout from school, which are things that can be attributed to a low sex drive. He could have just been experimenting with Leopold. In fact, it was noted that once the curiosity off sex with Leopold wore off Loeb become basically annoyed with the act. I think there’s a high probability that he was queer and just not attracted to Leopold lol.

He did seem to enjoy being with the girls he dated/was currently seeing at the time. Which could be him mistaking friendship for attraction, but could also be that he genuinely liked them. We just don’t know and likely never will. But hell with freeze over before I say that Loeb was straight.

[dickloeb]

Quizás no es una pregunta muy adecuada y puede resultar raro pero leí que Loeb quizás estaba en el espectro asexual, otros decían que era bisexual o incluso gay. Como crees que él veía las relaciones sexuales? Porque por lo que se no mostraba mucho interés

Hello! I’m so sorry but I don’t speak spanish so my answer will have to be in english. Also, I translated your ask through google so I’m sorry if it misinterpreted something.

In general you’re asking about what I think Richard’s sexuality was. This is a hard question because as of right now there’s no 100% right answer to it. It’s all just speculation. It’s especially hard for Richard because all we really know of his sexuality comes from the psych report which isn’t the greatest source considering he could have been lying or omitting information, and there’s so little to go off of in it. The psych report gives us the information that Richard didn’t care for the actual sex act but enjoyed other parts of a relationship. It also tells us that in the beginning he was curious about sex with Nathan but soon grew a distaste for it. However it should be noted that those two had a sexual relationship for a while before the compact came into play.

You listed him potentially being bisexual, on the asexual spectrum or gay. If we are just going off the psych report I can see the asexual argument since the quotes from him and the information given sounds close to being on the asexual spectrum, but it’s so hard to say. I’m inclined to not believe it. I think there’s a good list of reasons for why Richard, a teenager, could find sex to not be enjoyable. He could have just had a lower sex drive than other boys, alcohol can be a problem and he drank a lot (which he admitted it slowed him down), i’m willing to bet that the situation with Hamlin didn’t help his confidence with sex, getting an STD after his first time having sex and being treated for months, and just all of his self esteem issues he was having. His young age seems to be forgotten a lot in discourse over this and I think all of those things combined could have affected his sex drive more than we might think.

As far as bisexuality goes, we know that he went out with girls a lot but we don’t have (to my knowledge) anything from him saying that he felt obligated to do it. The only negative thing I can think of that he said about girls is that he would lie to his friends about having sex with them. Girls were present in almost all of his fantasies but I wouldn’t necessarily correlate that to sexuality. And for him being gay I can see the argument more, but there’s still so little to go off of. The only man we know that he had any kind of sexual relationship with was Nathan, and even though he apparently didn’t enjoy it that doesn’t mean he’s not gay. He very well could have been gay and just not attracted to Nathan lol.

I think Richard’s sexuality is a big debate point in the case of Leopold and Loeb. I’m not so quick to file him away as straight like many other people do because I don’t necessarily agree with that. I really hate that theory people throw around that he manipulated Nathan with sex or that he “didn’t have a sexuality.” I don’t even know if Richard knew what his sexuality was in 1924. There’s people like Nathan who basically know what their sexuality is right at birth, there’s some who discover it at a more slower pace, and then there’s people who never fully discover it or understand it. Richard could very well fall under that category.