#kim dokja is a hypocrite

[orv-random-quotes]

day 74

This guy, words were obviously not getting through to him.

To think, he'd damage someone else's train and barge inside, only to start yapping on and on about his own stuff.

[tls12lessthan3]

kim dokja's thoughts about yoo joonghyuk during the 41st shin yoosoung fight really sort of epitomize his accidental cruelty during this period of the novel to me. shin yoosoung states that she 'hates [yoo joonghyuk] for living alone in this world', because it prevented them from forming a real relationship - a reiteration of orv's theme that isolating yourself will only hurt yourself and others. this isolation and it's detrimental effects are something kim dokja recognizes in yoo joonghyuk and is quite insistent on preventing it. he tries to get yoo joonghyuk to see the world as real again, to see his companions as true friends rather than characters simply repeating their lines. but the way he does this is somewhat suspect. he places people like lee seolwha in front of yoo joonghyuk and does his best to smush them together like a kid playing dolls. he repeats lines he knows will affect the character yoo joonghyuk. he places building blocks for a happy ending. and due to a parallel isolation to yoo joonghyuk's own he himself stays out of this plan to make yoo joonghyuk friends, content to play a vaguely paternalistic role from behind the curtains.

but of course this does not work, and yoo joonghyuk ignores the pieces placed in front of him to loudly declare kim dokja his companion, sending shin yoosoung into a rage. of course this should be exactly what kim dokja has been gunning for - yoo joonghyuk is acknowledging others as real again, he's made friends, kim dokja should be glowing like a proud father. except the chords he struck somehow made the wrong tune and now kim dokja's involved where he shouldn't be! so kim dokja continues telling yoo joonghyuk how to feel. he couldnt actually care about kim dokja, he must be lying. he must be wrong. no one could actually care about him. the plan is working but kim dokja pretends it isnt! he barrels into yoo joonghyuk's life and makes him care again and then denies it ever happened! its hypocritical! its cruel! orv shows 41st shin yoosoung and says look at what happens when you deny someone companionship, when you hold yourself apart, and then kim dokja does just that in the next breath! it's horrible, what kim dokja does to yoo joonghyuk here. and it's a cruelty that will continue the rest of the novel.

[momoyoshi73]

Top 5 devastating "What happened to you?" yhk moments in orv, unranked.

(Aka: 5 ways yoohankim destroyed me)

1. Oldest dream reveal

Dude this one was fucking insane like imagine seeing the most clever, tactical, and rational man you know who also happens to be the person you love more than anything else–in that state...trembling on the ground with tears falling from his eyes as he weakly searches for broken shards of his sword that he can use to kill himself, all because he loves you too much to escape the guilt of unintentionally bringing your world to ruin. All because he is clueless that you are glad he had done so, for that ruined world is what saved him...it's what brought him to you.

2. You did well

When Han Sooyoung finally saved Kim Dokja, seeing his clothes in tatters with cuts and bruises all over his body to the point she wouldn't be surprised if he'd keel over at any second. But he doesn't. He doesn't cry or shout, he doesn't fall, he doesn't plead nor break. He smiles at her, asking her if shes alright...telling her that she did well. And that fucking breaks her inside because she thinks 'why the hell are you asking me that, look at yourself?' And she wants to shake him around and punch him in the face for not taking care of himself and for deceiving her but at the same time, she wants to sob into his arms and beg him to never do this again. But she can't do any of it. Because he's just way too lovable in her eyes. So she just stands there, on the verge of tears, recieving comfort from the man she wanted the save, the man she always failed to protect.

3. I'll finish your story

When Kim Dokja saw the most vulnerable, pathetic, and defenceless side of Yoo Joonghyuk. The strongest and most fearless man he ever knew was breaking right in front of him, stuttering and covering his ears, curling up in fear of the tragedy he was forced to bear his entire life. Kim Dokja knew that he had no right to comfort him because he had read his suffering for his own salvation for so many years. Because he fed on the protagonist's woes for far too long just to relieve his desperate need for comfort. But he saw the hopeless man in front of him, and his heart crumpled. He wanted to save him, even though he knew he couldn't. Even though he despised himself for it because he knew it would make him nothing more than a hypocrite—just like the constellations he loathed so deeply. So he held Yoo Joonghyuk's hands, telling him he can rest and that he'll finish his story. And for the first time in so many regression turns, yoo joonghyuk felt a glimmer of hope. And it was from the very man who unknowingly ruined his life and stained it with tragedy.

4. Write on the wall

Yoo Joonghyuk and Han Sooyoung saw Kim Dokja behind the unbreakable fourth wall, sobbing, crazed over the truth of his past. They knew that Kim Dokja would probably escape this situation on his own, that this was all just predetermined history. They knew they couldn't change anything recorded on that wall no matter what they wrote. But how could they not, when their beloved reader was so devastated? So they wrote on the wall, screamed at it, telling him to regain control. And unbeknownst to those two, Kim Dokja from the other side could hear their words.

5. Museum fight

After Han Sooyoung and Yoo Joonghyuk failed to save Kim Dokja in the 1865th turn—losing all of his fragments as a result—they separate for 5 years. Once they meet again, they brutally fuck each other up, causing the worst ruckus in Seoul that no one could stop. They let out all their pent-up rage and resentment, which weren't even directed at each other, but to Kim Dokja. Han Sooyoung knew that no matter what she did to move on, she was still undeniably happier in the ruined world where she met her sole reader. And that's when she takes a closer look at Yoo Joonghyuk, realizing how haggard and lifeless he looks. Then she regrets her actions, reqlizing she fucked up, that she should've asked him how he's been all this time. Because deep down, she realizes that he's exactly the same as her. They're both regressors, unable to take a step forward after the day they lost him.

[1800-page-not-found]

Hi! Glad to see an ORV writer. They seem to be a very rare breed. Like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Anyhow, as you might have guessed. I have an ORV request for you. I got sort of inspired by that vampire. How about having our reader being a phoenix? Ya know the mythical immortal firebird? With the related powers? Like how would KDJ and YHJ react to their “s/o” being one? Like say they seemingly ‘died’ but then ina red flash of flames they are instantly revived, completely healed.

