#joshu higashikata part 9 theory

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Been super dead cause A. Exams B. Exams and C. I read the entirety of Jojolion and just started the Jojolands and I tell you this as someone who dislikes most of Joshu as a character:

I am so sad that Joshu was not the owner of the diamond, I know it was a joke theory but still. It would have been so funny. Like imagine if we saw fucking JOSHU HIGASHIKATA as a functioning grown adult, extra points if he had some off screen character development. Hilarious.

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JoJolion’s main villain? Will it be female?

Okay, so whenever I find a discussion about JJL main villain, who will it be? And with the thirst from fans who wanted the first female main villain in JJBA, a popular theory emerged that Higashikata Caato would become the main villain. Yeah, so far… she is really popular, lots of hints point towards her, I can see some reasons of why:

Her motivation, she is currently in conflict with her ex-husband, Norisuke IV. Their conflicting views of how they have to sacrifice to save their son from the curse. Her sacrifice made her imprisoned for 15 years and separated from her children (how sad when her three children did not know her as their mother). Now, she returns and demands a payback.

Her persumably dominance over her son, Jobin. Jobin who previously was hyped as potential main villain is now overshadowed by his mother. Especially, it was pretty much confirmed that Jobin isn't the mastermind by Dolomite and Rai. “Jobin sweetie, remember that I went to jail to protect you, to save you, all for your sake. Imagine she says, ”I can see that Jobin must feel very indebted and grateful to her, that’s why he looks very respectful to her.

Her first impression of Gappy!Josuke was that she doesn't like him, regards him as freeloader (a potential enemy?)

Her Stand being a space-manipulating related type, often being regarded in the same boat with D4C (though I see that it’s more similar to Enigma currently).

Despite being 52 and a granny, she looks attractive for no reason, Araki’s habit of creating his main villains. Look how he changed fat!Valentine into the hot 48 years old president. Caato could be the antithesis of Lisa Lisa. Both are hot milfs in 50s and supportive to their sons, only the side is reversed.

Advanced points:

Norisuke IV he is one of the people closest to Josuke but the one who is likely most despised by Caato. I can see the potential conflict between Josuke and Caato or even her conflict with her other children.

The race to obtain Locacaca fruit, Caato’s side (Tsurugi, Jobin and Mitsuba) are fighting to cure Tsurugi. Josuke is fighting to restore himself to normal and save Holy.

Now, enter my personal opinion...

Actually, I like Caato as villain, or even major villain. But to be honest, though I also crave for the first female main villain, I don’t really like the concept of Caato as the one. Reasons:

Her conflict/motivation is too domestic, a household disputes; an ex-wife who wants to take revenge on and punish her ex-husband for the sacrifice and misery that she have to endured and demands payback (she openly asked for half of the household fortune). Basically, she wants to take back what's rightfully hers,  probably dethrone the patriarch to dominate the family business and fortune. This sounds like a plot taken out from Korean/telenovela family drama (with revenge as its main theme) only that it involves Stand battle, could be good for side plot but not for main plot. I wish the Rokakaka fruit, Rock humans, scientist and the curse will be a greater focus than this family drama bullsh*t.

Her background itself is too ordinary, a former housewife with no visible past career or other interesting things, unless she had other past background that is still hidden, maybe a past career that hasn't been revealed yet, ala Izumi Curtis. Though she could be a counterpart for part 4 main villain, being ordinary salary man.

Her flashback and motivation in the past, in my opinion, is too sympathetic (something that Araki claimed to avoid whenever he writes a main villain). To save her son from her curse, rather than sacrificing her life, she preferred to sacrifice the life of other (stranger). To be honest, I prefer her method than Norisuke IV, therefore Jobin (and her other children) do not need to lose a mother figure (which ironically happened). This is a husband’s common mistake; assuming that his wife is not different with his mother, hoping that his wife will do the same thing with what his mother has done. Basically, a mom who did sacrificing her own contented life for the sake of her child, imprisoned for 15 years away from her children, she had just been released and is still reorganizing her life. Unlike other JoJo main villains, in which their trouble pasts had become a past completely (that happened years ago) as their current life in the present storyline is much better but Caato still had to face her ex-husband who seemed to abandon her and had to try re-bond her relationship with her children again (idk why but her story kinda reminds me of Cookie Lyon from Empire). She just barely regains her life back.

