#like wes taking connor was obv a mess up but he was doing what he thought he had to
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omggg the parallels of wes taking baby connor and gunn letting some package through customs,,, both ended up being so fucking detrimental
#astro watches#angel#like wes taking connor was obv a mess up but he was doing what he thought he had to#and it rly wanst that different than stuff everyone has done before. but that time is was the worst case scenerio#and the ramifications lasted two seasons. and now gunn and his brain shit. obv it was a bad idea from the start#but this felt like just a touch up - a bad idea but liek he had already committed (also i was here for the chuck vibes lmfao)#but it ended up being a big part of the reason why fred !!!! died#goddd my boyss oh godddddd
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I’m going to a concert tonight so idk when I’ll be able to check in, but Christine, give me some headcanons from your gmw/htgawm crossover. Pleaseeeeee?
I hope you’re enjoying your concert! Ok so I’ve been trying to come up with some headcanons that are non-spoilery just in case I actually get my shit together and write all of these scenes, but I couldn’t come up with anything.
Instead I’m going to give some more background on the characters and what their htgawm counterpart(s) is/are. I hope that’s okay!!
I went overboard so it’s under the cut. These also started to get more and more vague the longer I worked at them so…¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Topanga is the Annalise (obvs) but with a lot less baggage. She and Cory were childhood sweethearts who got married and pregnant in college but she followed through with her dreams to become a defense attorney and left most of the child rearing to Cory. Once Auggie was born they moved back to their college town and Topanga took a job as a professor. These days she has a better relationship with her kids but both of them are still closer to Cory.
Cory is nothing like Sam, thank god! but he does have some dark secrets he’s hiding from his family. When Riley moves back home she believes that he is on an extended trip to visit her Uncle Eric and Uncle Jack but she soon learns that there is more to the story than that.
Riley is the most like Wes. She’s coming home and entering her old world but seeing it with fresh eyes. Being the professor’s daughter, she has something to prove to her classmates and is prepared to work twice as hard to do so. Her studies soon take a backseat when the investigation into Ava Morgenstern’s death takes a devastating turn. She decides to take matters into her own hands; anything to help her little brother.
Maya is Bonnie but, again, without all the baggage. She’s been Topanga’s right hand woman for over six years and is practically a member of the Matthews family at this point. She has a rough past with both of her parents and Topanga has taken on an almost maternal role in her life which causes some issues in their working relationship. She sometimes wonders what would have happened if she’d gone to art school, but she is generally happy with the direction her life took.
Charlie is a mix between Frank and another character that I can’t reveal because it would maybe be a spoiler. He was one of Topanga’s students before suddenly dropping out during his second year. She offered him a job and he’s been working for her ever since. He and Riley have a complicated past and when she moves home he proves that he doesn’t really know how to take a hint.
Lucas is mostly Connor with a little Michaela thrown in there because why not?! He has more than a few demons in his past and he’ll do just about anything to overcome them and make something of himself. And when he says anything he means anything. He sometimes causes more problems than he solves in the beginning, but when Riley gets in over her head he soon becomes her closest ally.
Farkle is both Asher and Laurel. Wound tightly by the expectations of his family, he comes off as cold, self centered, and the absolute worst team player. He quickly loses control though as things in his love life start to heat up.
Izzy is Oliver through and through. Absolutely lovable and too pure for this messed up group. A tech prodigy running her own start up, she has her life completely together until Farkle Minkus walks back into her life. It slowly becomes one of the best and worst decisions she’s ever made when she agrees to help him as she makes unbreakable connections when she’s thrown into their crazy world.
Zay is pretty much all Rebecca. Trouble follows as soon as he comes to town. He and Lucas were the best of friends growing up, but now Lucas wants nothing to do with him until one tragic night when their paths are forced back together. He falls hard and fast for one of our favorites and it’s this unlikely relationship that keeps him in town when things start getting scary.