School is starting soon which means my updates are gonna be even scarcer lol

Kim Dokja, Yoo Joonghyuk (seperate) x reader

Summary: You sacrificed yourself for them, but just before they can grieve, you come back to life?

Using the Disaster of Floods chapters when Shin Yoosung obliterated KDJ in the novel.

also, Yoo joonghyuk never dated Lee seolhwa bc plot

Kim Dokja knew you were a phoenix, as it said from the story and your character profile said so. What he didn't realize was the fact that you also shared the same abilities as one (your character was mentioned only a few times in TWSA). So when you died, Kim Dokja was terrified.

Kim Dokja's eyes widened at your body standing in front of him. Nononono! He-He was supposed to take the shot! Why did you do that?! You knew he could revive again!-why?

He dashed to catch your fallen body. "No, no, no! [name]! Y-you can't die! Shit! Why did you do that!?" But your body had already fell limp. Kim Dokja cried for his favorite side character, his lover, his idol.

He held you close, yet tears were unable to fall due to the fourth wall. "I can't even cry or mourn you...What kind of lover am I?" He could only close his eyes and curse fate for doing this to him.

-

You opened your eyes to darkness, until a screen popped up.

[You have died.]

[Revitalization count down has finished.]

[The skill, Phoenix:Revive, is taking effect.]

-

Kim Dokja's eyes opened, then widening as your body started to burn. He could only step back, and watch as your body lit on fire. Your clothes started to burn, besides the ones which were fire resistant. 'I couldn't even give you a proper goodbye and their taking me away from you?...' Kim Dokja thought bitterly. He looked down at the ground, clenching his fists in anger.

-

You opened your eyes, your body feeling warm as a flame engulfed you. 'Ah...how nice it is to be a phoenix...' You sighed in relief.

-

The sound of your sigh snapped Kim Dokja's head up to you. "[N-name]? H-how?" Oh, how he wanted to cry so much right then and there. Too bad for the fourth wall.

You stood up as the flames lessoned and cooled down, dusting off some ash. "Huh?...But I thought you knew? I'm a phoenix remember?" You tilted your head in confusion. Wasn't he the one to realize you were a phoenix the moment you met? Surely it wasn't a bluff right?

"A-ah right...how could I be so foolish..." He mumbled, blushing a bit as his heart rate cooled down from the shock. He ran up to you, hugging you tightly and not letting go, ignoring the sweat and high temperature that surrounded you. "Y-you can't do that again!.."

You stood still, a menacing aura coming from you. "What the hell do you mean 'I can't do that again?' Once the cool down is finished, I won't let you die. Hypocrite. You were gonna take the shot for that wretched man, so why can't I?" You seethed in anger.

"Right right sorry..." Kim Dokja scratched his head bashfully. You were right... "I won't stop you okay? Don't be mad..." (He lied he was going to make sure you never had the chance to sacrifice yourself again no matter what).

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Just as Shin Yoosung fired the bright beam, your body instinctively moved. "Joonghyuk! Stop staring like a deer in headlights!-" You grabbed Yoo Joonghyuk by the collar, throwing him back behind you as you took the hit.

"Keugh!-" You fell on your knees, coughing up blood nonstop. "A-Ah..no...[name]?..." Yoo Joonghyuk took fast, trembling steps as he caught your falling body.

"Heuk...it hurts...Joonghyuk it hurt so much!..." You cried, your tears mixing with your blood as it dripped down to the side of your face. "P-please don't regress...These new companions, don't abandon them please. I'll be okay.." You begged, grasping onto Yoo Joonghyuk's clothes weakly, before dropping limp, dead.

"Haah, Haah..." Yoo Joonghyuk breathed deeply. Why did he have to see you die again? His only lover in each regression, who cherished him deeply and believed him when he told them he was a regressor, and stayed by his side no matter what. "Why?...Why did you die for me?" Tears dripped down onto your face. The single fear Yoo Joonghyuk had every regression...your death.

-

You opened your eyes to darkness. 'I wonder if he stayed?' You pondered. He, your lover, the man who saved you from your eternal cure of sleep as a phoenix.

[You have died.]

Ah right, you were a phoenix.

[Revitalization count down has finished.]

Thankfully, the countdown ended, so you could return to your lover.

[The skill, Phoenix:Revive, is taking effect.]

-

Yoo Joonghyuk felt a burning pain in his hands as you were set ablaze. "No!" Yoo Joonghyuk screamed, were the gods not even allowing him to bury you properly? Kim Dokja had to hold Yoo Joonghyuk back as he thrashed around, continuously hurting the man, trying to reach his lover.

"[NAME]!" He shouted, then eyes widening as he stepped back. "[name]?..." Your clothes were a bit burned besides the fire resistant ones.

"I wonder if he stayed?..." You mumbled, looking around. You really hoped he didn't regress.

"Y-you're alive...H-how?" Joonghyuk stood still.

"I'm a phoenix, remember? I can come back to life." You smiled, tears dripping down your face. "I'm so happy you didn't regress this time."

His eyes widened in horror and regret. Does that mean..Every time you died and he had regressed, you came back to life moments later? No...no...how-how much time had you spent alone? How could he leave you?

Guilt crept into him. He took a shaky step towards you. "E-every time...you came back?.." His eyes widened, hands shaking as he reached out to hug you.

You nodded solemnly. "I'm afraid so." A bitter chuckle came from you lips. He spoke, "I-I'm sorry. I didn't mean to leave you, I-" You cut him off and hugged him as he sobbed into your shoulder.

"Its alright, my dear. Just don't do it again alright? Wait for me. I don't want to be alone."

"Alright." He whispered.

