#like..... i enjoy mobius as a character i just wouldn't say a few good words make him good

[worstloki]

A few, yes.

Mobius is being kind, yes, but, more importantly, he's being tactful because he wants to gain something in each scenario* from seeing what information he can get from the kid at the church to wanting to manipulate Loki into working on the case to still having something to gain on his case by keeping Loki around or getting C-20 safe bc she knew relevant info to needing Loki to help bring the TVA down.

While he's said these things which are decent, he has also spoken/acted less morally well, and on more occasions (I won't put all the instances in or we would be here for a long while).

Which is completely understandable.

He's doing his job, and that requires being apathetic towards pruning off timeline branches, it requires dealing with dangerous Loki variants, and it requires being a grade-A jerk who has no issues with using the information he has to psychologically mess with anyone if that's what it takes to do what he has to for the TVA because that's what he believes in.

And he does this stuff (notably: 'breaking' Loki, twice), and comes out completely unaffected. The guy is remorseless. We saw him gaslight/lie to Loki back in Episode 1. We've seen him interact with his coworkers. We've seen the TVA. They really don't care if the Variants have any autonomy (re: your Loki, Variant pet, stripping them down, the entire show of putting on a trial) because they're Variants. The second you're off the Sacred Timeline you're damage control with an upcoming expiration date and no longer have any importance, one could even say you're a cosmic mistake.

WHICH IS WHY MOBIUS FINDING OUT HE IS A VARIANT IS SUCH A COOL THING BC IT'S A MILDER VERSION OF LOKI FINDING OUT HE WAS JOTUN IN THOR 1--

Overall I really enjoy his character because he isn't inherently good, in fact he leans heavily into bad, but he does show the ability to put effort and be/do nice. Even if he is, as episode 4 showed us, selfishly motivated by what he himself personally has an interest with.

He's essentially what people make Loki out to be and I find it incredibly interesting how so many people miss that Mobius leans on bad where Loki leans heavily on good and it is, to my knowledge, because of the likeability of the actor playing him. I love meta stuff and it's the ULTIMATE turn table because that's quite often a reason Loki fans get accused of making Loki out to be better than he is :D

*Except, in my opinion, the "These people are scared" "They're about to die. They should be scared." "Okay. Not of us." scene but that was so unnecessarily placed I legitimately thought everyone considered that the narrative blatantly trying to paint Mobius as a guy with sympathy, who is different to the others, look he's even got a close friend, like a cop except a nice one because we humanized him by showing he cares. <3

It is of worth to note that Loki has been present for, and arguably was the reason for notable behavioural changes in Mobius, such as when he convinced him to go against the norm and take him to Pompeii, though that also was to further the mission. I'm undecided on whether Mobius was being sincere with Loki towards the end of Episode 4 or not, but I do lean towards him believing in the good things he says of Loki because he's seen his life story, and we've seen Loki in the other movies. This does, however, depend on what state of retconning Marvel plans to settle on with Loki :(

Mobius: It's just a kid.

Mobius: Don't worry, that devil's afraid of us. We're gonna take care of him. And we're gonna put you back where you belong.

Loki: What is this place?

Mobius: Come on!

Mobius: You do know yourself.

Loki: A villain. ( Sighs )

Mobius: That's not how I see it.

Ravonna: But Loki is an evil, lying scourge. That is the part he plays on the Sacred Timeline.

Mobius: Maybe he wants to mix it up. Sometimes you get tired of playing the same part. Is that possible? He can change?

Loki: Okay. Why are you in there sticking your neck out for me?

Mobius: I'll give you two options, and you can believe whichever one you want. A, because I see a scared little boy, shivering in the cold. And you kinda feel bad for that ice runt. Or B, I just wanna catch this guy, and I'll tell you whatever I need to tell you.

Loki: I don't need your sympathy.

Mobius: Good, 'cause I'm runnin' out of it.

Mobius: Hey! These people are scared.

Hunter D-90: They're about to die. They should be scared.

Mobius: Okay. Not of us.

Mobius: Look at me.

