#literally all I did was saying italy IS a racist country lmao

[mchiti]

the funny thing is that I literally have a undergrad degree in classical philology but I'm sure anon knows it better idk

[dogsuffrage]

majority of sports fans are dicks not just the english but ok i guess. you obviously didnt actually watch the games or you would've seen all the racist abuse shouted at some of englands players in the qualifying games. and you didnt see some of the dirty tactics used by italy tonight. this is the most diverse, woke team england has ever had yet all of tumblr is hating lmao i dont get it. sorry for blowing up your ask im just ranting lol

I'm literally just goofing off. I literally did not watch the game. It is fun to dunk on the country of England. Also I gotta say kinda weird to refer to a diverse group of people as "woke." Just fyi you might want to not do that. Comes off bad. And yes I know all sports teams have shitty fans I'm literally just having a laugh. It's a game, the point is to have fun with it.

[janiedean]

Why do you think the SW fandom is so knee-deep in SJ Calvinism? Because I understand wanting representation or being upset because a movie didn’t fulfill your expectations, but the “if you don’t ship X you’re racist” “if you don’t stan Y you’re bigoted” and the harassment over a disappointing movie is surprising just because of how pervasive it is. I was trying to find some St*rmpilot blogs to follow and the amount of hate is Yikes, especially the hate for Rose and the stans of a Certain Ship

eeeeeeh I think it’s because ep. 7 came out at the height of the... well, reaping the seeds the social justice calvinism had sown since 2014 so to speak? I mean, SW is hardly the one fandom where it happened (*cough* voltron and SU *cough*) but as SW is way broader in audience than those other shows that certainly didn’t help, but like, if you think on it, since 2013-ish (but I think before as well, I mean, I’ve been here since 2011 and already when I got here I felt like something was going very wrong when it came to politics-in-fandom-attitude), basically people on tumblr have progressively, when it came to fandoms:

pushed the idea that you have to over-analyze everything you consume through political lens;

pushed the idea that what you like and how you like it also has to be pushed through political lens and what you like says things about who you are as a person or your political leanings;

pushed the idea that if you care for something *problematic* just because you like it you’re excusing it;

pushed the idea that if you were problematic once you can’t ever not be problematic, you can’t change your mind and you can’t learn also because ‘it’s not my job to educate you’ so people either learn themselves or idek what but again, calvinism.

now obviously those politics are tumblr-politics which are also US centric like woah and are also high-school petty like woah, and since more or less then people have:

continuously other-ed lgbt people from *straight*/heterosexual people pushing a narrative where straight = bad and therefore putting it before anything automatically makes it a valid insult which added to the above means that if you ship het you’re already problematic regardless of whether you’re straight or not (and if you are.. lol);

pushed the performative feminism of Doom TM that says men and women should be equal but is like, an excuse to shit on men and on women who like men (see the rampant biphobia around and the whole ‘straight girls are so stupid if they’re into men they should try women’ discourse);

pushed the US terminology when it comes to the POC discourse, in the sense that everything works on the US-centered context where white people = white anglosaxon protestant, poc = everything else without realizing that in the rest of the world white does not equal wasp, that poc = black people only in most of europe (and no one who’s actually black or not white who lives in africa or asia and so on would describe themselves as poc because why the hell would you when your skin color/ethinicity is the norm where you live?), which also goes with the whole white passing debate which where I live would not exist but in that context is a mess because again, oscar i*saac is schroedinger’s poc (as in, he’s poc automatically for american standards because he’s latin-american but like he has the same skin tone as my mother and my mother in italy is white same as 90% of us, which means endless confusion) and assumed that all of us have to accept that terminology/context regardless of whether it’s valid in our countries;

kept on progressively putting minorities against each other in an endless loop of WHO HAS IT WORST/oppression olympics;

kept on progressively split hairs on issues that aren’t exactly, like, that important if there’s more urgent stuff to deal with because 90% of the activism here is performative;

made the 180° turn for which headcanons and shit are seen as, like, doing representation instead of, you know, supporting what rep is there never mind when people decide *one* ship is the right one and if another is canonized and it’s rep it gets thoroughly ignored;

pushed on a mindset for which if something isn’t perfect at the get-go then it’s canceled.