[harley-style]

imagine 999th regression being the canon beginning of orv. imagine yjh dying. and then regressing. but kim dokja and the rest of the others are there. technically speaking, they CAN clear the scenarios without yjh, but kim dokja is least happy about it.

but what can he do? 999!yjh is as sacrificial as he is. so of course, he dies, bc dokja's too slow.

so what happens is everyone moves on. the world moves on. kdj has to also, because life has always been particularly shitty to him. life on earth was hell but twsa was his silver lining. in this brand new universe worldline, his light dies, but he still has his family.

losing yjh takes a toll on them. kdj is their heart, but yjh is equally so. they grow weary, tired. they keep going, most of all kdj, because he doesn't have yjh's "second chances"

and oh, does kdj begin to hate that word. hate yjh's stigma. his sponsor.

through his grief, kdj becomes a lot less happy. he resembles his mother a lot more, in temperament. he sheds the white coat and dons yjh's black coat. he gets stronger. all of them do, because yjh isn't there to cover their asses anymore.

hsy, donning the white coat, the only one of them who remains optimistic about their chances (in her special hsy way), finds a way to break the narrative.

they become outer gods, much to SP's displeasure bc somehow he's lost control of everything and gdi kim dokja can you sit still for five minutes)

999!kimcom travels the worldlines to find their yjh and like. look. they find him. but they also find the most ancient dream.

yjh and kdj fight and my god its a beautiful disaster. hsy takes advantage of their monkey brains and steals MAD away, kdj is not pleased. yjh insists they let MAD live because he doesnt want kdj to die.

bitterly, kdj responds "you should have thought of that before you went and left us," with a wry smile, the fucking hypocrite. but well, its not like he's sacrificed himself in a while.

i dont really have anything more to add here this was just a "what if yjh succeeds regressing but the worldline is still intact bc kdj exists"

[kim-deadja]

[ Constellation “ Observer of Lifetimes” is looking in disgust at the anon h◼◼r◼]

[ One of their “eyes” has started to twitch]

[ Dear blocky anon , stop being such a piece of shit and stop terrorizing our dear reader you have no goddamn right to say all those things .

Yes I’m going to refer to you as blocky anon because I have not enough respect for you to even call you by your proper name.

He does things that you couldn’t even do if you tried , those self sacrificial tendencies? They’re blessing for other people because that proves that he cares about their companions so in return they form deep relationships and connections.

You are a disgrace , what did he ever do? What even are you? A monster who feeds on another’s feelings of vulnerability ?? Stop being such a piece of shit and recognize what Kim Dokja has gone through.

He may seem manipulative, but he isn’t , he lies to other so they can live , not him , he is not a hypocrite, well sometimes he is but who the fuck cares it’s for a good reason.

He is the Kim Dokja who has devoted himself to others , who is loyal to his friends , and who I would kill my self for so he could live a little longer .

He has been through too much to deal with your bullshit so stfu nobody wants to hear your jealousy.

He is willing to do so much for his companions, you have no right to criticize him when you wouldn’t even dare throw your own life on the line for another.

Everyone has self preservation instincts , but he throws them away in favor of keeping people alive , that don’t something you find in everyone , in fact quite the contrary , everyone would throw you just to save themselves.

You call him a hypocrite because he says that he isn’t a protagonist yet acts like one , well that’s his own opinion, he doesn’t think of himself as a protagonist, but everyone he saved does , because he is one . He has saved so many lives you have no idea what type of hell he’s gone through .

You dare bring up his trauma and flaunt it in-front of his face and push on his wounds , and you still hide behind that fucking anon disguise , seems sort of pathetic, no?

Get a grip and realize you have no right to say anything to him , he is someone who deserves the world yet chooses hell for others , you are someone who selfishly preys on another’s wounds just for entertainment.

You can’t bring up things of the past when you don’t know how much they hurt . You can’t bring up things that are clearly a soft spot and laugh at his demise . You are such a pathetic thing in this lifetime i wonder would anyone actually read your story? No .

Also , do you think you’re some sort of special entity or something? Using those black squares to fill up spots in words? If you’re trying to be one , you’re failing . Miserably . I wonder if your just using them to clean up gaps in words you can’t spell?

Kim Dokja is called the ugliest king , but the whole fandom can agree he isn’t . So if he’s the ugliest king , then what are you? A fucking roach? I think so .

Stop being such a sore loser that you couldn’t be as smart and loyal as him , and stop being such as piece of shit saying that he’s making his companions suffer , MF he might be terrorizing them by dying but without him they would’ve died by now .

get a grip and read the fucking book and understand instead of just picking up some lore from Reddit , like genuinely, stop being so stupid giving out incorrect information .

Oh and don’t even get me started on you . You . You’re such an ugly , pathetic, hateful, sore, resentful, terrible, horrible, ungrateful, crummy, cruel , disgusting , despicable person . I don’t think there’s a word in any language to describe your ugly disrespectful ass

Honestly instead of wasting your time trying to get Kim Dokja scared and vulnerable, how about you go buy a new life or personality ? Or wait you can’t , the soul will be so repulsed by you that it’ll try leave . But while you try , mind buying a dictionary to find a word that describes you! Oh wait , right , you can’t because you’re so stupid and pathetic, oh well might as well try!

It’ll be a good thing for you to finally go outside instead of being the depressed little pathetic loser you are huddled up in your room waiting for a reaction! And please do stop with the black squares , it’s just making me cringe thinking about you trying to be some special entity .

Ooh!! I have a great modifier for you! How about… “ The ugly lazy ass roach who’s disgusting as fuck and needs to fuck off to a dumpster.” That describes you perfectly!!!

And honestly , if you died I don’t think anyone would give a two fucks about you , it’s clear that you have no social life , no mother , no father , they all left you because they could t deal with your shitty ass attitude.

Like , the second you came out of the womb and cursed everyone with your scratchy , terrible voice your parents were contemplating about sending you to an orphanage. They only raised you because they felt pity for you but couldn’t take it anymore so they ran away from the pathetic thing that’s you.

Go die in a fire , or wait even better! Drown in an ocean or burn yourself into ashes or hop into a volcano or eat eaten by vultures! That way nobody will ever have to see your pathetic, useless, ugly body again!!! Though I feel bad for the vulture about consuming you.

Like who would want to eat your bones that reek of filth and pathetic life.