Her personality that is too obvious for a villain. Being very two-faced and deceptive, showing her true calculating personality to those she deeply trusts yet truly capable of however seems to intimidate and inspire fear, but in public, she comes off as charismatic and loving person. It’s like “Oh looks… she is evil… she must be the main villain!!” I mean, just as she first appeared (which is not long ago), she already acted menacing, intimidating and declaring her objectives. Whereas JJBA main villains in general were acting pretty casual.

Most likely, Araki did the Principal and The Pauper to Norisuke IV’s character. From the fun & loving dad and a supportive father figure for Josuke to be an asshole husband who is disregarding his wife for the sacrifice she had made and even refused to pay her alimony. Now I am confused whether I should cheer for Norisuke IV (Josuke’s side) or Caato. This will potentially rival my disappointment over Xiao Fan ruining Zhao Yun and Xiao Meng’s dynamic. >:(

She doesn’t have any moment that can be mocked over and meme’d. Also, all of her appearance so far is like a boss. If she constantly stays like this till the end, I’m afraid that she would potentially ruin the funny dynamic between The Main Villains gang in fandom!!!

I don’t need another mom archetype in JJBA main villains gang, we already have Kira as the mom.

Her determination to live free from the men (read: husband)’s control and decision yet seems to be in control of her son (and possibly grandson) makes her sound like feminazi. I hope I’m wrong though, hopefully Araki doesn’t write her to be main villain only to fulfill the quota (due to the lack of female main villains) or as political correctness. I just want my first female main villain to be just a character of her own without being the feminist advertisement (though that’s what you likely will get from a character with just housewife as background). I have faith in Araki though because in my opinion he was quite successful as he wrote Jolyne, she is very likeable for the only female JoJo as she is simply being who she is without promoting feminism.

A mother controlling her children (in this case, Jobin). Though this is personal, I’m never into this kind of villain. I think it is very cheap, there is a teach that children must respect their mother who had nurtured and raised them and one mom decided to take this as an advantage to control her children. Most likely, Caato could be the main cause of Jobin's authoritarian attitude to his son, Tsurugi.

Mom: “Okay son, remember that I had carried you in my womb and suffer for 9 months for it, I had painful labor to bear you, I had taken care of you when you were a helpless baby, teaching you everything and saved your life from the curse, even saved you from your crime, by letting myself go to jail and lost my 15 years of life… all because I love you. Now, do me a favor and never question it!” Son: “No, sorry mom.” Mom: “(How dare you!) Why not?” Son: “Because I never ask to be born (especially by you).” (I don’t think Jobin would ever say that, probably Joshu).

So, if Caato turns out to be the main villain, she could be my least favorite main villain despite I am being a female myself. Though it's still too early to judge, there is still a hope that she will deliver something more interesting than those 5 points above. One of them is the theory and possibility that she is the mysterious head doctor or the Rock human’s leader.

My other personal wish is that Holy Kira is the actual main villain. This is purely crack theory and something that is even less likely than Caato, but I think Holy Kira will deliver something more interesting than Caato:

Her more interesting background as an Ophthalmologist, emergency doctor, and guest professor. A woman, a mother and A PROFESSOR!!!

Her more direct connection with Rokakaka fruit, it is revealed that Holy created the hidden Rokakaka lab at T.G University Hospital, she was researching the fruit! Therefore, A SCIENTIST!!! There is a possibility that she was part of the Rokakaka Research Organization��(though probably she just did the research independently).

She is a direct descendant of Johnny Joestar, therefore… a Joestar! Imagine being a Joestar and a main villain at the same time!! Okay, despite being a Joestar, Holy is not a JoJo. But this will be hilariously the greatest irony ever, a main villain is descended from a JoJo.

Her, tricking Josuke, the main protagonist (who is also part of her son) to cure her is something far more brilliant than a mom straightly controlling her son through intimidation. Perhaps her illness is part of her master plan (“計画通り/keikaku doori!!”ala Light Yagami or Aizen), it’ll be a greater troll than Joseph trolling Jotaro as reincarnated DIO XD.

