#last bit was a bit salty but i really am tired of seeing discourse on my fav little guys
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hiemaldesirae · 1 year ago
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one of the major problems i find with online discourse about antagonistic characters and storylines sourcing from novels is that some people cant see past what is said to what is meant- and that other people can, but in their perception of the implied lore, make overdue assumptions of plot and character.
for example: in svsss, it is heavily implied that qiu jianluo s/a'ed the original shen qingqiu, thus shaping his outlook on society in general: females are safe, males are not. this leads to point against him in the form of his favouritism for ning yingying, the only (afaik) female qing jing disciple and his habit of finding comfort in brothels. this is misconstrued by the original protagonist in the novel pidw, leading to a false misconception held by our protagonist, shen yuan, that shen qingqiu is a lecherous paedophile.
as the reader, there are a number of context clues given to tell us how that is not the case-- mostly found in the extras-- and are meant to challenge the worldview, make us realize that like shen yuan, we as the audience only know as much as the author will tell us. did shen jiu hate luo binghe specifically because his name reminded him of qiu jianluo? was he jealous of the potential luo binghe had? or was he merely looking for a target to take his anger out on?
it is not mentioned, therefore we do not know, and should not make assumptions on the canon behaviour of this character towards someone else.
however, this is often not understood by the overall fandom: either they completely look past the context clues that tell us, this character is more than they seem and instead jump straight to demonization without first considering context and setting, or they overcompensate for someone by making excuses to justify behaviour we do not have explanations for.
this is the reason why we have people who constantly demean and bully others in fandom: they cannot read or think for themselves past what is clearly shown to them and refuse to challenge the idea that the author may be deliberately feeding unreliable information to make a more interesting story, and it doesnt help that there are people attempting to justify behaviour that is specifically written to be bad.
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problematiq · 6 years ago
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@reneetaleenaisnotvicious it’s just a place full of assholes.
in the last couple of weeks, i had to explain to them why you can’t use the n-word when you’re not black, thinking it was common knowledge, only to be met with “well, it’s not universally agreed upon” (like, no shit, of course white people won’t agree that they can’t use it and since when does every single person have to agree that something is wrong in order for it to be wrong?) and “saying i can’t say the n-word is reverse racism”, causing me to dig into 2012 discourse on how reverse racism isn’t real.
people will defend the actions of every single human being billie joe has ever had contact with. the allegations of the former (jewish) employer against kat von d about her writing an antisemitic note to him are dismissed as “just a cry for attention from an unhappy employee” even though experts have concluded that it was 99% her handwriting - but yeah, kat von d never said she wrote it, so it must just be fake, since we all know and trust her??
in the discussion over billie’s collaboration with morrissey, people have defended that dude at every turn so they could feel better about their collaboration and completely dismissed everyone who showed concern or disappointment with it. i’m not gonna list everything morrissey has done and i’m not gonna debate it with anyone anymore since i’ve seriously had it up to here with that topic, but the gist of it is that morrissey is a racist UKIP supporter who said that “chinese people are a subspecies”. people have routinely and adamantly attempted to downplay the racism and rationalize his fucked up behavior, saying “well maybe billie just didn’t know about what he did, why should you research everything your collab partner has done” which turned to “morrissey not a racist, he’s just a dumb idiot with no influence who wants attention” which turned into “he’s not even a ukip supporter” which turned into “well actually ukip / nigel farage aren’t even xenophobic if you think about it”. then, a user on the forum who is half-chinese voiced her disappointment in the forum for defending that scumbag tooth and nail and said she was done with the forum and wouldn’t visit anymore. people backpedaled a bit but still tried to tell her that it’s “not really that bad�� and “there are worse forms of racism you should focus on” like lmfao really? so that’s when i said “you know what fuck y’all” and left the forum too and with that, the green day fandom really because i am sick and tired of people worshipping the ground billie walks on like fucking catholics, incapable of criticising him or admitting any flaws or mistakes.
for some reason i decided to join the discord server for the old gdc people who used the chat a lot because i thought, maybe i don’t have to cut contact to everyone and can still enjoy talking to people about my favorite band?? and for a while we had fun and i really liked them.
so on april 1st, they announced that the forum would be shut down forever by the end of the week because it was too much work and too expensive to continue keeping it up or whatever. of course only gullible people believed it and nobody else really took it seriously while the mod team desperately tried to convince everyone that it was not an april fools joke like “omgz i’m so sad” and “i dont understand why everyone would think THIS IS A JOKE wow i am so UPSET” and it was ridiculous really because they tried so hard with the joke and nobody bought it.
