#just a couple of stream specific thangs

[cartarg]

cooking jermama + darren

[muffinsandstardust]

i saw no one talking about this which, ya know it's not super important lore but IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME!! tina and foolish FINALLY talked :D stream title: 😨i get stuff done😨, timestamp: 7:18:20-7:21:45, streamed October 18th

transcript:

tina: no i don't, speaking of which i'm really sorry i was so mad at you that one time. i'm really bad at like speaking out my feelings. foolish: oh. oh man ok. no yeah i can tell, you just kind of just blurted-it out-there. tina: i didn't know when to bring it up. foolish: well i still don't even know what- what was the problem? tina: um. .... it's a little embarrassing. and nonsensical. foolish: well-up! that's fine! you know it's a nonsensical island; i'll hear you out. tina: ok. i was was really upset, that you, didn't let me help you arrest somebody. foolish: ohhh. well- tina: and it made me really sad- that it felt like you really trusted me for a really good second there and then you- .. didn't anymore. foolish: it's not that i didn't- tina: like i was strung along! foolish: what. tina: ya know? foolish: ohhh. listen! it was just like- it was very busy heat-of-the-moment-kind-of-thang and then i know a couple other people showed up so i was like "oh i guess the more the merrier..." it was kind of like one of those.... ... uh. tina: i'm not upset about it. foolish: oh. well-! tina (crosstalk): but i was. foolish (cross talk): -listen! i feel like if anything you should think of it as a like- like a first test, ya know? tina: what was my grade? foolish: uhhh i-would-say-passing. tina: yea- uh. i don't think so. foolish: nono listen. i think you're thinking about it all wrongly, it wasn't- it wasn't exactly.. about what you were doing, it's just- what you did. you-know-what-i'm-saying-kiddo? tina: ki-kiddo? (disbelieving uncomfortable huff of laughter) like.. uhm. i- foolish: (starts laughing) tina: (unintelligible) ... uhm. ye-yeah... y-you- sure. foolish (stops laughing): it wasn't-! i guess to be more specifically- it really wasn't like- ha- what you were doing.. it was more how you responded to what was said and what, was, then, done, and how the response, to what, then was done, afterwards. tina: .. ok- foolish: more-tests-to-follow. tina: but like after that, i was upset. foolish: uhhmm. and you know what? that's ok. tina: it's not. it-it was abit irrational! foolish (cross talk): oh. tina (crosstalk): but-! foolish: i-would-say-the-irrational-part-was-like- being mad and then not saying, what-was-then-mad-for.. i feel like that was the- tina (crosstalk): how do you- how do you expect me to tel-! ok listen i'm just one of those people. i like, to know, exactly what i wanna say before i say it. and i know- i want to uhm. uh-completely-access how i'm feeling before-i-spill-it-out-there! ya know? .. i hate to misinform you about how i genuinely feel- i-i hate to, misrepresent my emotions. foolish: hmmmm. you know what i say tina? tina: and- IF YOU KEEP FOLLOWING ME, i can't do that! foolish: wait when-did-i-follow-you. tina: you just kept spawning in random places!! foolish: oh well. i'm a bit exuberant. tina: you- are everywhere. foolish: yep.(fake southern accent) i am the eyes and the ears. tina: i guess that's why you make a great cop. (amused huff-hum)

[psychewritesbs]

different anon here but i came across your evil post when i was perusing the tag — i loved seeing your thoughts as someone in the psychology field! i think you only watched the first season (based on the comment of watching 13 eps in 3 days), but if you were to continue watching seasons two and three (and four this summer!) i think you would find that the framing of the catholic church does get a little less "good guys"-y. this is probably in part due to the shift from being a cbs air-on-tv show with season 1, to a paramount+ online streaming show in seasons 2+. it's not a massive difference, to be fair, but they def start discussing some discriminatory aspects of the church, esp in regards to race & a bit in relation to sexuality and views on other religions. there is actually a very interesting plotline in season 3 regarding the catholic church that i would love to see your thoughts on, should you keep watching!

HOLA different anon. THANKS FOR THE ASK!!!! I love nerding out with others about psych. It's my thang.

Ok so, I just finished season 2 and these are my thoughts under el cut'o:

First I want to get this out of the way.

The Leland storyline... you know, where he gets to worm his way into everything that is convenient for the plot? I'm so over him.