Holy Kira might be the antithesis of Holy Kujo, the purest and most loving milf ever in JJBA to be the worst and ambitious mom.

Holy Kira might fit the theme of the villain being the opposite of the protagonist, what is the opposite between Josuke and Holy? One being the guy stitched together from two other guys and one being a woman who has a lot of missing parts (in this case, her brain).

She already had her possibly funny/crazy moment when she was trying to use a nurse like a pair of boots and a magazine XD.

Personally, I think that Holy has better design than Caato. While Caato looks like the older version of Jolyne, her messy appearance looks like a middle-aged woman who couldn’t let go her teenage years (that’s why she can’t beat Lisa Lisa as a hot milf in 50s imo, her appearance is tidier and more elegant). Look at Holy Kira, she is trendy and the dark cape looks fabulous for a villain’s design.

Holy may possess a more interesting Stand, I’m sure she is a Stand user if she can see Paisley Park and knows about Killer Queen. Please, Araki… show me what her Stand is capable of!!

If Caato stays the same until the end of the story, she will be the most deviated villain in JJBA history besides being female, Araki might breaks the pattern with her. But isn’t using Holy Kira as main villain would be a greater pattern breakers??

Besides Holy Kira, I found another crack yet brilliant theory of Yasuho being actual main villain without her realizing it, played it like an alter ego ala Doppio. Disclaimer, it is not written by me. While this is very interesting (and I support this theory tbh), this could be another case of The Principal and The Pauper in Yasuho’s character.

Hopefully, Caato is just a red herring for the actual main villain (as she is too… obviousss), but the possibility of Holy as the main villain is even smaller. That’s why I keep my expectation of evil!Holy so low, she could be just a straight SBR counterpart for Holy Kujo (the purest mom in critical condition that needs to be cured asap) with slightly bigger role, nothing more. Perhaps, the main villain could even be neither Caato nor Holy.

Now, let’s countdown the villains we had so far and how Caato or Holy will fill it up:

A vampire (and an ex-lawyer student)

A Pillar Man, boss of his own kind

A vampire… again (at least he is hundred years old now)

A salary man and serial killer

A mafia boss

A priest (and the vampire’s lover best friend)

A president of alt!US

A former housewife and former inmate / A mad scientist and a Joestar / A Rock human and head doctor (another mad scientist), assuming the third possibility of main villain is a guy / The main villain is a concept (not a person), the Locacaca fruit itself (I love this one tbh)

Pick your choice!!

Summary: I welcome Caato as villain, even as major villain. She is the first female villain who has her own motivation without being a mere pawn for the main villain. She deserves a big role, but not the biggest role. Gappy!Josuke deserves a greater villain to fight than a greedy and vengeful milf who is wronged (by her husband) in the past, someone who hasn't even reached the top (and her own happiness). The mystery of Locacaca’s fruit, the origin of the Higashikata’s curse;the rock disease, what’s up with the Rock humans and the Wall Eyes should be prioritized over the game of throne inheritance fight drama of the Higashikata family’s property and power. To be honest, I still prefer the main villain to be a man… again rather than Caato (even if it is Jobin).

TL;DR Caato will still be my most favorite female villain but potentially becomes my least favorite main villain in JJBA.

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Caato Higashikata, 36 chapters (9 volumes) MIA and still overhyped

“Ah shit, here we go again.”

Sister post: Caato Higashikata, 32 chapters (8 volumes) MIA and still overhyped

Sorry to finally break my promise about not roasting Caato’s hype once again. Despite her total absence, the hype still continues thanks to “the idea of Caato as a rock-woman getting popular once again.”

This also brings me back to my other post about “JoJolion: The Main Villain and The Red Herrings”. Those Caatofags once thought that Jobin was just a red herring, now they also think that Tooru is a red herring as well. They still believe that Caato is behind Damokan Group's shady business (which I am trying to fix by tying her to Rai's past instead).

With her very limited appearance and information (thanks for being 36 chapters MIA), actually the points that resulted in her hype as the main villain have not changed at all. I have also explained those several times in my previous posts until I'm getting tired by them.