and so on.

like, all of that shit has been continuously not criticized because criticizing it especially if you don’t belong to a minority means that you’re out of line/discussing things that don’t concern you, but if you’re a minority and you criticize it then it’s suddenly YOU BETRAYED OUR CAUSE *INSERT SLUR HERE ABOUT PANDERING TO THE MAJORITY*, and the result exploded in toxic af fandoms, but like... if you look at the issues of the SW sequel trilogy fandom it’s all of that in a nutshell because:

k/ylo ren is automatically the worst because he’s white (horrible), a man (even worse), not canonically attractive (I didn’t touch on that topic bc I’m honestly not up for it mentally but lmao that counts too) and presumably heterosexual (or well, no one said he’s not but you know, since he’s a white dude on the bad side [supposedly] then we don’t give him the benefit of the doubt that he might be bi), so if you like ky/lo ren or relate to him you’re automatically problematic;

shipping re/ylo because automatically problematic because it’s a *straight* (evil) ship made of two white people (when there’s options to ship them both with people that aren’t white, so IT’S RACIST), they have an age gap (BAD BECAUSE POWER IMBALANCE) and it’s enemies to lovers, so it’s a context where people who don’t conceive redemption or that people can become better are basically crying problematic all the time, and the fact that people decided it’s *abusive* when it has like nothing that can equate it to a really abusive relationship says all;

ky/lux being the most popular slash ship immediately means that it’s the fault of the horrible straight (white) women fetishizing the (white) men on the dark side (when it’s most likely because for a while ky/lux was literally the only side of that fandom where people were chill/there wasn’t wank every other moment);

st/ormpilot has been declared The Right Ship because it’s two non-white men and it’s not straight which automatically turns into what I said before about hating other ships that would be rep anyway and feeds into the lowkey oppression olympics racism, because like if finn/rose becomes canon it’s still a mixed/biracial ship because he’s black and she’s asian....... except that it’s not the right ship for people who decided that finn has to be either with rey or poe (and guess what rey is white and poe is... schroedinger’s poc because oscar isaac in europe wouldn’t pass for *poc*), which to me has stank of lowkey racism since tlj came out because sorry but if ‘finn deserves better than rose�� or ‘finn should be with rey because if he doesn’t get rey then it’s unfair’ and the various other bullshit I read on the topic basically says that the white woman is *worthier* than the asian woman or that rose is a downgrade from rey which is fucking bullshit, rose isn’t even a bad character all the contrary. and that’s for the het side of it, but like then it’s not as good as stormpilot because it’s a straight ship (NOOOO THEY MADE FINN STRAIGHT/THEY’RE NOT MAKING THEM GAY THIS IS SUCH BULLSHIT = stuff I legit saw on the tag) and ngl I’m 100% sure that the fact that daisy is Standard Attractive and kelly marie t/ran is lovely but doesn't conform to the usual beauty standard western-viewers apply on asian women did play a role in there, but: what did I say before? the slash ship is automatically better than the het ship never mind that they’re both biracial and rose is actually a rep (asian girls who don’t adhere to stereotypical body shapes - and like, the rep for all body types and shapes should be valid for all women, not just white) that isn’t exactly popular especially in mainstream cinema, so people should be happy.... but since rose is Not A Dude and Not Rey and Not The Right Kind Of Representation For That Crowd, automatically rose is a shit character and deserves to be viciously hated on. and this is a thing done by people who most likely then turn on the other side and talk shit about horrible straight women who hate the only female character for getting in the way of their slash ship without realizing that their rose hate is exactly that. and of course since sto/rmpilot is the two good guys, if you ship that then you also have to hate re/ylo because how can you, a person who ships The Good Ship On The Light Side, support such a problematic enemies to lovers thing? yeah, right, hahaha.

