#kismesissitude

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Doodles! (Ignoer the oens at da bottom, thoes r fur latr)

N yes, da first two r fur ma most horribel infuriatin kismesis <3< mothafuckin hateluv er so hard

//(ignore the ones at the bottom, those are for later)

And yes, the first two are for my most horrible, infuriating kismesis <3< motherfucking hatelove her so hard

[relaxxattack]

"kismesis always murder each other in the end because that's what slick and snowman do" this is actually not the case. this could not be more explicitly not the case

[rainismalyce]

Edits of an autism creature nonverbal communication image for Quadrant romance

Bonus: Flushed Pity Version

[aardwoof]

i wish more people in the hazbin fandom were homestucks man

it’s so glaringly obvious to me that vox has the BIGGEST pitch crush on alastor

[dietyprophet]

ATTENTION BITCHES WHO SHIP RADIOAPPLE

I know what you are

[nekropsii]

♤crotuna is double awful to me as a mituna liker and also guy who is obsesessed with troll society. like thats not how kismessitude works its a rivalry you cant just put to people who dont like each other together and call it pitch. can anyone hear me. its so dark in here.

ALSO when people act like cronus couldnt abuse mituna if they were in spades... KILLING YOU WITH MY MIND. did everyone just forget about terezi and gsmzee???

Pitch is Rivalry, yeah. Competitive Self Betterment. A lot of people seem to forget some genuine affection is necessary for BlackRom to work out and that there's clear distinction between "BlackRom" and "Just Hating Someone". The reason they can get so intense is because you care about the other party. It's a hell of a lot easier to get mad at something if you care about it, either because you love that thing or because it's negatively impacting something you love. It's why politics get people so up in arms. Politics inherently spell out who you do and do not care for the lives and rights of, and if that steps on groups that represent people that others care about a lot, they're going to get angry. Because... Duh.

Abusive Kismesissitudes are real and extremely possible, and I hate when people act like "Abuse" and "Kismesissitude" are either synonymous or completely exclusive of each other. Gamzee and Terezi were directly addressed as being in an Abusive Kismesissitude. There was a whole damn arc about it. Confronting the fact that it was an Abusive Kismesissitude was done in plain terms and on screen. It's pretty clearly spelled out.

So, yeah, fully agree. Pitch CroTuna is not fucking real and it never will be, because Cronus does not love Mituna and Mituna does not love him, and they're not in a god damned Quadrant. Cronus is explicitly just Mituna's abuser, and while this does involve Cronus sexually assaulting him, the mere presence of Mituna getting assaulted does not at all equate to either of them having feelings for each other, and if you so much as imply anything near contrary to that point, you are a sick fuck and should get hit by a car. Cronus does not care about Mituna. He cares about the fact that he can take advantage of the fact that he's a very vulnerable target that people will not listen to if he tries to speak up about the fact that he is getting abused. Cronus says that directly. He admits to it, in plain terms!

This is not shipping material, this is explicitly, textually someone experiencing extreme violence and bigotry at the hands of a man who does not care for the rights, happiness, consent, lives, and bodily autonomy of other people. This is explicitly someone getting intentionally targeted and abused because they are a vulnerable, oppressed minority group and the abuser feels confident they can get away with the abuse. Cronus has openly admitted to wishing that "culling meant what it should mean on Beforus", meaning making Alternian Culling methods - which is literal eugenics - the standard, so that he could kill Mituna for the crime of being disabled and get away with it. Nothing Cronus has ever said to Mituna even verges on Pitch Flirting. Not even close. It's just raw, unfiltered violent abuse and hatred.

If one is going to fetishize or romanticize abuse, at least own up to it. Don't try to warp canon just to soften and blur the edges. Don't get coy. Be straightforward and tag + talk about it appropriately, like an adult. Because if you're pairing Cronus and Mituna together, you are not writing a Pitch Relationship, you are writing Extreme Abuse. This shit isn't consensual, and the playing field is NOT even. Do not pretend like it is. Do not get coy. Be honest.

[ghostspostsposts]

Sorry guys

[polygamousfistingchaos]

Made quadrant kissing emojis. If I can find mm kiss and ff kiss pngs I'll do those too

[pxnky-prxmise]

♒︎♉︎ CROFIOH | CRONUS ampora ♠ RUFIOH nitram

i''ll prob do their sloppy makeout sprite edit a later time yeah i call the whole 'sleepystuck' thing 'sloppy makeout' bc tahts waht it is and i will stand by it forever im starting to lose confidence in my art recently but thats what make being an artist so much more. that. yeah

-> Remember your daily click🍉! What you do can help thousands, especially in dire situations, your help is needed.

[dancestorshipping]

CRONUS: ruf1oh,,,? no wvay,,,!