”Caato is behind Damokan group.”

Caato’s first appearance was after the end of Damokan Group which led to “Caato as the mastermind behind the cooperation of Higashikata and Damokan group.”

“Caato’s Stand is similar to D4C.”

Caato used her Stand in the form of French playing cards and displayed space manipulation in its ability which led to “Caato’s Stand is D4C 2.0 because the main villains’ ability in SBR verse has space manipulation as a theme in contrast to the OG verse which has time manipulation as the theme.”

Before we talk about Caato’s Stand, let’s focus on this premise first:

because the main villains’ ability in SBR verse has space manipulation as a theme in contrast to the OG verse which has time manipulation as the theme

To be honest, this argument alone, has it been proven?? Let’s review the main villains’ ability in OG verse, from part 1 to part 6:

Dio Brando (part 1): vampirism through the stone mask, Jonathan Joestar countered it using hamon, a technique that is deadly to supernatural beings. This part has nothing to do with time manipulation.

Kars & The Pillar Men (part 2): one of those supernatural and immortal beings, The Pillar Men. They’re above those vampires but susceptible to sunlight, they eat vampires (& humans too). They created the stone masks for that purpose as well. Kars was looking for a way to become immune to the sunlight, he needed Red Stone Aja (which was in Lisa Lisa’s possession atm) to achieve that. He finally became the ultimate being and got a whole ‘nother level of superhuman abilities but time manipulation. Joseph Joestar defeated him using hamon as well plus his wits. This part has nothing to do with time manipulation.

DIO (part 3): entered the Stand era. DIO has his vampirism and 「The World」, a Stand with “time stop” ability. Kujo Jotaro countered it using his Stand: 「Star Platinum」which actually has the same ability (time stop). This is the first part that has something to do with time manipulation.

Kira Yoshikage (part 4): his Stand, 「Killer Queen」did not have “time manipulation” ability, rather it has explosion-based ability until his Stand had evolved and developed new ability: 「Killer Queen: Bites The Dust」with “time loop” ability. This part has something to do with time manipulation only during the climax (later part of the story).

Diavolo (part 5): 「King Crimson」since the beginning has “time skip” ability, with 「Epitaph」as a complement which has the ability of clairvoyance. Besides “time manipulation” (which this part definitely has), this part also has a very deep "fate" theme. Giorno Giovanna countered his villain using his ultra hax 「Gold Experience Requiem」which reset the fate to zero. I personally prefer to say that the major Stands in this part have "fate manipulation" ability: 「King Crimson」, 「Silver Chariot Requiem」, and「Gold Experience Requiem」.

Enrico Pucci (part 6): his Stand is kinda similar to part 4, he started with 「Whitesnake」which has “steal no dignity” ability (memories & Stands), then evolved into 「C-Moon」with “gravity manipulation” ability and then 「Made In Heaven」which finally has “time acceleration” ability. Therefore this part also has something to do with time manipulation only during the climax (later part of the story). However, this part also has “fate/destiny” theme through MIH and its ending as well.

Conclusion: the “time manipulation” in OG verse is only valid from part 3 and 6, and it’s not just as simple as “the main villains have time manipulation Stands” as we can see in the case of Kira (part 4) and Pucci (part 6). Broadly speaking, I actually see the "fate/destiny" theme in each part.

Now let’s review the main villain’s ability in SBR verse (which unfortunately there is only one at the moment), Funny Valentine and his 「D4C」 (part 7):

「D4C」in the beginning has the ability of “dimensional hoop”, it allows different parallel worlds/dimensions to co-exist at the same time and/or in the same place. It also allows its user to visit these parallel worlds/dimensions and interact with them. The condition to go to the other dimensions is by putting himself or sending the others to be caught between two objects. 

Caato’s Stand which has similar mechanism with D4C (caught between two objects) is the reason that makes those Caatofags believe that her Stand is D4C 2.0.

Later, Valentine had his Stand evolved into 「D4C: Love Train」, which has “misfortune redirection” ability. Once again, it’s related to “fate/destiny” theme.