Like there’s a reason why nobody likes you and why your such a fucking pathetic excuse of a person , like I think you’re mother wanted to list you down as mistake for your name.

You reek of a pathetic 10 ten old who has no life , needs some help , perhaps therapy but probabaly not the therapist would leave in a heartbeat, maybe a psyche ward or solidarity confinement, it might help but probably not. That’s how hopeless you are.

Hmmmmm I wonder if a new word could be created that can describe you , honestly I think there could be , your just such a pathetic, disgusting, ignorant, arrogant person that a new word needs to be created to define you!! But probably not , I think someone would vomit just thinking about you.

You are the definition of “mistake” they created an eraser to try erase any evidence and existence of your life but they failed and died trying to, truly , could you ever be born??

Anyways have a terrible rest of your life you stupid pathetic motherfucker!!! I don’t regret anything!! ]

[ Constellation,” Observer of Lifetimes” is stunned by the language that was just spouted out , but agrees wholeheartedly]

… … …

*speechless & is lowkey afraid of this constellation (one of the eyes to be exact)*

[z-nightshade]

orv x aoo incorrect quotes pt.2 BC yeah.

Han Sooyoung: so... How long does the human body stay alive after decapitation?

Chopper: Decapitation is quickly fatal to humans and most animals. Unconsciousness occurs within seconds without circulating oxygenated blood. Cell death and irreversible brain damage occurs after 3–6 minutes with no oxygen, due to excitotoxicity.

Han Sooyoung: *Quickly scribbling out notes*

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Zoro: So they call you Demon King of Salvation, huh? But they call me the King of Hell, so doesn't that mean you're my subordinate? *Is secretly very curious as to why but has too much pride to ask*

Kim Dokja: You wish, algae boy. *Is also secretly very curious as to why and has too much pride to ask*

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Yoo Joonghyuk: *Is kind, cares about people, wants to save the world, wears a long billowing coat a cape!*

Luffy: OHMYGOD!! A REAL LIFE HERO WOWOWO JOIN MY CREW!!

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In addition, Yoo Joonghyuk being very giddy about being called bro by Franky but hiding it.

Kim Dokja and Han Sooyoung joining the Sunny D Cassandra fanclub book club and finding some very familiar stories being written out along with great original works.

Cass in the corner: this is so embarrassing wtfff >///<

Han Sooyoung: I'm surprised you didn't question me asking that

Chopper: *thinking about all the unhinged medical questions Cass has asked him in the past* It's not the weirdest question I've head

Cass: *watching these two idiots jump around asking each other what they want to know and face palming. They know that they'll have to be the one to explain for anything the get done* Why can't people just voice out their wants and desires?

(hypocrite)

Luffy about Yoo Joonghyuk: Wow!!!! Cass look!!! A real life hero!!!!

Cass: I know! Isn't he cool!

Yoo Joonghyuk: *brooding silently bc he doesn't know what to do in front of such open and genuine admiration*

Yoo Joonghyuk and Cass are both mentally melting into goo in the corner for very different reasons. It's just more obvious to tell that Cass is bc they look very dazed and flustered whenever someone compliments their writing

[rantdiscourse]

People used to call this one M/F ship (D*kS**) Yaoi and now Yuri bruh make up your fucking mind and stop being ashamed that your into a het (m/f) ship, get it together

And they focus on a big account calling their ship hetslop (when they've actually said much worse in other sites lmao) instead of acknowledging and accepting that some Han Sooyoung stans are extremely misogynistic when talking about Yoo Sangah (ON HER BIRTHDAY POSTS!) just cuz in their pea brains that Yoo Sangah is getting in the way of their hetslop

Also going into the funniest and most brain dead conclusions, putting words in other's month and thinking they're not in the wrong about their bullshit lmao

we have 2 types of D*kS** shippers; the homophobic dudebros and the misogynistic slackavists shojo heads

The first group is so common on Reddit and many have stated that they only ship DokSoo cuz it's straight and if Hsy was a man they would ship D*kS** which ew okay

The second group is so funny, frustrating and sad cuz they try to be so progressive that they end up shooting themselves in the foot, try using fiction fandom shipping as a tool for activism while (sometimes) slandering other female characters defeating their main point and goals.

Ending up just giving dudebros points to use for their campaign and "proof" why their homophobia is justified

The second group ends up feeding homophobia and promoting homophobic rhetoric and wow we loooovveeeee to see that 🙄

(And then we get the third secret one; the ones who keep to themselves and we don't see them being loudly annoying cuz they actually do shit instead of crying and whining)

It doesn't help that most of the second group are antis too but would say the most hypocritical shit like a mentally 30+ year old version of Han Sooyoung writing a novel for an abused and suicidal child Kim Dokja to save him; extending his life is sooooo romantic; erghhhh brother erghhhh gross

Like phrasing it into "Han Sooyoung wrote for Kim Dokja for 13 years that's true romantic" is taking out the facts and contexts in the novel itself, also it's not 1864/5 Han Sooyoung who wrote for the kid, it was 1863 Han Sooyoung, the one who barely knew Kim Dokja but saw an abused kid unable to get help and she could write a story to save him though (parallels with Kim Dokja's mother who wrote a book to save Kim Dokja but with the opposite effect) and the Han Sooyoung of the 1864/5th round did write but it was more of a group effort and project. Don't take away the efforts of the rest of KimCom too man. (I could make a whole analysis text with this in the future)

That's a fucking adult trying to save a child if it's romantic in nature then it'd be grooming

But it's cuz it's het/straight and older women can never be predatory so it's okay or something I guess

But the somewhat equivalent to this ship; SpOd and it's m/m is not okay, its actually pedo shit

Do they not realize the hypocrisy or is that just a block for them cuz they didn't actually read the novel or think at all

And of course they disregard any person who's a SpOd shipper's point of view cuz the ship makes them feel gross so it's an instant accusation of being [buzzword] instead of exercising the skill of media literacy and reading about a different perspective.

It's so disingenuous and gross.

I need these people to get their shit together.

[starlesswritings]

unfinished orv fic #2

it's really not the second but who's counting?

