#juice: infodumping about football

[daisey14]

she has had enough of juice’s shenanigans

[polybiusplayer]

The sillies are talking and to each other about many many things!!

Most of my art has been just quick traditional doodles since I’ve been so busy, so I decided to colour this one for y’all

Teehoo!

[wander-wren]

i started 20020 today and i'm like....3 chapters in? i forget already. my main takeaways so far:

17776 had a cooler opening/first chapter. simply can never be topped. so even though 20020 is in the exact style as most of 17776, it feels a touch less creative, structure/design wise

i think i liked the colored text better than the highlighted text but whatevs, i'll survive

so far, while 17776 felt very much like an introduction to this world and a philosophy lesson, 20020 feels like an excuse to just dick around with the setting and the characters. which i'm very in favor of, don't get me wrong, i just think its funny

upon saying that....that setup isn't too dissimilar to the concept of juice watching and learning football for millenia, analyzing it, etc, and now turning and using those experiences to just make a silly (stupid) game

i am once again asking: Jon Bois, Where The Fuck Do You Come Up With This Shit

i do love that it's very juice-centric because i love juice. truly one of the characters of all time. i want to be his best friend and listen to him infodump about weird football forever

[thevalleyoftriumph]

i love them,

[quizzzically]

all of us listening to juice infodump about football for a solid ten minutes

[autisticheadcanons]

I think JUICE from 17776 is autistic! Their special interest is football and they love to talk about it, especially with Nine, since they don't get as grumpy about some games as Ten and they let them infodump

[rescue-ram]

Thoughts on TTC and 17776, part 3

There is also a tonal resonance between 17776 and TTC. Neither are satires, exactly, but are very... maybe tongue in cheek is the word I’m looking for? On the one hand, Tim Tebow is very sympathetically drawn in TTC, and it has a warm tone overall- but it’s also saying that this bizarro land is the world in which Tim Tebow makes sense as quarterback, not the real world. But I found TTC to be the sadder piece in the end.

17776 begins by unsettling you, by showing you this insane world and giving you very little information in bursts, and then ends with a massive infodump. I am not normally one to enjoy infodumps, but I felt like it really worked in 17776. Witholding the information at first kept the pace going and built tension, and then releasing it all at once at the end was soothing and reassuring and brought things to an end. Now we, too, know what the world’s about, and there’s nothing left to wonder about but what kind of football is up next.

(Also, I don’t want to say I called it, but as I was reading I was like “OK, either something insanely dark happened and all of the kids are dead, or they just grew up until they were about 25 or so, whenever you stop growing and start aging, and just stopped.”)

The ultimate feeling of 17776 is one of togetherness. We’re all hurtling through the void and staring into nothingness with a precarious uncertainty lurking, but ultimately, we’re all in this together. We don’t know for certain that 9 will wake up again, or what the world will look like when they do, but we trust that 10 and Juice are their with them and will look out for them. The whole human race has come together, even the guy hiding alone in cave for centuries eventually makes a real human connection. We’re all on the same team.

But TTC ends very poignantly, even bittersweetly. Tim Tebow is isolated from his teammates and from his community. His life’s passion is dying, and there is nothing he can do to save it, and worse, he knows there’s nothing else. He, and he alone (apart from a small group he has little contact with), knows there’s nothing left to discover or invent, that this is it, that even football has been “solved.” There is no endless game- he destroys the ball and ends the era. It’s over, he saw it happen, he was a part of its death. In the real world, Tim Tebow left football, but in TTC, football leaves Tim Tebow.

[polybiusplayer]

i am once again thinking about ninejuice (for the first time in a whole month wow)

thats all! have a nice rest of your day

ME TOO OML!!

Oh boy I’m gonna take this opportunity to rant about them.

Nine Juice rant below, read at your own risk.

I’m thinking about them so often…. ITS LIKE!!! I can totally understand people seeing them as only platonic!! And I’ve always actually felt kinda nervous to ship them for some reason… the 17776 enjoyers haven’t been much to do shipping, especially since romance is not really the point of the story, at all. but I just really believe they have a bond that just, is a lot.

There is a level of understanding and compassion that Juice shows to Nine in his own ways, he knows exactly how to help Nine cope after the intermission, he knows what they’re thinking when their communications fuck up. (Nine was indeed cussing him out, they said “fuck you.”) He is teasing as always, but not hesitant to reassure them afterwards.

Nine is very observant. They make note of Juices usage of grammar, how he capitalizes thing that are important to him. I can’t remember exactly which chapter that’s in, but I’m like 100% sure Nine pointed this out. Obviously, Nines name is almost always capitalized . This is a notable exception

Has he EVER used this many exclamation points?!

I also love the way the infodump to each other. Ten by this point has heard Juices rants a billion times before, she loves him, but is sick of them! Of course he sees no problem in that. But then suddenly there’s a new listener who is intensely eager and interested in what he has to say! It feels special, because Nine never seems to get bored of it. They love to hear him talk, about anything really, but especially what he’s passionate about. -

Which is mostly football. Football is how he processes the world. With sports and all the things that come with it he was able to come to terms with reality. He looks at it through such a unique lense in order to make sense of it all. Even his own football game is not just insane rules strung together all willy nilly, it’s truly a work of art with a deeper meaning. It’s like he’s painting with the fields, you know?

Nine understands this, and if they don’t, they WANT to. In my mind, Juices voice and rambles about lunchables or whatever start off confusing to them, but once they understand where it comes from and why and what Juice is trying to attempt with all this, they understand a lot.

Nine copes with history, they look into the past for comfort and familiarity. they feel so intensely behind, at first it started as a way to catch up and feel up to date with their friends, but then they discovered that the history of this world was just sort of a safe space for them. Juice loves to hear Nine talk about stuff even he never knew about. Nine is quite the researcher, and is always able to pull up SOMETHING. He is too, but not to this level. They share facts and information back and forth, intently listening to each other and trying to understand. Always.

Juice knows what Nines going through, it’s quite obvious with what he says here.

They ground each other in this reality, they give each other a person to talk about football with. Someone to try and not think about things too hard with. And then when things DO get hard? And the thoughts are too much? They’ll always be there for each other to help.

An underrated aspect about Juices character is how intelligent he is. SURE, he spends a lot of time joking around, that’s just his thing!!! But he is by no means stupid, he’s a little silly, but so so much more than that. He also cares, a lot! He is lonely, he loves his friends so dearly although he doesn’t express it nearly as much as Nine.

Nine is also a lot more than their troubles. A lot of their arc has to do with coming to terms with the state of existence, but they’re also incredibly compassionate and loving. SO SO loving. They’re blindly trusting, showing no hesitation with their love for everyone. They’re observant, and also a bit of a jokerster! They got that from Juice.

I don’t know where I’m going with this, I just really like the two of them, I love their dynamic. I feel like if they could, they would hug for a real long time. Unfortunately they’re way too far apart and made of nuts and bolts. But they still love each other, nothing changes that, not in a billion years