I have explained about how Caato’s Stand actually works, not by pure speculation, but with her existing feats. I have also discussed the potential ability it might have without exaggerating it:

Caato’s Stand and its mechanism so far

Here’s what a Caatofag said:

Even they are not sure yet that “space-dimensional manipulation” will be the theme for the main villains in SBR verse. Then, why are they so sure that Caato could be the main villain with her so called “space-dimensional” Stand?

I have also compared her Stand with the Stands mentioned by him/her above: 「Cream」, 「Sticky Fingers」, 「The Hand」, 「Enigma」and「Man in the Mirror」, they also have similar “space-dimensional manipulation” abilities. 「Cream」is the only “space-dimensional” Stand in part 3 and this doesn't mean anything. 「The World」is not the only Stand with “time manipulation” ability because 「Star Platinum」exists yet it is still the Stand of the main villain (DIO). What about 「Bites The Dust」and 「Made In Heaven」when「Star Platinum: The World」 also exists in those parts?

Like I said before, I see the "fate/destiny" theme in every JoJo parts more than the “time” and “space”. Let’s talk about Tooru whom those Caatofags consider him less prominent than her. His Stand 「Wonder of U」 since the beginning has the “misfortune redirection” ability which reminds me of 「D4C: Love Train」.

Wouldn't that make a better parallel than Caato and her D4C 2.0? Let me drop this once again:

In short:

Caato’s Stand has “space-dimensional manipulation” ability: confirmed

The main villains in SBR verse will have “space-dimensional” ability as theme: unconfirmed

Every main villains since part 3 to part 7 have humanoid Stands: confirmed

Caato’s Stand has humanoid form: unconfirmed

”Caato is a female rock-human.”

Which I already explained mostly in my posts:

The Wildest Theories of Caato

Is Caato a Rock-Woman?

That’s why I consider her youthful look to be just a fan-service to us (readers) rather than have any significance to the plot.

Yeah, and I wonder why all of sudden the information we got in chapter 99 related to Caato instead of Tooru whom obviously we saw during the end of the narrative about rock-humans?

Besides, things that are still not answered yet:

Is there any difference from rock-women when they are carrying rock-babies (sired by rock-men) and babies sired by human males?

What kinds of babies result from reproduction between human males and rock-women? A human babies, rock-babies or crossbreeds?

What are the characteristics of the crossbreeds that can distinguish them from carbon-based humans and silicon-based rock-humans?

Because there is still a zero hint about Caato being a rock-woman: we saw her pregnant like any normal human female (irl), we saw that she has affection to her children (like any mother would), her youthful look has no relevance to the plot other than a fan-service to us.

Still, Caatofags move on to the aesthetic point by saying that her hair resembles a wasp abdomen which coincidentally, the wasps were involved in rock-humans’ growth in chapter 99. Caatofags literally said that “Caato’s hair which resembles wasp abdomen has something to do with the growth of the rock-humans.” They even go so far as to argue that the “abdomen” is a part of the body that reflects “motherhood”, the wasps in chapter 99 have played the role of as “surrogate mom” to the rock-babies because their mother had little affection to them and abandoned them. Caato is a mother, this has something to do with her.

Though it sounds very deep after being put together, let me show you how “aesthetic meaning” hardly gives a weight to your theory (than actual narration): click.

Just like in my previous post, Caatofags also linked the allegation of her as a rock-woman with Higashikata's family curse. Thanks to (still a) speculation of Caato as rock-woman, they also suggested that her children: Jobin, Hato, Joshu and Daiya are half rock-humans as well (crossbreeds). What is the proof? Only Jobin who had been affected by the rock-disease in the past? It has long been told that it only affected to the first born (Norisuke IV, Jobin and Tsurugi) and some women (Rina and Holy) whom I guess were the first born as well.

Then Caatofags claim that it is the work of genetic in which children born later acquired fewer genes and become recessive, that’s why Hato, Joshu and Daiya are unaffected. Is this how genetic really works? Why Alexei who was born later was the one who got hemophilia? It has nothing to do with being born sooner or later.