#kindred katie#i could do auggie and ava too but i'm definitely losing steam#and they're pretty self explanatory i think#i'm so sorry katie these suck so much#i'm gonna go bury my head in the sand now#htgawm au#gmw
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Connor/Oliver things 1-9:
1) Okay so Connor has basically been wanting to go to the cops about what happened to Sam from the beginning. He had panic attacks and nightmares and god knows what else because of what they did. So it’s normal that he wants to protect Oliver from that. Keep him away from Annalise Keating and the house. The job. Everything that ruined his life.
2) Telling his client, the woman who was abused by her husband and killed him, that he got away with murder for ‘less legit reasons than her’ was.. well, obviously risky. But it worked. It got her to talk and eventually, out of prison. Anyhow, my point is that he basically told a stranger this instead of Oliver. Not because he doesn’t want to tell Oliver, but bc he wants to protect & keep him safe. And, I think, deep down he knows Oliver wouldn’t forgive him for this. Meaning he’d lose the ONE GOOD THING in his life (altho I 100% believe that, if Oliver pressured him about ‘lying to him’ or ‘keeping something from him’ that he would’ve told him, maybe not right away but he would’ve. especially at this point, especially after telling this client).
3) That brings me to the following, Connor needs a stable life after what happened. So he basically changes completely. He doesn’t screw around anymore as much, he doesn’t sleep with anyone he comes across. He tries everything in his power to make up his for bad decision of sleeping w that one guy that got Connor to kick him out. And they got back together, and he’s been the PERFECT boyfriend ever since. He’s been attentive, reasonable, telling Oliver pretty much everything about himself (except that one dark thing they did, which isn’t even really Connor bc it was Wes killing Sam to save Rebecca bUT details - ‘cause yeah they covered it up). So even when he finds out that he got ACCEPTED to Standford ( which was his ticket out of this mess and meant a lot to him !! ), which he didn’t even think he would bc his number was lower than Michaela’s but ? HE GOT IN. But even after Oliver kept the letter from him, basically told Standford he was Connor and that he changed his mind ??? even bc of that, Connor didn’t get angry with Oliver. He was actually really understanding ( and maybe bc he’s keeping that one dark secret and he doesn’t /get/ to judge and doesn’t want smth like this to get between them but STILL ). He even APOLOGIZED to Oliver for not listening, bc that was the only reason he thought Oliver would do this behind his back bc ‘he didn’t listen enough bc he wanted to leave so badly’.
4) The thing that happens next annoys me. Oliver breaks up with Connor. In my opinion, in this fucking moment, Oliver doesn’t get to be upset and he sure as hell doesn’t get to break up with Connor!! So Oliver is even saying he gets to be upset with him (thank you) and ?? but then he like breaks up bc ‘’he needs time for himself’’ suddenly ? it makes no sense whatsoever, especially bc he made it his goal to get a job with AK and FINALLY got it. So?? making things awkward at work bc of that as well. While Connor never even wanted him there in the first place, to keep him safe from everything.
5) Okay so Connor goes back to sleeping around bc he needs to deal with losing the one good thing in his life, the one thing that kept his life stable. The one thing he always looked forwards to. Someone to come home to after all the crap he deals with daily, because of what happened to Sam and everything that’s happened since. He ofc tries to make Oliver jealous. Anyhow, then Oliver & Connor have that conversation about that Oliver can have sex too and he brings up being HIV-positive and guys not wanting that so that he basically can’t have sex with random guys like Connor. But I was like: basically you’re saying you can’t but YOU WANT TO. And that confused me bc? he claimed that he ‘wanted time alone to figure out who he is and what he wants’ and all that? but this basically says the opposite, he wants to date but just not with Connor anymore? And like, then the fucking episode happens where they’re at that casino as ‘’friends’’ and the fucking racist flirts w Connor and Connor like confronts the guy about that and Oliver assumes he scared him away??? and Connor just takes it, bc that’s how much he loves Oliver. Esp the ‘act like an adult’ comment like ?? GOD that frustrates me sm!!