RUFIOH: cronus,,,? you mean the guy vwho,,, yknowv,,,

[snortoborto]

[heartbunnymoth]

rb gregor♠️n corp meursault

[relaxxattack]

Can you elaborate on what you meant with that ashen post? What do quadrant misunderstandings have to do with Eridan

oh my god, absolutely.

first of all, the fandom seemed to take eridan at his word when he said moirallegiance was a lesser romance akin to a friendzone; that's its own problem.

but in relation to blackrom: the toxic, horrible behavior that eridan displays in his flirting is often taken by fans to prove that kismesissitude is an inherently abusive, unnatural quadrant that the empire forces young trolls into. but this is incorrect.

as stated by multiple characters in-text AND by andrew hussie later: this behavior is not pitch at all. it's ashen flirting.

feferi calls out how transparent this bullshit is instantly. terezi, too, gets caught up in this when eridan decides to drag her into it, but she is also not having his shit. both of them read him for how fake he is. and that's not even going into how completely uninterested sollux was in this “rivalry”.

hussie, in the commentary, also states that eridan's obviously outrageous behavior is basically textbook for an ashen solicitation.

i feel that it's also worth mentioning that when eridan had a real kismesis, his relationship with her was amiable, and they even supported each other as teammates and allies in their campaigns. the second she gets bored of him, eridan starts pretending their relationship is volatile and going to “become murderous” to get kanaya to auspistize for him… sound familiar? 

and now here is what eridan looks like when he's actually pitch flirting. notice how despite his obvious assholery, eridan also tries to treat her with weird respect and pay her compliments? there's a noticeable difference between how eridan treats someone he actually has a pitch thing for and how he treats sollux.

eridan is intentionally going way over the line, to goad people into stopping him. i discussed this before in reference to vriska/kanaya/tavros, but trolls actually seemingly don't want their relationships to become unpleasant. they have an entire quadrant dedicated to intervening if they think a relationship isn't healthy. and the relationship going extremely toxic is attributed to a failure of auspisticism, not a natural facet of pitch romance.

this is what eridan's treatment of sollux is. it's unhealthy, by troll standards. which is saying something! it says that trolls have standards for blackrom; standards that make them think trolls like vriska, gamzee and eridan are going too far. 

so that's what my funny little image was trying to encapsulate. that fandom has such a blind spot when it comes to ashen relationships that it makes them misinterpret pitch romance as well. they forget that it's literally proven in-comic that trolls don't accept shit tons of toxicity as normal in their romance. (of course it gets a little more complicated when caste dynamics are introduced, but in the end other trolls still wish to auspistize in cases like terezi/gamzee.) 

ashen romance has a purpose, and people straight up refusing to acknowledge one of the four romances in the four romance system throws their perspective of the entire thing off balance.

[flaggingtophat]

[IMAGE ID: Three almost identical flags. They all feature 5 stripes and a gradient of stripes from black to purple in the center. As well as this, they all feature a spades symbol. For each flag it is a different color but the stripes gradient is continued in the spade symbol, making it dark on the edges but light in the middle. The first spade is pink, the second grey and the third red to reflect the homestuck quadrants pale, ashen and flushed.]

PITCHLOOSE (moirrallegic leaning, ashen leaning, rromantic leaning)

A trrm 4 someone who uses kismesissitude orr pitch as a widrr trrm than intended or do not exprrience the descrribed definition of pitch but use it anyway.

Coined by a monkey but terrm based on loveloose hrre or by @pro-crastinate17 and both flags/terms inspired by @mx-princey. Flag crreated by a monkey I know (I asked how I should crredit && this was it).

Matching trrms ashenloose, paleloose && loveloose hrre, hrre && hrre.

[alt text: Pitchloose (moirallegic leaning, ashen leaning, romantic leaning). A term for someone who uses kismesissitude or pitch as a wider term than intended or do not experience the described definition of pitch but use it anyway. Coined by a monkey but term based on loveloose here or by @pro-crastinate17 and both flags/terms inspired by @mx-princey. Flag created by a monkey I know (I asked how I should show credit and this was it). Matching terms ashenloose, paleloose and loveloose here, here and here.]

[emojiicaptor]

flags

[en8y]

[IMAGE ID: two horizontal flags with seven evenly-sized stripes. the first flag's stripes, from outside to inside, are as follows: dark red, dull red, rose gold, and off-white. the second flag's stripes, from outside to inside, are as follows: dull grey-purple, medium grey, warm grey, and off-white. both flags have symbols in the center. the first flag's symbol resembles a diamond shape with horns that are curved inwards; it is dark red. the second flag's symbol is a dull grey-purple teardrop shape. END ID.]

wanted to finish out the mixed quadrant flags started by @technicolor-overcoat, inspired by @cocajimmycola's mixed quadrant system!

flashen: combined flush/ashen attraction

pashon: combined pitch/ashen attraction

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