Till their excuse is: “it’s a fiction, just suspend your disbelief!” Even it is a fiction, we still don’t have the basis of how the gene of rock-humans’ crossbreed actually works. How can I suspend my disbelief to a fictional fact that doesn’t even exist?

By the way, I have a feeling that the genetics in rock-disease will probably work more similar to the genetics in Joestar's birthmark.

“The crossbreeding between a rock-human & regular human must have something to do with Higashikata's family curse.”

I also believe in this, but must this also involve Caato? Rock-disease has been a thing ever since little Norisuke IV got it in the past, and perhaps his father too. It's been said that Rina (Johnny’s wife) was affected too, which means that the family curse existed long before Norisuke IV was born. Therefore those Caatofags argue that Norisuke IV is a descendant of rock-human as well. Yeah, I also suspect that Norisuke I's wife, Teru could be a rock-woman. Still, it has nothing to do with Caato.

And if we truly need a full-blooded rock-human to be physically present for the finale, it doesn't have to be Caato, it can be anyone, it can be Tooru.

In short:

Caato has a youthful look like Lisa Lisa: unconfirmed

The rock-disease has been around since the early generation of Higashikata: confirmed by Rina

Jobin, Hato, Joshu and Daiya are half rock-humans: unconfirmed

Norisuke IV is a descendant of rock-human: unconfirmed

”Caato as a rock-human has connection to Locacaca.”

There is still missing link between Caato and the Locacaca, which serves as the main focus in JoJolion. Caatofags also try to make it up using (still) speculations they have created and tied them together.

First, by connecting her to the illicit business conducted by Damokan Group. Where is the hint that Caato is indeed connected with Damokan Group? It’s still Zero. Her “15 years contribution” claim? There is absolutely no indication that her statement could be linked to Damokan Group or even any rock-humans.

I think the main key here is Jobin, he was the one who had been secretly associated with Damokan Group. After that, we see that he's still in touch with Caato (as she contacted Jobin the first time she got released). Jobin is treated by Caatofags like an intermediary between Caato and Damokan Group, is that correct? It’s possible but there is still no proof at all. It's just like Jobin has two acquaintances, his two acquaintances do not necessarily know each other. Think like this:

Big Smoke is associated with the Grove Street Families, he also works with Tenpenny. Does that mean GSF and Tenpenny have mutual relationship? Nope, they were even enemies.

- GTA San Andreas

Note: Big Smoke in this example is Jobin, not Caato.

We still need further hint that Caato does have a relationship with rock-humans gang apart from using Jobin as a sole reason.

By believing Caato to be a rock-woman (which is still unproven), Caatofags are already looking for a reason why she might have used the Locacaca at some point. They make a question of how Caato hid her “hibernation period” which led them to believe that she consumed Locacaca to “stay awake”.

Rock-humans’ hibernation happens at different times depending on the individual and will last anywhere from 30 to 90 days but after waking up, a rock-human won't sleep again for at least two months.

These three premises are also being used as backups for the theory:

Caato was able to perform the penal hard labor for 15 years and became the model prisoner. (chapter 55 and chapter 64)

“If I lose focus for even a moment, my skin becomes hard like rock and I sleep and sleep…” said Aishō (chapter 42)

Yotsuyu was able to cure the dog Iwasuke of the rock-disease by feeding it a piece of a Locacaca. (chapter 32)

Then, he has drawn the conclusion that “Caato used Locacaca so as not to lose focus and break her rock body”, it is the case of “fallacy of exclusive premises” to be honest. Two premises cannot give a logical foundation for a conclusion, as they will invariably be independent statements that cannot be directly related.

Why? Because the fact that Caato became a model prisoner may have nothing to do with the mechanism of rock-humans’ body or her being a rock-woman, every normal humans could be model prisoners like Caato, this statement should have weakened the possibility of her being a rock-woman. Ironically, this conflicting fact is instead being used to create the excuse that as a rock-human (which is still unconfirmed), Caato needs Locacaca to achieve this.

Aishō described the consequences as rock-humans if they ignore the hibernation period, Yotsuyu was able to cure the dog Iwasuke of the rock-disease by feeding it a piece of a Locacaca. These two premises seem to be related in which we can conclude that: "the skin that has become hard like rock can be healed by Locacaca".