so then someone posted the link to the discord server in the forum so more and more people joined and i was like “oh” because suddenly every person i hated on the forum and who was the reason I left gdc in the first place joined the discord server, even the gdc mods (who can all suck a fucking dick). those people don’t like me either so it already felt restricting to post there and i was getting pissed that i joined there first and then they all came and forced me to communicate with them again. and i’m serious, i’m fucking done with that place and i want nothing to do with these people either.
then on april 2nd (AFTER april fools) the site was down but some people still didn’t believe it was gone forever because WHY WOULD THEY? that april fools joke was a fucking pathetic attempt to upset the community who loved the forum, and they were salty nobody gave a shit so they had to take extreme measures. i would’ve been happy to believe it and see the forum fucking rot but other people who had found friends and loved the community were genuinely upset about this (one person even started a gofundme).
then, some minor mod joined the discord and complained about us “talking shit” about the mods because it was all the admin’s fault and he gave us some bullshit story about how he was angry with him too, that the admin had given the mods a chance to back up their shit before they closed or even gave them an opportunity to take over the forum but nobody wanted to blah blah blah and some shit about green day’s management wanting to restrict the forum because people were talking about their private lives or that they had planned a dookie tour but it was cancelled because of trés baby or some shit??? whatever. and i believed it because he was convincing and not someone who usually lies and trolls people but who put in a lot of work into the media section and would have been upset if it were gone, so i was actually sorta understanding towards him.
then a couple of hours later the site was back online, the admin made some stupid joke about “lololool i’m a mastermind you can go fuck yourselves i’m so happy with myself!111!!”, they made a social media post about it having just been an april fools joke while directly quoting something i said on the discord server, and that one unimportant mod who lied to us and some other dumbass mod i’ve always hated posted on the discord that they “had a lot of fun lying to us” and how fucking hilarious our reactions were or whatever and how good it was to see how many people cared about gdc like???
and i was fucking mad because I HAD LEFT THAT PLACE!!!!! i had literally left that place and they come to the place i kinda found refuge hin after leaving that shithole (a place i actually liked being on and where i had fun to communicate with the other members and could actually see myself staying and maybe not leaving the fandom entirely), infiltrate it with their fucking presence and make it my fucking business what happened to GDC, lie to me and everyone and laugh to themselves about the things i said or how they had fooled us. so they ruined everything for me again just so they could have a laugh and i’m not kidding when i say i hate every single fucking person who keeps this dumpsterfire running with a passion. and what’s almost more frustrating is how every single person who was mad at them for the joke now runs back to them like “oh wow that was a mean joke but now i’m just happy i can be back, i’m ready to put this behind me” lmfao.
i don’t give a shit about the forum, I. LEFT. i want nothing to do with them, i don’t want them around me, i don’t want them to talk to me or about me. i want them to ignore my fucking existence and leave me THE FUCK alone. and now i can’t even visit the discord anymore because they don’t even have the fucking decency to leave the server after their bullshit stunt. so thanks for fucking nothing you absolute dumbass fucking dick-eating pieces of horseshit.
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adorealeclightwood · 7 years ago
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SH Live Review, 3x06: A Window Into An Empty Room.
I’m back with another live review! 
As you know, I try to avoid spoilers (minus promos), and haven’t read any of the books. I’ll pause to address any questions or concerns I have about the episode, and I’ll definitely scream over Alec at least twice. Feel free to watch along, or read after you’ve already seen the episode. 
The character analysis will follow soon after (by popular demand) and then I’ll be free to answer all your wonderful questions and provide thought-provoking discourse.
Here we go!
Who is this?
Oh, Heidi’s crazy ass. Yawn.
Who the hell is that behind her??? 
Simon and Kyle training? I’m going to enjoy this. 
Come on Kyle, you should’ve known that was going to happen. His magical mark is still effective. 
And this is why I always leave at least one light on before I leave the house! 
Heidi is so annoying jwjnvfinvs I just don’t like her. 
Is it bad that I wanted her to make a move and be blasted across the room by the mark? No? Okay. 
OHHH, THE MALEC SCENE. 
SALTY ALEC IS MY FAVORITE ALEC.
Matt’s lips look incredible in this scene, fyi. 
And his hair, too. Whew. 
Yikes. Alec does have a point though. 
I like the fact that he went to Izzy afterwards. The purest siblings. 
Yes, Alec! Let them know! Clearly, I’ll discuss this later.
Maryse always looks so good, that must be where Izzy gets her fashion sense from. 