6) Oliver starts dating Thomas and everything is peachy until he tells the guy he’s HIV-positive and he’s not ready for it. Which, y’know, makes sense. It’s not nothing. But yeah it sucks for Oliver. Anyhow, Oliver gets drunk and GOES TO CONNOR. Who even asks what happened with Thomas (even though that’d obvs hurt him bc he still loves Oliver). Then Oliver (selfishly, which he even admits is selfish) tells Connor he missed him. See, I have a problem with that bc this is just like ? he was ready to move on 0.2 seconds ago but bc that didn’t work out you’re going to the /one/ guy you know loves you && will have sex with you and ??????????????? just rude. But anyway, so they have sex bc Connor still loves him. It goes on a couple of days. Thomas even apologizes and wants a second change but Oliver doesn’t want that anymore bc apparently he’s fixing things with Connor.
7) But then Oliver and Connor get into that argument where Oliver says smth about ‘the reasons why they broke up’, basically insinuating it wasn’t to figure himself out (HE FUCKING LIED?) but that it was bc of the lies. Bc of the things he knows Connor is keeping from him. So, instead of confronting Connor about what he’s keeping from him he just broke up with him. And then he’s like calling Connor DAMAGED. And that cuts deep bc, yeah he is damaged bc of everything that happened but the ONLY time where he’s actually himself and doesn’t feel so damaged is with Oliver so hearing him say that, knowing he sees him as damaged? that hurts him deep. So he leaves && goes to Michaela, breaks down on her couch and says ‘I hate him, I hate him so much’.
8) Later on, after Wes’ dead. I love how Oliver finally confronted Connor with his suspicions and Connor told him the truth. And !!! HE BELIEVED CONNOR RIGHT AWAY. Even when the others didn’t. Thankfully Michaela did too, she’s basically his bestie. But Asher (he was being a jerk), Laurel (ok, she’s the preggy gf so that makes sense), Bonnie (god I can’t believe she still hasn’t been arrested) were giving him a hard time. I was really happy with the Connor/AK talk tbh, it was long over due!! Anyhow, Oliver believing Connor just <333
9) Oliver being hella worried when Connor was kidnapped by the police. And, when he came back, asking Connor to marry him. See, I have a problem with that because?? Oliver has been traumatized by the news of what happened to Frank and what he knows /suspects/ Connor, Michaela, Wes and Laurel did. He didn’t want any details (smart) but he practically knows. And he was having a hard time bc of that, you know, dealing with all of that. Even if he wasn’t traumatized, this is like ? really quick bc technically they’re still broken up. A decision HE made and Connor had to deal with. That like really messed with Connor’s head and fucked him up pretty bad that he even said ‘’I hate him. I hate him so much.’’ ???? so to just brush over that break up and?? ask that question was really selfish. And I know Oliver loves Connor and was hella worried and maybe that made him realize he wants no one else. That it’s always been Connor and with everything that’s happened, he needs him now too. But marriage tho? idk. Like everything they both go through, especially after Wes, is a lot and they get to be upset and do irrational things. Buttttttttt yeah. I’m so glad with how Connor dealt with this. sO PROUD OF HIM.
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1. Would you date someone who smokes? -Its not a deal breaker, but i rather him not smoke. except weed thats ok.
2. Would you date someone who was addicted to drugs? - No way. If we had been dating for a while and then i found out he was on drugs like crazy i would get him thr help he needs, but i dont mess with that crowd.
3. Would you date the same sex? - No, I’m straight. 4. What’s your biggest turn off? - Arrogance 5. What’s your biggest turn on, physically? - strong arms/hands, tall, and facial hair 6. Where would you go on a first date? - Honestly I dont really care. I usually like somewhere chill where we can talk, but i hate when they spend lots of money on me. 7. Most hurtful relationship? - I dont know really, jack was kind of shitty but wasnt exactly hurtful. Tanner was shitty though cause he never really made plans and i just dumped him cus it was shitty and pointless.