However, they missed the story in chapter 42 where Aishō had to leave his then girlfriend for several months because of his hibernation as a rock-human. If Locacaca can restore rock-like hardened skin, why didn't Aishō use it? As a member of Damokan Group, wasn't it very easy for him to get the fruit? Why should he bother being honest with her if he had a big chance of hiding that fact.

It seemed that whoever made this theory had completely failed to understand the abilities of the Locacaca fruit or purposely ignored certain plots.

But Aishō was just a mere underling to the group whereas Caato “might be” the mastermind!? The idea of her as the mastermind itself is still unconfirmed theory. Again, we go in circles.

Also, if she really needed to hide it, it means she had been doing it since she first married to Norisuke IV (at least). That also means that Locacaca had been in her possession since that. She should have known that Locacaca could be used for equivalent exchange.

Little Jobin was affected by his rock-disease, why didn’t Caato used Locacaca? She just used equivalent exchange on Higashikata’s land, just like her mother-in-law, Tomoko in the past. We didn’t see any Locacaca in her possession there. Yeah, Locacaca alone is not effective solution to cure him, but why didn't she try to combine it with the land's equivalent exchange ability?

If she is indeed a rock-woman, shouldn't a rock-human know better of how Locacaca works than any regular human? Because like Urban Guerilla had said that “Locacaca works better to the rock-humans,” isn't Jobin also part of rock-human (as Caatofags would like to believe)? It might work better to him.

Besides, since when did Caato start hiding her identity as a rock-woman? Only 15 years during her incarceration? I don’t think so, because Norisuke IV only found out about rock-humans' existence after his fight with Josuke against Yotsuyu in chapter 32.

Therefore logically Caato had also hidden her status as rock-woman from her family, meaning that she used the Locacaca to fight off her hibernation way before 15 years ago. So logically, Locacaca should had been in Caato's possession since her marriage to Norisuke IV, including during the flashback in chapter 64.

In short, chapter 32, chapter 42 and chapter 64 should contradict this theory instead!

At this point, I feel bad for those Caatofags. Well, let me give them a little hope. Remember my joke post about the growth of Higashikata children?

Childhood in Higashikata, growth problem or possible retcon age?

What if the growth problem of Higashikata children in their childhood was related to their (supposedly) rock-humans’ gene? I was thinking that it was caused by the rock-disease, but why the slow growth also affected little Hato? However, this theory also has a bit little flaw since baby Daiya looked quite normal as human baby (unlike that tiny rock-baby). Unless, you argue again that crossbreed babies work like that (in which again… it’s still unconfirmed).

A Caatofag’s delusion

Yeah, she is clearly opposing her ex-husband (and regarded Josuke as a freeloader), but how can calling Jobin because she was suspecting Norisuke IV turned into “outstanding manipulation” that led up to the most recent event? You credited her too much LOL! She was just calling her son because she noticed her ex-husband’s habit which she knows because she had lived with him for a long time (a less impressive ability compared to Terunosuke’s). She didn't even know what he was hiding. She used her deductive skill that Josuke was about meeting someone because she saw him bringing a phone, it was a smart thing but not that extraordinary.

Her being the mastermind orchestrating anything is still your imagination, because any reason you have that she got in touch with rock-humans & Locacaca through Damo/Jobin… and that she is a rock-woman have not been proven nor hinted at all. Besides, Dolomité and Poor Tom did not care about Jobin’s safety, which contradicts the notion of them being her underlings. Would Caato let Jobin be in danger? What does her backstory in chapter 64 mean to you? Caato called Jobin because she supported him, not because she manipulated him. I think you read her character wrong.

At this point, Tooru more likely indirectly lead The Head Doctor gang than Caato.

It is your opinion that is silly for me. Did you just say that Caato’s 「unnamed French playing cards D4C wannabe Stand」 is superior to 「Wonder of U」?

You brought up 「Cream」, 「Green Day」, 「Underworld」and 「Civil War」… why did you also mention 「C-Moon」? It’s Pucci the main villain’s Stand for God’s sake!