this also tbqh also pairs up with how on tumblr people only recognize mental health issues/abuse victims when the narrative suits them - like, being a bad victim automatically means you lose sympathy and mental health issues are only valid if you aren’t ***privileged*** otherwise why would you have them, which shows transparently in how a lot of people absolutely deny that ky/lo ren is a) an abuse victim, b) obviously mentally ill however it is that he deals with it, but no, he has to be The Most Horrible In Existence Because Otherwise We Should Have Empathy For A Bad Guy Who Also Might Get Redeemed And Redemption Is Not Happening Ever Because Bad People Don’t Deserve it.

like, all of the issues sw sequel trilogy has when it comes to the fandom are direct consequences of the nonsensical social justice calvinism climate on tumblr dot com that no one took care to put a stop to since 2013 and of its ridiculous oppression olympics and pitting people against each other and that was my take. cheers.

(ps: I also ship sto/rmpilot like woah and it’s my otp but there’s a reason why I unfollowed most SP blogs I followed and why I don’t go into the tag anymore - I’m not here for the anti-rose racism dressed up as performative wokeness, I’m not here to get lectured about as a white person I fetishize poc gay men if I ship it - yes I read that too - and I’m not here to read a bunch of meta about how re/ylo is a bad ship and blah blah blah, so yeah. I feel you.) (pps: ky/lo ren isn’t even my favorite character and I care relatively but gdi the way the fandom approaches him is honestly mindboggling in that sense, and I don’t mean people who actually dislike him because fair reasons, I mean people who can’t recognize his abuse victim status and the precarious status of his mental health. like, not all abuse victims and mentally ill people are the right victim or come from the right background and you can be cool motive still murder and still recognize that he’s like that because he has issues, not because he was drawn that way. /bye)

[gringoslur]

hey... about argentinians being apparently mostly white... i've read that about 90% of argentinians are originally solely of european descent, which would mean 90% are white people. that does seem like a lot to me, but could you explain to me why you wouldn't agree with this? are the books missing sth important concerning this??

Hi! A friend helped me with this answer, because i’m usually here to rant but i don’t know how to share stuff like this in english, lmao (thanks again btw!!)

“Spain and Italy are not the only place from which Argentina has received immigration waves from throughout our history, besides our native peoples still exists. Non white Argentineans, whether with native, Asian, Jewish, Romani, Middle Eastern, African, etc background do exist. Like, Argentinean also have background from Syria, Lebanon, Senegal, China, South Corea and countless other countries in which their populations and racial backgrounds are not white so… just because the central provinces, and generally those with the most power are seemingly predominantly white doesn’t mean all Argentineans are white. In fact, if you’re also using Argentinean media, movies, shows as basis for your analysis.. uhm how do I say this, we have the very same problem other Latin American countries have which is giving more focus and preferential treatment to whiteness or what can be perceived as white so…

Besides, through many different government administrations at the end of the xix century people were forced to/made deny their non white heritage, so many Argentineans that have, for example, Afro-Argentinean great grandparents or grandparents don’t know it because the families denied it or they were labelled as criollo to avoid recognising there was a non white European background in the family. And this answers to many presidencies but mostly Sarmiento who tried to cleanse, both literally and figuratively, non white backgrounds from Argentina because he praised European countries like France, even when (it is said) that he had Afro-Argentinean background himself. So yeah, are there white Argentineans? yes, are all Argentineans white? NO.”

I also found very interesting articles about this:

However, the myth of the invisible Afroargentines is deep-rooted, as airport officials confirmed when they told Ms Lamadrid in 2002: “This can’t be your passport. There are no blacks in Argentina.” This attitude echoes prejudices that allegedly died out in the late 1800s, but have seemingly survived past the millennium. A court case on the issue produced no ruling (…)

History books used today in schools still perpetuate the myth that there are no Afroargentines, suggesting instead that they were all wiped out in the 1870s during the war in Paraguay and the yellow fever epidemic. True, many African male descendants were killed in the war but women and children survived. Similarly, yellow fever killed some, but not all. 