Joonghyuk had no idea if he was going to murder Kim Dokja or if he's going to murder him.

Ah, peace was never an option.

"Give me my phone back!" Dokja squeaked, limbs flailing as he tried to reach the phone that was in Joonghyuk's hand, far enough Kim Dokja could not reach.

"No."

Dokja's eyes got teary. "You don't understand! I need that!"

"You're just going to fawn over that fictional character like always," Joonghyuk snarled as he shoved his large hand in Dokja's face, effectively keeping him away in this fashion.

"The Secretive Plotter is amazing! He's so cool, and a lot better than you," Dokja yelled, furiously clawing in the air, hands and arms not long enough to get his mobile device. "Far more attractive."

Joonghyuk deadpanned, "He's just a blob of text on your screen." Was he really that unattractive? Everyone else seemed to think Joonghyuk was anything but ugly, however Dokja often said the opposite. It was ridiculous, that this one person was capable of burrowing underneath his skin in such an annoying manner. "Just words, nothing more."

Dokja looked offended. "He's more than just words, Joonghyuk! You wouldn't understand! He's a character! He's like a real person! You couldn't know. You don't love stories!"

It was true, Joonghyuk wasn't one for reading much. He found it too tiring and time consuming, which was hypocritical since he liked to game and that could easily take hours. "The Secretive Plotter sounds like an actual asshole," he muttered.

"You take that back!"

"You're not getting your phone back today. This is confiscated until further notice."

"You're not my parent nor the boss of me, give it!"

Joonghyuk stared sadly at the little child trying to crawl up his legs and arm, not amused in the slightest. "I might as well be, you fool," he seethed, keeping Kim Dokja at bay. "You have a smartphone addiction, which is unhealthy at your age. Go outside and breathe fresh air."

Kim Dokja screamed as if the words had literally burned him. "You... you suck!"

Yoo Joonghyuk was not paid enough to watch over this brat. "You tire me."

"I want my phone!"

"No."

Kim Dokja's eyes welled up with angry tears. Without saying another word, he stalked out of the living room into his bedroom, slamming the door shut. Had he been Joonghyuk's actual child, or sibling, he might have whacked him on the butt with a spatula or something similar, but Dokja was right. He was not his parent, and therefore, he simply sighed, setting the phone onto a high place where Dokja could not reach.

This hadn't been what he wanted.

The house phone rang, and he angrily picked up with a harsh, "What the fuck do you want?"

A calm voice over the phone sounded a bit scalded, and he nearly whacked himself on the head. "Is... is now a bad time to call?"

"Yes. I mean, no, not at all, Uriel. What do you need?"

"I just wanted to ask if you felt like coming out to lunch, but I guess that's out of the question —"

Joonghyuk would have normally said no, that he didn't want to go, that he should stay home with the little kid (brat), but he was tired. He just wanted a break. Still, he couldn't leave Kim Dokja. "Give me a few minutes."

"It was about time that you took that thing away, he's going to be blind before he's thirty if he keeps going like that," an acquaintance muttered.

"Michael!" Uriel cried, smacking him on the shoulder. "Little Dokja simply wants to be like other kids." Turning to Joonghyuk, she added, "Did you really have to take it away and ground him like that?"

"He's not grounded, I just took it because he was being..." Joonghyuk held his tongue before he said something he would regret later. Uriel might have looked innocent and unassuming, but that woman was terrifying. And, for reasons he didn't really understand, she seemed to adore Kim Dokja.

Sun Wukong laughed while Uriel looked ready to pommel the dark haired man into the ground. "Maknae is being difficult, eh? Well, he is at that age, you know. Children only think about two things."

"Relationships?" Uriel asked.

"Murder," Michael muttered, to which Gabriel smacked him on the head.

"Homicide?" The ABFD asked (no one could remember his name, not even ABFD himself, and he had gotten stuck with this stupid set of letters).

"How is that any different?!" Gabriel exclaimed.

Sun Wukong laughed nervously, tearing a hand through his golden hair. "I was going to say rebellion and getting older, but I suppose that all your suggestions do have merit."

Joonghyuk slammed his head into the table, not caring that he was getting looks. "I fucking hate kids."

Uriel gasped. "You love Yoo Mia, don't you?"

"She's my sister. I'm legally required to care for her. Kim Dokja, on the other hand, that stupid squid looking rude ass motherfucker," Joonghyuk snarled, but a new voice interrupted before he could finish what he had been planning to say.

"Kim Dokja is... what, exactly?"

The blood in Yoo Joonghyuk's body froze ice cold. The other adults at the table looked surprised, but Sun Wukong smiled broadly.

"Persephone! I knew you'd come."

He did? Joonghyuk would have to beat the crap out of that blond bastard later.

"Where is he? I thought I left him in your care, Yoo Joonghyuk."

He was going to die. He needed to bury himself out of this situation. He could dig up the ground with his spoon and make his way into the wild, never to be seen or heard from again. "About that..."

"Han Sooyoung is watching him, I don't really see what the problem is," Michael singsongs, looking every bit like a man Joonghyuk wanted to punch directly in the face. Uriel cast a worried glance for Joonghyuk as Persephone stiffened.

"Is this the sort of thing I pay you for?" she asked sweetly, tone barely masking the power and quite possible rage behind her voice.

He was screwed. Not even dying would save him now. "Uh..."

"Fortunately, I actually like Han Sooyoung a bit, so your life is not yet forfeit," Persephone went on seamlessly, and Yoo Joonghyuk resisted the urge to glare at her without restraint. She was playing with him, and he did not like it one bit. "But tell me, what has my adopted son done now?"

"He's being difficult."

Michael added, "He's just fawning over that dumb main character in his favorite novel."

Persephone's eyes glittered. "Ah, Ways To Survive in a Ruined World?"

Joonghyuk's eyes snapped to her, observing her with a strange look that was hard to describe. "You've read it?"

"Han Sooyoung has told me a bit about it. What's wrong with the novel? Don't you like it?"