Hunter C-20: It's real. I wanna go home.

Mobius: We're gonna get you there. Call the TVA, let the infirmary know...

Mobius: You were right, about the TVA. You were right from the beginning. And if you wanna save her, you need to trust me. Can we do that?

Loki: Yes.

Mobius: Okay. You could be whoever, whatever you wanna be, even someone good. I mean, just in case anyone ever told you different.

[flyingbooks42]

#but seriously mobius says a few good things here and there and that's real sweet but he says far more bad to loki?#and as someone who still considers the main timeline canon as canon? basically everything bad he's said about loki is.....not right exactly#unless they're legitimately retconning thanos torturing him and the mind stone's influence and forgetting the entirety of the thor 1 arc#yeah no#Loki didn't spend his life growing up to be the damage control of Thor's fun-massacre hammer time for this#unless they're retconning further than Ragnarok did... which means to take the DB Cooper and Sif events at face value :/#im ignoring that because in-universe it's FAR more likely the TVA/Mobius is skewing things#ya know#since loki is *supposed* to have a genius level intellect and he picks up on the propaganda immediately along with Mobius' self interest#in fact i love the way he uses the latter in ep 4 because ''the TVA is lying to you'' as in YOU because of course Moby is listening NOW XD#loki show spoilers#loki spoilers#the Loki show#wait has anyone checked to see if Mobius satisfies the NPD criteria#maybe twas HIM projecting this entire time :0#i... think that could explain quite a bit? like poking at Ravonna's analyst on the side and her treating him special having him whipped#he does after all believe he's serving a higher purpose and does it just because he believes in it? plus the mirroring of loki in ep 1#lmao that'd be hilarious because he WAS soliloquizing about the TVA seriously 👀#like..... i enjoy mobius as a character i just wouldn't say a few good words make him good#it's like how doing bad doesn't make loki bad imo#mobius does bad but i'd place him around neutral#i legit love loki and mobius' dynamic (as a platonic one) because mobius will say a blatant propaganda'd thing and he's raising an eyebrow#loki's pretty self aware he's got to know on some level that he's worth *something*#but then again his self esteem is somehow always in the dumps too so I think that's where the confusion comes in#he was a prince who was never respected as one and then found out he was jotun which he was raised on xenophobia on so uhhh#it's all justified and reasonable imo#of course he lashed out in Thor 1 the lad had Odin as a measure-er of worth and was yeeted the throne and a whole war#that Loki came back to Asgard and didn't look for revenge >>>#that he calls out Odin's war crimes and speaks of them as they are >>>#quality character and the show better not butcher him further >;[ (tags via @worstloki)

Mobius: It's just a kid.

Mobius: Don't worry, that devil's afraid of us. We're gonna take care of him. And we're gonna put you back where you belong.

Loki: What is this place?

Mobius: Come on!

Mobius: You do know yourself.

Loki: A villain. ( Sighs )

Mobius: That's not how I see it.

Ravonna: But Loki is an evil, lying scourge. That is the part he plays on the Sacred Timeline.

Mobius: Maybe he wants to mix it up. Sometimes you get tired of playing the same part. Is that possible? He can change?

Loki: Okay. Why are you in there sticking your neck out for me?

Mobius: I'll give you two options, and you can believe whichever one you want. A, because I see a scared little boy, shivering in the cold. And you kinda feel bad for that ice runt. Or B, I just wanna catch this guy, and I'll tell you whatever I need to tell you.

Loki: I don't need your sympathy.

Mobius: Good, 'cause I'm runnin' out of it.

Mobius: Hey! These people are scared.

Hunter D-90: They're about to die. They should be scared.

Mobius: Okay. Not of us.

Mobius: Look at me.

Hunter C-20: It's real. I wanna go home.

Mobius: We're gonna get you there. Call the TVA, let the infirmary know...

Mobius: You were right, about the TVA. You were right from the beginning. And if you wanna save her, you need to trust me. Can we do that?

Loki: Yes.

Mobius: Okay. You could be whoever, whatever you wanna be, even someone good. I mean, just in case anyone ever told you different.