8. Ever regretted breaking up with someone? -at first when i dumped tanner i felt bad cause i liked him but then i got over him quickly, we werent dating long. glad im with connor now. 9. Have you ever dated someone more than once? - welllll technically.. I dated Connor back in 2015..for like 11 days..and then we broke up, didnt talk for like 2 weeks, hung out again, he said he liked me a lot still, but i was in a bad place and was like nah. Skip 5 months (this is april 2016 at the time) later I texted him one day, and we started to talk again and in May of 2016 we started Dating, and weve been dating since then. So i guess kind of, but it wasnt like we had a relationship before.. 10. Do you miss any of your exes? -no 11. What’s your biggest turn on, NOT physically? -affectionate and romantic 12. Are you single now? - No
13. What is the sweetest thing someone you dated did for you? - Theres tons, one being when he held me for hours as i cried because of anxiety....Sleep behind a couch for 7 months cus he didt want to move away from me. theres a lot more though.. 14. Last time you got flowers? - I’ve never gotten flowers but i dont like flowers. 15. Are you ready to get into a serious relationship right now? - I am already in a serious relationship as of now 16. Do you like cuddling? - Yes
17. Do you hold grudges? - I only do if it was serious 18. Do you regret dating anyone? - Dylan. i dated him after i first broke up with connor. everyone liked dylan and i thought i did too. NEWS FLASH DONT DATE PPL CUS EVERYONE SAYS TOO!!! and Connor told me he still liked me but I was too ignorant to care. I regret every moment. Dylan and Mines relationship was pointless, we didnt get along that well, i didnt connect at all with him either 19. Hugs or kisses? - both 20. Missing someone? - Yes .21. Most important lesson you have learned from dating? - dont be with someone because they like you, dont do anything in a relationship if youre not comfortable, dont date someone because everyone likes them. and do not say I love you because they said it. 22. What does it take to get you on a date? - Flirt with me, make me laugh, get to know me a little. 23. Are you happier single or in a relationship? - relationship 24. What’s the most important thing in a relationship? -Companionship, trust, commitment. 25. What would make you break up with someone? - If he cheated on me, if i stopped liking him,etc 26. Have you ever loved someone who did not love you back? -I wouldnt say love. 27. Favorite ex? - I dont have a fav ex LOL 28. How important are looks? - I love this question because everyone gets so awkward. I do believe Looks are very important, I will not date someone i find ugly. but i might find someone meh looking and then get to know them and start to like them. But I would only be with someone i find pleasing. Obvs personality too.. i wouldnt want to date someone who thought i was ugly. 29. How do you know when you are in love? - You just know. You look at them in a different way then you did before. They inspire you to be a better person. You can look past all the flaws and see who they really are. Its just a thing you know. 30. Do you consider yourself shy? - No really. 31. Would you rather date someone who was hot or someone who was nice? -well i wouldnt want a hot asshole.. 32. If someone cheated on you, would you take them back if you really loved them? - No. I think i would be too fucked up over it I could never trust them again either. 33. Have you ever been ashamed of anyone you were dating? - no 34. Do you currently want to date? - I dont need to date since im in a relationship. 35. Thing that made you the happiest today? - just connor teasing me 36. Would you ever date anyone your parents disapproved of? - depends on why she hated him 37. Do you stay friends with the people you date? - I have tried with a few, it usually just goes no where but i never try to end relationships sour cus i still want to talk to them 38. Favorite memories with an ex? - I dont have a fav memory with a ex.
39. Would you fight over someone you wanted to be with? - well if he was with someone else, no i wouldnt be a dick. 40. Do you kiss on the 1st date? - I have before, i dont see the huge deal. 41. Would you date someone A LOT older or younger than you? - depends. my current BF is 6.5 years older but honestly thats as far as i could go. I wouldnt want to be with someone too old cause theyre in a different spot in their life. .42. Have you ever been lied to? - sure. 43. Ever been cheated on? Not that i know. 44. Do you think the word love is over used? - No. But i do think people use it too freely and think they love someone/thing when they dont.
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