There was something in her tone that made him feel uncomfortable. What was Han Sooyoung doing talking about Dokja's favorite novel with his adopted mom? "I haven't read it, nor do I feel like ever reading such garbage." He turned to look away. "It's rotting that pitiful child's brain."

Persephone laughed. "Oh, what I'd give for my husband to see the blindfold over your eyes right about now!"

"What's that supposed to mean?" Joonghyuk asked, eyes narrowing dangerously.

She let out a tight giggle. "Maybe you should read the novel and see, Yoo Joonghyuk."

Uriel seemed to know what she was talking about. Blood spurted from her nose, and Gabriel shrieked in distress. Michael whined over the fact that their table was getting stares for everyone being so weird. ABFD sent a manic death glare towards the onlookers, and had Joonghyuk been less confused, he probably would have done the same.

"I don't like reading," he deadpanned.

Persephone simply smiled. It was very unsettling. "Oh, who knows? You might end up really understanding this story, though?"

He had a headache. He did not want to deal with this shit right now. "What do you mean by that?"

"It means, that you should read the novel!" Sun Wukong barked loudly, laughing like a dying eel.

Yoo Joonghyuk did not want to read the stupid novel. However, he would have been a liar if he did not admit that Persephone had piqued his curiosity. There was clearly something about the novel that was worth looking into — particularly Yoo Joonghyuk. Something was calling to him from beyond his mortal plane of understanding.

"I'm not reading it," he announced, rising from the table as he donned his jacket and rose to leave.

Uriel giggled. "See you later, Joonghyuk!"

Ways to Survive in a Ruined World.

Joonghyuk stared at his phone as if it would bite him at any second. What a dumb title. What a dumb story. The Secret Plotter hadn't even been introduced for more than one chapter, and Joonghyuk already wanted to punch him in his supposedly good looking face.

Truly, the character was quite punchable. Infuriating. Joonghyuk was now slightly concerned about Kim Dokja's taste in characters he favored. Surely this scumbag was too much like a thug or a punk for Kim Dokja to enjoy reading about him?

Apparently not. The Secret Plotter had been Dokja's favorite character for the past year. Solid.

He could only handle reading ten chapters in one sitting before deciding that was definitely enough for the week.

[sm1l3b0t]

Orv ask game with a twist! (5) And (6) but also a personal question. What's your most KDJ moment while reading the series?

hello!!! ask game with a twist you say......

5. if you could ask the authors any question, what would you ask them?

id want to ask them what their plan for orv looked like when they first started writing it, and how that plan changed throughout publishing the chapters! so much of orv feels perfectly preplanned out and i want to know if they really knew how every part of orv was gonna go from the beginning, if they didn't how did they make such a coherent novel, whether there were any scenes where the characters/action just started running away from them, etc. i need to know their secrets for writing such a long and coherent book!

6. whats a headcanon i have that i absolutely believe is canon

i think kim dokja enjoys cooking and is pretty good at it! he didn't have a lot of money to buy ingredients very often, but i think considering how much he idolised yoo jonghyuk and how often in wos there were graphic descriptions of yoo jonghyuk cooking delicious meals specifically designed to make kim dokja hungry, i think he did try and cook when he could - and he was good! i believe he can follow a recipe book, and thats all you really need anyway. also, post epilogue yoo jonghyuk teaches him the secret ways of his super good cooking and kim dokja goes from pretty good to damn good. the kids always fight over who gets to eat his food :)

personal question!!! very exciting. whats my most kim dokja moment reading orv..........there are a lot of moments so its possible this one is just the most fresh in my brain right now but im gonna pick this one

obviously i relate a lot to all of kim dokjas moments because he was designed in a lab to be incredibly relatable to whoever read orv. but i especially relate to this moment. again, obviously i rely heavily on fiction to escape the struggles of my day to day life and kim dokjas obsession with ways of survival is deeply relatable (i am in the orv fandom, kim dokja is my favourite character, we know, etc). 'i just feel steady when i look at this' is how i would describe my relationship to reading on the whole and orv especially, so that bit of dialogue especially.

what makes this moment more 'woah im literally kim dokja' than any of the other moments when he talks about needing to read to feel safe/steady/hope/etc is the hypocrisy of 'fuck the constellations for surviving off of others stories! not me tho im different than yall <3'. cause like. its orv doing a fun little meta tap dance. kim dokja hates the constellations and is one. you hate the constellations and are one. its a very intense feeling of. it may be too early for me to fully articulate this. we are all readers we are all reading a story to survive and we are all being fucking hypocrites about it! very fun to me didnt so much make me relate to kim dokja as punched me in the face and went YOU ARE KIM DOKJA

ok this was really long im so sorry BUT thank you for the ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love answering these so much :)) <3

[myfckingnameisnuwanda]

Late Night Chatting (Joongdok)

No Star System AU where Yoo Joonghyuk, professional videogamer, and Kim Dokja, videogame developer that knows a lot of bugs, talk through a videogame's DMs.

[>:(]

[Stop frowning! You're going to get wrinkles!]

[i wont]

Those simple words made Kim Dokja's heart ache. He knew yoohyukk_ said that, not to contradict Kim Dokja, but because he knew that he would never live long enough for the lines to etch themselves into his face.

His sickness would stop him before he could.

[It's okay, yoohyukk-ah. I'll make sure you live a long, happy life. Long enough for you to get old and wrinkled!]

He was already gathering the money. He just hoped he would have enough in time.

[i thought you didnt want me to get wrinkles?] Yoo Joonghyuk said, a small smile on his lips [arent you being a bit hypocritical rn?]

[I'm not! I just meant that you weren't supposed to get wrinkles right now, especially not from frowning... Buuuuut it wouldn't be too terrible if you got wrinkles from laughing or smiling too much.] Kim Dokja typed seriously [yoohyukk-ah, I want to make you so happy that it makes a permanent mark on your face.]

Yoo Joonghyuk freezed for a while after that. ReaderKim51 was, surely, trying to kill him sooner.