Her runes are gone ):
Clary is so stressed. I’m still shook over Ithuriel’s death. 
PAUSE. Lilith is creeping me the hell out. It’s started to look like she’s got some creepy obsession with Jace. Using him to help get her son back is one thing, but again, this is getting creepy. Well, creepier. Pressing play.
Maia coming through with the realness. To be fair, Simon didn’t mean to turn Heidi. If anything, Raphael is to blame. 
I live for mother daughter scenes. 
PAUSE. I feel for Maryse! Being a Shadowhunter was such an important piece of her lifestyle. To have something so prevalent be torn away has to be heartbreaking, even if she’d done something to “deserve” it (which I’m still calling BS on). Pressing play. 
Strong, brave, and beautiful, but no longer a Shadowhunter. That hit me right in the feels. 
A family outing? Yes please! 
Ah, I love the growth. From disproving Izzy’s choice in men, to being happy someone has made her daughter smile. My heart is about to burst. 
I don’t know why I almost forgot about Ollie. 
Aw, Luke. Can we give him a girlfriend or something? I’m tired of seeing him alone all the time. 
Alec doesn’t believe a word he’s saying LMAO.
Taking a walk??? BULLSHIT.
Jace is so fucking fake, I’m hollering. 
THE LOOK ON HIS FACE WHEN CLARY HUGGED HIM. LORD
Now Clary knows how Alec feels when he can sense something is wrong with Jace. Oh, how the tables have turned! 
Sweetie, Raphael is gone. 
Ugh, Heidi again? I’m bored. 
Who cares? Obviously Simon, since he’s asking. 
Simon is so sweet. 
The way he ducked that kiss euifreivieg I need someone to make a gif.
Magnus and Clary? This is new. I dig it. 
Magnus should be a detective! 
Biscuit! Ah!
Magnus and his patience. Not everyone has that kind of time, honey!
Simon being concerned about Maia. Aw.
Jace looks so out of place.
Alec is the most adorable son. 
“Why am I the last one to know about this?” ALEC PLEASE.
DAMN IT JACE.
Pediatrics! My friend is going into pediatric surgery! 
Alec is like “jewelers? that’s the best she could do?” 
From wincing at a sip, to ordering a double. Started from the bottom, now we’re here.
LUKE AND MARYSE. THE PAIRING I DIDN’T KNOW I NEEDED.
Luke really is the right person to go to for something like this. I forgot he was a Shadowhunter before becoming a wolf. 
Ooooh, cue the cute memories. 
THEY’RE SO CUTE? I’M BEAMING. 
Clary checking up on Magnus. Cuteness overload. 
I love how everyone just knows he and Alec will get through this. 
Brother Zachariah is lowkey fine. 
Helping out a warlock and a Shadowhunter without the rest of the brother’s knowing? I like him already. 
OH SHIT. THIS JUST GOT INTERESTING. 
Simon is the SWEETEST, holy shit. 
Drunk Alec! Yes! 
Underhill is me at every party. When I’m not the one that’s drunk, that is. 
Heidi again? Can someone kill her already?
Izzy was ready to end it ALL.
She’s going to take all of this the wrong way and think Simon loves her or something, I’m calling it now.
Charlie, don’t do it! 
PAUSE, PAUSE, FUCKING PAUSE. Alec in this leather jacket? With this hairstyle? Even the way he’s leaning is attractive? Jesus. Alright, pressing play. 
My poor son. 
Finally someone tells him not to be so hard on himself! 
Alec refusing help even when he’s drunk like the subtle control freak he is. 
Is no one noticing how strange Jace is acting right now? I mean, look at him!
For a second, I thought Simon had turned her in to the clave himself. I’m pleasantly surprised. 
“You don’t lie to someone you love” But...sigh.
Oh shit, now Magnus is figuring it out. 
Off topic, but isn’t that the same alley him and Alec reunited in? The lanterns look familiar. 
I ALMOST DROPPED MY DRINK. 
A fight scene! That’s what I’m talking about!
LMFAOOOO LUKE SAID FUCK THE MAGIC, I’M FIRING.
OH MY GOD. 
NOW OLLIE IS GONE TOO. 
WAIT, IT’S OVER? FUCK. I wanted more.
I have! I will definitely be watching this over again. For science reasons, of course. I must say, I expected a little more from that owl reveal scene, but maybe it was underwhelming because they were in shock. I’m assuming we’ll get more of a reaction from them in the next episode. If they don’t tell Alec in 3x07, I swear...
Anyway, thanks for reading! See you in a bit.  
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