Sadly, masking identities seems to be a rule rather than an exception, which becomes easier as mixed marriages fuse skin tones. “If you are looking for traditional African people with very black skin, you won’t find it, Ms Gomez explained. “African people in Argentina are of mixed heritage.”

“People for years have accepted the idea that there are no black people in Argentina,“ Miriam Gomes, a professor of literature at the University of Buenos Aires, who is part black herself, told the Post.“Even the schoolbooks here accepted this as a fact. But where did that leave me?” She also explained that almost no one in Argentina with black blood in their veins will admit to it. “Without a doubt, racial prejudice is great in this society, and people want to believe that they are white,” she said. “Here, if someone has one drop of white blood, they call themselves white.”

“There is a silence about the participation of Afro-Argentines in the history and building of Argentina, a silence about the enslavement and poverty,” said Paula Brufman, an Argentine law student and researcher, according to Planete Afrique.“The denial and disdain for the Afro community shows the racism of an elite that sees Africans as undeveloped and uncivilized.”

Then there are recent African immigrants, who move directly from the continent of Africa to Argentina with a large population coming from Senegal. This difference matters, not only to the people whose history it reflects, but also is necessary if a productive discussion on race in Argentina is going to take place. One that goes beyond saying “Argentina doesn’t have Black people”. Because it most certainly does.

I’m white. My skin is white, but i only know my italian heritage: my lastname + one great grandfather + my father is not white. My family speaked guarani (a native language) but sadly, we don’t know where it came from and it dissapeared. That’s how blurred most of our heritage is. I’m white, so if say something wrong, please correct me.

So, this thing about “all argentines are white”…it’s kind of frustrating. I live in Argentina.I see how non-white people are treated. I see the racism (ofc, is not the same racism that you may see in USA, latine rascism is different. And i probably don’t see ALL of it) I was born in a racist society, i made racist comments when i was a child (you know, “i’m joking!! lol!!!”) but i’m trying to learn. I’m educating myself, i’m correcting friends and family, i’m seeing how racism affects people and now, when i see people (mostly latines) saying that “99%″ (or sometimes “all”) of people in Argentina is white, it makes me so mad. Yesterday i was in a bus that was FULL and i noticed (i have like a 2 hours trip) how i was one of the 5 white people there (most of them were brown skinned people + asian people). I looked outside, i saw a group of like ten black people (probably africans, considerating the place, first-gen) talking and laughing, after awhile i hear accents from Paraguay and Bolivia (i also heard people talking asian, africar and native languages in the bus a lot) people with their childs. I looked outside again. I see something written in a wall: “Argentina para argentinos todos” (Argentina for argentines everyone). Maybe they’re inmigrants, we have a lot of them. And they had family here. Their childs? are Argentinian. Were they white? No. They probably suffer racism everyday.

I know that my country has a big problem of racism. I know that a lot of people here considerate themselves “europeans” (even if in europe we are “sudacas”, lmao). I know that we use racist words as insults. Even if i don’t suffer from it, now i can see it. 

And maybe you’re latine and you had problems with a racist argentine. And maybe you’re mad about it. Be mad, tell them to fuck off, it’s your right. But don’t ignore the people here that also belong to your community, don’t tell them that they don’t exist. Seeing a nonwhite argentines fighting to be recognized by other latines it’s really sad, like it’s sad to see them being denied by our society. Don’t do that, you are not helping, you’re just feeding the racist argentines that say that we are all white people/europeans, you’re just saying that they’re right while they abuse the non-white people here, even if they probably don’t know where they came from.

Next time, tell them that they’re probably have african/native blood too. That’s their worst dream.