[tls12lessthan3]

the hypocrisy!! kim dokja spends the first act of orv more or less wrestling with these exact sentiments - struggling to see the people around him as real people, distancing himself from them, unconsciously putting himself on a pedestal as the only 'reader' of this world. and yet he gets angry at yoo joonghyuk for doing the same thing! and part of it is because he's seen the road that lies before yoo joonghyuk if he continues to think like this and it is not a pretty one, but the more interesting part is the one that gets shown below:

kim dokja is so deeply attached to yoo joonghyuk! he sees yoo joonghyuk as his friend, little brother, father, guiding light - all of these very intense roles that he's projected onto yoo joonghyuk's character. so of course he's upset when yoo joonghyuk sees himself as alone, when from kim dokja's perspective he's spent 13 years with the guy. the parasociality goes crazy. but again here he's being hypocritical, because while here he is challenging yoo joonghyuk's loneliness and attempting to declare himself a companion, he refuses to offer yoo joonghyuk the same courtesy. kim dokja does NOT view yoo joonghyuk as a person at this point, let alone an actual friend - its not possible when he's so attached to the character he's really talking to here, not the person. it's why in my previous post he gets frustrated when yoo joonghyuk is 'failing as a protagonist' and trying to regress. he might have more sympathy for a person trying to give up, but his protagonist? whos entire character is based around keeping going? unforgiveable. and yet! again! he fails to see the hypocrisy in these moments! kim dokja voice you are not alone because i am here and how DARE you imply otherwise or try and leave me. however i am alone despite you being here and it is perfectly acceptable for me to leave later because of it. #normal.

[clopuffs]

The difference between orv web novel vs webtoon tho…

I compared chapter 33 in webnovel to ep 34 in webtoon cuz same events

They really cut off the part Kim dokja mentioned the side character that died yesterday and straight up said “Yoo Joonghyuk killed him. He could’ve saved him.”

I’m like “ !!” YOU DID NOT SAID THAT WEBTOON KIM DOKJA

Then web novel Kim dokja reflects upon himself and thought how he is a hypocrite and thought “But hypocrites speak plausible words.”

From what I can understand, I feel like I’m seeing Kim Dokja from an outsider’s pov in webtoon and I see his thought bubbles but it feels like this is how the other characters seen him. While reading orv webtoon, it feels like you got ur heart hit from the sheer shock of Kim Dokja’s thoughts or something

[walmart-miku]

ORV rereading liveblog chapters: 27-35 (episode 7-8)

:D DAD DOKJA DAD DOKJA DAD DOKJA DAD DOK

ITS THE FIRST "COMPANIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH" OF ORV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAHHHHHHHHHH (chapter 28 btw ;))

He's so insufferable (affectionate)

Don't worry Kim Dokja give it a ■■■■■■ of ■■■■■■■■ and Yoo Joonghyuk will be tenderly cradling you in his arms as ■■■ ■■■ (happens ■■■■■ if I'm remembering right) give it a ■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■■ and Yoo Joonghyuk will be ■■■■■■■■■■ you to keep you from ■■■■■■■ yourself :D (comment has been filtered due to spoilers!!!)

Kim Dokja you fucking hypocrite

Because he loves you. Because he loves them. Because this is the happiest Kim Dokja has likely been in his 28 years of existence so far. Because while he might talk big about efficiency and the best route his best route is the one where no one dies. Because he sees himself in you. Because he read a novel for 10 years about someone that tried and failed and tried again to save the world and its people. Because he can.

BUT YOU ARE KIM DOKJA YOU ARE EVERYTHING TO THIS LITTLE BOY RIGHT NOW YOU ARE LEE GILYOUNG'S WHOLE WORLD RIGHT NOW. HE WOULD DIE FOR YOU (not that you'd let him) HE WOULD KILL FOR YOU (not that Jung Heewon would let him) THIS. JUST THIS INTERACTION. ITS JUST SO. AAAUUUGGGGHHHHHHH

"I wouldn't let Lee Gilyoung die. At least, not today." KIM DOKJA I THINK YOU MEAN NOT EVER

BECAUSE ITS ■■■ THE ■■■■■ ■■■■!!!!!! BECAUSE AAHHHHHHHH (comment has been filtered due to spoilers!!!)

Fucking emotionally constipated husbands. Poor Lee Gilyoung, has to be handed off to his other dad :(

Kim "I'm just a normal guy" Dokja my ass (also he cares so much about them I'm not ok)

Yoo Joonghyuk out here trying to get custody of Lee Gilyoung

Kim Dokja your story is so interesting that orv has a cult following

Ah *sniffles* bbys first bounty :') idk how many times this happens but it's a lot

Of course Kim Dokja is crazy how to do you think he got this far???? No sane person survives the scenarios and no sane person cones out of ORV sane

Average ORV reader

Yknow you love him Kim Dokja

Ding ding ding! Kim Dokja's sunfish regression depression radar is going off!!! Time for him to go save a sunfish :D

[pttucker]

SCREW YOU SECRETIVE PLOTTER! GIVE BACK OUR DOKJA! 😡

Some small, wishful part of me is hoping that it's a big ruse or a big misunderstanding or something. I'm really trying to recall if he ever outright said that Dokja had to die or if Joonghyuk just assumed that was the end goal of egging him on. Because he specifically took him saying that he needed him for something when he could have killed him right then and there.

Granted, that something may not be good, but it'd be a little strange for him to want Dokja dead if he had a scheme in mind that required him alive. Unless something that's happened since their big fight has changed his plans?

Oh man though, Secretive Plotter calling Joonghyuk out for going against his ideals, and Joonghyuk himself knowing that he's being a hypocrite and not following his own vow to kill all Constellations. He gets so upset when Secretive Plotter points out that if he succeeds in his goal of destroying the Star Stream, Dokja will die.

It's actually kind of ironic because Dokja himself has had the goal of destroying all of these terrible Constellations and likely would have joined Joonghyuk in destroying the Star Stream, even if it meant that he would die in the end (because it's Dokja), except he has also realized that maybe various Constellations aren't actually bad (and atm he finally wants to live). Like, he's super hard on himself and blames himself for being no different from all the Constellations he hates, but that's not how he sees others (now) and that's not how Joonghyuk sees him.