I just want to punch him. Mrs. O'Brien and Thomas from Downton Abbey are far better at being cliché villains.

I love cliché machiuvelically tacky evil villains, but I have high standards because of Mexican novelas.

No one can ever trump Soraya Montenegro at being fabulously tacky evil.

Anyways, your comment totally reminded me about how in s1 they address the issue with children in the church and its stance on homophobia. So I love that they continue the theme with the exploration of how the church is racist, and my least favorite--sexist.

I have yet to see beyond the first couple of episodes in season 3, but I can appreciate that the church is framed as not such a good guy after all.

It's just that even if Evil is framing the church in not such a positive light, Evil still frames the Catholic God as "good", and the Catholic Devil as "evil".

At least from what I've seen... perhaps there's more surprises in s3 regarding that idea--the opening has been awfully similar to Westworld's opening since s1 so I get the sense the producers/writers are interested in delivering a similar feast for brainiac types like myself.

Um... ok so... everything comes back to Jujutsu Kaisen 😂.

Feel free to skip this section for more thoughts about the show.

Good vs. Evil

When I said that I preferred morally gray stories, I was specifically thinking about a liveblog post I had written about one of the chapters in the manga Jujutsu Kaisen. I'm not sure if the anon who recommended I watch Evil was thinking along the same lines, or if anon has read my jjk nerderies, but jjk puts a nice twist on the good vs. evil trope that Evil explores.

The mangaka, Gege Akutami, introduced a little symbol that I traced back to William Blake who had taken inspiration from Milton's "Paradise Lost" in his own understanding of the question of good vs. evil.

I haven't looked too deeply into either of their work, so read this with a grain of salt since I also can't confirm the accuracy of what I've read about them online, but I understand they both considered themselves to be Christian men who did not necessarily agree with the traditional interpretation to the problem of good vs. evil.

Regardless of the differences between Christianity and Catholicism, my understanding is that Blake saw "evil" as instinct free from reason, and "good" as reason (instinct may or may not be the right word).

Along the same lines, you have Jung's definition of libido.

Again, it's been years since I've read Jung's collected works, but if I remember correctly, the way Jung spoke of libido was as if it were psychic energy. In other words, unlike Freud, Jung did not necessarily see libido strictly as sexual desire, but rather our aliveness, our will, our desires, our instincts, etc.

Our neuroses, Jung thought, were often the cause of conflicts in the flow of said energy, like say, curbing your desires with reason.

From this perspective "evil" is not necessarily, you know... stereotypical selfish villain who is evil for the sake of evil evil...

... but rather the expression of libido unchecked by reason for self-serving purposes.

This all relates to jjk because jjk explores the idea that the stronger the ego sense of self, the stronger the character, which inevitably means that the character in question is selfish af and has no regard for others.

This is where it gets complicated because... how to say... is it truly evil for Kristen to have killed that serial killer dude when she was doing it to protect herself and her family?

I don't have the answer to it. All I can say is that Kristen had an impulse and acted on it without applying much reason outside of "I am doing it to protect my daughters and I will be careful not to incriminate his wife".

The show, however, explains this away as demonic possession (?) which doesn't sit right with me because it reduces her impulse to something "dark" and "undesirable" that only God (reason) can heal.

But like... reason devoid of instinct is basically artificial intelligence. In the end, you need them both. That is why people like Jung and Blake and even Buddhism advocate for a marriage of opposites, or walking a middle path.

It's really complicated and I feel like I am oversimplifying the whole thing lol. It's like Kant's trolley problem.

Maybe you have some insight about it or some nuance I may be missing that you'd like to share.

Anyways... it is the IRS episode that most felt like what good vs evil is from this Depth Psych perspective. And it kind of sucks because it only got such a brief mention with the Satanist t-shirt guy saying that he likes to do what pleases him as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

So my over-thinking brain can't get over the fact that Evil still frames the "devil" and "evil" as inherently bad. It reduces the concepts to black and white terminology when there is a lot of nuance to be had.

Evil

That out of the way... I was honestly getting bored with s2, ESPECIALLY with Leland, but the way it ended was so powerful. It's like they were saving the best for last.

Between Kristen's emotional confession and how s3 begins, I think I'm going to keep watching, just probably won't be as invested.

By the way, I LOVE Nun Andrea. What a fun and relatable character.

Ok, that's that. Thanks for reaching out! Looking forward to hearing from you again.

[kamrynoncam-blog]

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