I don’t think 「Cream」 is comparable to 「Wonder of U」because when 「Cream」was menacing to Avdol, Polnareff and Iggy, 「WOU」has affected almost all parties involved in the struggle of Locacaca in JJL. Then, how can we expect 「Cream」 to be main villain Stand? Jotaro's party had been pursuing DIO as their main objective since the beginning, we all know that DIO is the main villain and his Stand is not 「Cream」. Vanilla Ice is not DIO, therefore he is not the main villain.

The same thing also applies to 「Green Day」, part 5 since the beginning is about uncovering the mafia boss’ identity. Cioccolata as GD’s user was clearly not the main villain, since he had been introduced as Unita Speciale’s member and got ordered by The Boss. 「Underworld」 as well, with how Donatello was introduced, of course he wouldn't have a super big role in part 6.

Do you seriously believe that Tooru, who is clearly a rock-human, who has “The Head Doctor Akefu” as his Stand, which said Stand posed as the leader of his gang and also has prominent position in T.G.U Hospital is a mere pawn to Higashikata Caato who still has zero hint that she is connected to the rock-humans and Locacaca?

I am also tired with the "thematically relevance" that you cherish so much. I might as well advise you to study the basic of writing a fiction and how “story progression” works. How is Tooru not thematically tied in the core idea of part 8? He is a rock-human, he wants Locacaca (the center in this part), and it’s heavily implied that he has mother issue (chapter 99).

You got it wrong honey, if Caato is the main villain because of that, may as well have Kira Holy Joestar as the main protagonist instead of Josuke.

And you got it right, kudos for you.

The order of character introductions has nothing to do in determining the main villain, stupid. It is their role, how they’re related to the main story, their motivation, their actions that affect the protagonist, etc.

Again, you used the argument that Caato was in contact with Damo through Jobin, the thing that I have explained so many times how far-fetched the theory is because it still lacks concrete proof.

Jobin worked with Dolomité and Poor Tom, but both ended up betraying him and the later almost killing him for a branch. If Caato was orchestrating this event, why would AGAIN she let Jobin in near death situation? Mind you it was not just Jobin, but his son (her grandson) and his siblings (aka her other children) were affected by Ozon Baby as well.

If you argue that Caato lacks affection to her children because she is a rock-woman, reread her backstory in chapter 64! Why would she be willing to let a child die and go to prison for the sake of Jobin if she doesn't have any love to him?

Besides, the Ozon Baby arc would only make Caato look like an idiot mastermind if she was truly behind it.

At least you treated it as “opinion” rather forced “fact”, I may as well respect your opinion. But I hope your opinion is wrong, because that would really make a bad writing which I pray Araki won’t do.

Why Tooru works better than Caato

It is sad that Caatofags underplay Tooru’s Stand 「Wonder of U」 for the sake of Caato’s unnamed Stand which has only one trait in common with D4C (caught-in-between) and mostly works like 「Enigma」.

A main villain is the source or main threat to a conflict, if we go by that definition the Head Doctor (or Tooru if he's the actual mastermind) could be considered the main antagonist of part 8. It's similar to what Araki did in SBR. There's a main villain (Valentine/HD) and a sorta rival/villain guy (Diego/Jobin).

It is sad that despite Head Doctor Akefu aka 「Wonder of U」has been confirmed as Tooru’s Stand (or at least he has connection to it), despite being confirmed as a rock-human as well, despite his knowledge about the Saint, which makes him closer to be the true mastermind behind Head Doctor gang and the conspiracy of New Locacaca, Caatofags underplay him for the sake of Caato’s still non-existent connection to all of this, just because of being Jobin’s mom, being a call-back to Lisa Lisa (and Jolyne) and being menacing to her ex-husband.

TL;DR Please, Caatofags… just stop! All the hype you've done for Caato at this point has only been damaging her character. The act of over-glorifying her only makes her existing solid role feel worthless. Not only that, you’re also underplaying the other characters’ role & purpose numerous times for the sake of glorifying her.

I'm not saying that the notion of wanting Caato as the main villain is absolutely wrong, but all these assumptions and made up theories, why can’t you just wait until more stuff actually happens to her?!