#like misha? he can say cas's confession was a romantic declaration of love (bc it was) and that cas is queer bc that happened

[angelsdean]

tapping the sign that says: IF the confession / dean reciprocating is going to be something further explored in the revival then jensen / anyone involved cannot make definitive statements abt dean's feelings or destiel's reunion until it's actually shown. it would be spoiling future arcs or getting ppl's hopes up for a specific outcome that they don't have the authority to promise yet.

of course jensen is going to continue to give vague / deflecting answers. the only thing they CAN canonically speak on IS the confession because that's what's already happened. jensen can also speak on his acting choices in that scene, like how he's previous talked about where dean's headspace was at when he was sitting on the dungeon floor after.

but they literally can't be making Official Statements abt if dean reciprocates or how their reunion will play out bc we likely will be seeing that on screen and to speculate or talk abt it would potentially spoil what they're planning (since the revival at this point is pretty much a WHEN not IF scenario)

[casgod]

My take on the destiel confession scene, it's gonna be long, you've been warned.

So, everyone praises misha for his performance and also cas' declaration. I do agree misha did the best he could and did a good job on his part, however I have to admit, I don't like that scene at all.

First of all, the cinematography is orrible, I'm sorry, all those cuts and shit (I'm not an expert by any means so this is just my personal opinion). We've been fed iconic destiel eye-effing and too long stares for 12 years and during a freaking love confession we get zero of that and an awkward back and forth between dean and cas..... why??? Also I'm having a problem with the part where cas pushes dean out of the way, maybe I'm the stupid one but it seems very off, like cas pushes him to the right but he falls to the left?? Idk this might be me being dumb.

Also, I hated the bangs on the door interrupting the moment, we know Billie is after them, you don't need to remind us.

Let's now talk about the actual content.

So, I don't like at all the way cas explains the empty deal to dean, it seems unprompted and an awkward "previously on". Imo it is also a bit out of character, since we know cas acts without really caring to explain to others what his plans are, as long as he believes he's doing the right thing. So why confess the empty deal? I believe they just put it there for the audience, knowing many might be watching the last episodes of the show without having watched it consistently. And I get it, but I personally believe it was badly executed.

Moreover, I believe it would have been more in character and even more heartbreaking if cas just confessed without mentioning the deal. At that point, dean would have believed cas was just saying his last words since both of them would be dead soon. That way we could have had the same wordless reaction by dean, but for different reasons, focusing on cas' love confession rather than the deal.

Also, they could have cut the "happiness is just in being it .. just in saying it" bcs honestly thats bullshit and everyone knows that. They needed to find a way to justify making the confession the least gay possible. Like I don't get why they tried to explain what's going on, just let him confess and once he's taken we can figure out ourselves what happened!!

I personally believe it should've gone a bit like this: confession part all the same (no mentioning of the deal), still "why does this sound like a goodbye" "because it is" bcs dean understands something's going on BUT doesn't know what it is (also still teary dean because I liked that part)! Then cas says "i love you" and reaches for dean's face/hand and in that moment billie enters and he instead pushes dean away (we keep the beloved handprint) and he's taken by the empty, with Billie. That would have been a real plot twist! Bcs we didn't know it was coming from the start (which we did in the actual scene).

They didn't even have to make them touch romantically but at least the intention from cas should have been there imo. Idk I'm not a writer so there are probably so many better ways to rewrite the scene, but you get my point I hope.

Lastly, without mentioning the deal during the confession, dean would've been forced to talk about it later with the others to figure out what happened. Then Jack could've explained the deal, and Dean would have been hit with the realisation that the "I love you" was cas' true moment of happiness (imagine the doubled shock value!). That way, we would've had an actual conversation about cas after his death (which we deserved) without it being dean having to open up about the "love" part, but making it as trying to figure out why the empty took cas.

After that realisation, we could've had dean shut down and never mention it again (and the crying scene again bcs why not), but at least it wouldve been somewhat justified! Bcs let's be real, the reason we got little to no mention of cas after 15x18 is because they didn't want to confront dean's feelings for cas (didn't want to deny or confirm reciprocity, also the reason I believed they killed dean off in the end).

Anyways, if you actually read my whole rant, thank you! I would love to hear other opinions about it/ how the confession should have gone according to you.

[fatimscapsule]

Supernatural S15 | E20

*SPOILERS*

Ok where to fucking start!! FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY FUCK THE WRITES AND FUCK U ANDREW DABB I FUCKING TRUSTED U THIS HURTS MORE THAN GAME OF THRONES FINAL.

I am not really mad dean died, i guess it was a good choice. I just don't like the way he did. With some boring vampires and a screw...

Then sam who was devastated when eileen disappeared with the snap, never mentioned her again. When they had built a really cute and romantic relationship. He just finish his life sad bc he lost his brother and end up with some woman we don't even know/see. Then we have dean. So out of character, every damn season he did EVERYTHING to bring cas back, everything. But this time he seems like he doesn't even care. And when he gets to his heaven, we see bobby. But no cas, just a little mention (not what he deserved after 12 years, becoming the 3rd lead, being in every photoshoot and poster. And after sacrificing himself FOR DEAN).

For cas we get this declaration of love that misha himself said was "an homosexual declaration” and several cast members said “we all knew cas was in love with dean” but we get no answer from dean. That a little  fucking harsh, don't u think!? And I watched the 2 final hoping for something more. We are in 2020 and the way they confessed cas's love and KILLED HIM RIGHT AFTER is very very... ughhh! THAT'S JUST FUCKED UP, MAN.

I am sad bc i really loved the show but this ending is ruined it for me. I could never watch it again (as i wanted) knowing dean's gonna die young, cas will die for nothing (bc he sacrifice for dean to live), sam will be sad growing old without his brother and the family they had built along the years. The sentence "family doesn't end with blood” then getting the ending to show that it's not true bc their heaven is just the 2 together. No cas, no jack, (i can understand for jack, must be busy being god) BUT NO CAS I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT!!

Sorry for the long ass text, i needed to get this out of my chest. Bc that show meant a lot to me and they just broke my heart with the 2 last ep by forgetting every character's development, and just focusing on sam and dean when we know that cas had become a main character too. I feel like all these years meant nothing. But i'd like to point that Jensen, Misha and Jared did an awesome job! (the others too of course) And i don't blame them for the very BAD writing, i now understand why jensen didn't like the ending bc...well neither do I jensen, neither do I...

The only reason i cried was because they had the chance to write 2 beautiful love stories with seileen and destiel and THEY DIDN'T TOOK THAT CHANCE! And especially with deancas (destiel) since they were actually told to "eye fucked” in every scene together, and we all know they both loved each other. I'd like to remind everyone that cas is an angel and don't have any gender. We see dean fuck with hanna but "can't reciprocate cas's love” JUST BECAUSE HE HAS A MAN VESSEL. If cas would have been in a woman vessel they would have been together since season 5... Spn is HOMOPHOBIC for doing this. I'm just so disappointed, and I actually wish they had ended it with episode 18 or 19 that woud've been better than THIS.

I just can't believe my favorite show ended like this... I can't believe it.