Even if Secretive Plotter actually made a really interesting point that I'd never thought of before...and don't necessarily agree with, but a point nonetheless. No wonder Joonghyuk was so angry at Dokja when he found out about TWSA if he construes him reading the novel as being no different from being one of those despised Constellations, just watching on for their own enjoyment. Or in Dokja's case, for his own self-preservation, which Secretive Plotter equates to Constellations consuming another's life to extend their own.

And they even mentioned the comments! Which is something I thought only Dokja would ever mention, especially in regards to him potentially making things worse and just meddling in the world in general...sort of like how a Constellation does by creating scenarios and bounties and sponsoring Incarnations and so on...

Of course, I don't think this really translates 1:1 because there's a huge difference between watching a real person suffer for your enjoyment and doing nothing and watching a character that you would never think is a real person suffer, not to mention the fact that you don't actually have any way of helping them. Dokja could try with his comments but ultimately what happens in TWSA wasn't his decision and, again, none of it was real from his perspective so why would he even try?

And when it suddenly was real he started doing everything in his power to make sure his companions, both "real" and "not", got to see their happy endings.

So yeah, I love that Joonghyuk may have been upset before but now that he's cooled down he absolutely sees that Dokja is not one of the Constellations that he swore to bring down with the Star Stream, and honestly I wonder if even Secretive Plotter sees him as that, or if it was just him trying to goad Joonghyuk into giving up on him again.

Sorry Secretive Plotter, Joonghyuk may not be able to verbalize his feelings for Dokja, even to himself, but he at least knows he's never abandoning him again.

All that said... I guess now we start the epic rescue mission?

Oh, and now Joonghyuk gets to explain to everyone exactly what (and who) happened to their precious Kim Dokja. That'll be fun.

[z-nightshade]

Hmmmm I just saw your new post about ORV x aoo

You are correct, Cass would guilt them all into physical affection once they were confident enough not to fuck everything up. Luffy would do so subconsciously. Even Usopp would start seeking out physical affection once he's sure enough that they won't stab him for it.

Your honour, they are all touch-starved children!

Also, while Cass' actions might not be a wake up call for Kim Dokja, a stray comment on them would.

Han Sooyoung: Are you sure they're not your secret love-child Kim Dokja?

Kim Dokja: Who- Cassandra?! What are you talking about??????

Yoo Joonghyuk: Han Sooyoung is unfortunately correct Kim Dokja. You and Cass are both prophetic, hypocritical, closed off and self-sacrificial beyond belief.

Kim Dokja: *rethinking his entire existence*

Also some headcanons about names!! (Unfortunately only the East Blue crew for now)

Dokja calls Cass "Cassandra" because he doesn't feel close enough to Cass until Arabasta or a bit after. (He doesn't let himself get too close, Kim Dokja is known to antagonize those most like him Anna Croft and Kim Namwoon being the first examples off the top of my head)

Han Sooyoung tends to call Cass by stupid nicknames like Cassie or Sunny D (the drink). I feel like Han Sooyoung would know about American soda brands and know Sunny D is just that and hold it over Cass' head.

Yoo Joonghyuk I believe would almost immediately take to calling Cass, well Cass. It's the name everyone else uses and their full name just doesn't feel right to him. But when he is angry at them for putting themselves in danger they definitely get called names. "Idiot" and "brat" being at the top of that list.

Cass would use all their full names at the beginning, until they warm up to each other and use their first names. The chronological order in which this happens is: Yoo Joonghyuk, Han Sooyoung and lastly Kim Dokja

Luffy would definitely have stupid nicknames for them, like he does for almost every adult so far in the anime. Kim Dokja is the "Ugly demon guy", Yoo Joonghyuk is "Hero man" and Han Sooyoung would be "Midget"

(fun fact, I'm the same height as Han Sooyoung, so I'm also bullying myself here)

Kim Dokja, as we know, calls Zoro "Algae boy" meaning Zoro is part of the sea-life nickname club. He also calls Nami his business partner and Luffy "Captain" until he finally warms up to the whole situation.

Usopp and Zoro sometimes call Han Sooyoung a witch and Sanji always beats their ass up for it. Zoro also calls Kim Dokja "plain face" and once he gains his "King of Hell" moniker, Zoro calls him his subordinate.

Sanji of course calls Han Sooyoung "Sooyoung-swan" in more unserious situations but calls her "Sooyoung-san". He also calls Yoo Joonghyuk "Sword-for-brains" (affectionate).

Joonghyuk calls them mostly by their roles, but in a proud big brother way that no one gets until they get to know him a bit better.

Usopp and Nami of course calls them monsters because of their immense strength.

I imagine Luffy is very Luffy about physical affection. That is to say, he just launched himself at the three and wraps around them when he feels like it. Usopp, after watching Luffy and Cass gets hugs starts asking for them himself. Cass is the most subtle at the begining, but once they get comfortable they will follow Luffy's lead in just hugging people (minus the launching)

Kim Dokja gets confronted with the fact Cass is just like him for real and has an entire crisis about it

(On Cass's end, they can see the more superficial similarities but hold firm that they are no where near as bad. They've never planned their own death before, after all)

As for names, Kim Dokja definitely takes the longest to get to know Cass (you are so right, he would have such a hard time getting close bc of how similar the two can be. Unfortunately for him, Cass already adores him and has Luffy on their side so we know where that will end up) so he definitely calls them Cassandra or perhaps even full names them until he gets over it. Cass is displeased but mostly understanding

I think Han Sooyoung would settle on Sunny D as a nickname because Cassie has already been taken by Talia and Unwin and she likes being original. Also, it would just be funny

Yoo Joonghyuk calling Cass 'brat' because he's worried has made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. It would also make Cass feel warm and fuzzy when they realize why he calls them that

Cass definitely uses their names but I can also see them uses fandom nicknames for the trio when feeling particularly playful. Primarily it's stuff like Sunfish and Squid and the such (they definetly call Joongdok King Yaoi the first and King Yaoi the second at least once for the bit)

I also love all the different nicknames the crew would come up with for the disaster trio. It would be so fun