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The thing about male SA survivors in fiction analysis is it's like doing janga puzzle. It's honestly shocking how often I see a depiction of a male sexual abuse survivor in fiction. Only to read interviews and realize the creators didn't even realize what they wrote or shot was sexual assault of a man.
And there's always the question is it subtle and quiet because the writers just didn't realize. Or is it an honest attempt at a male pov since violated men and teenage boys do tend to keep it secret and often don't have the vocabulary or knowledge to combat or vocalize what was done to them fully. Even when they do, what can they do about it?
So I guess I tend to rely more on interpretation and subtext with these characters. Then with female SA surviviors because its usually what I have to go on. And just picking through the details with a fine tooth comb.
Nightmare on Elm street tends to flip the script in terms of female badasses and Freddy getting some boy damsels to terrorize. But I noticed Freddy's creeping on the boys just doesn't get talked about as much. So I just have to talk about this.
Joey from Dream warriors tends to get focus from directors and fans all the commentary is about the underage actor making out with the hot adult women.
But i don't see a lot of focus on the whole Freddy decieves and sexually assaults Joey thing.
In his failed attempt at murder involves Freddy disguising himself as an attractive nurse. And he then in the female persona makes out with Joey for quite a while.
Then he tangles his tounge in Joey's mouth and uses it to tie him to the bed while quipping. " What's the matter Joey feeling touge tied?"
Then he opens a fiery pit under him leaving the kid to slowly bake alive while leaving him as bait for the others.
If you watch that scene knowing its Freddy the whole time. The sexual predator reading of his character becomes very heavy. He tricks a teenage boy into kissing him. Uses a pun usually used to context of someone being akward around their crush. Then ties him to an actual bed with the tounge from his mouth.
Even though he wants to kill the kid. Its very sexually charged.
There's also an element of Joey being mute due to trauma as a result of Freddy invading his nightmares. Given the nature of Freddy's role within those nightmares. It gives off the vibe that Joey is an abuse victim who has been silenced by his abuser. Who continues to torment him.
Which is why is kinda annoys me when fans complain about Joey's power being lame. Yes he screams and shatters glass, but that is the point.
Though out the movie kids repeatedly scream for Freddy. They are his helpless so its all they can do.
Then Joey who's been so terrorized by Freddy he cann't even scream the whole movie. Transforms what should be a helpless gesture into actual power.
Joey screams and he shatters the glass of Freddy's dream world. saving himself and his friends, because survivors need to be allowed to scream. Its not always the gesture of helplessness sometimes it can be a release. He's not the action hero or the badass. Nancy and Kristen have that role. He is the damsel the others have to save. But he's the first to metaphorically break the silence and fracture Freddy's world.
By the end of the movie, Joey is talking. Since he has found his voice. Thanks to the support from other survivors. In a world that never believed him.
Which sadly brings me to the Dream Master. I also do not like this movie. No anger toward anyone who does. I would find it the weakest in the franchise. I even perfer Freddy vs Jason at least that though bad was fun.
the Dream Warriors are brought back then divided and I have a distaste for horror movies to bring back beloved characters. Just to murder them in a way that adds nothing to the story. But at least Kristen and Kincade got to go out with some dignity intact. (Even though I hate the concept of them dying at Freddy's hand).
But anyway lets unpack even though I doubt the director was thinking beyond an excuse to have a naked blond women on screen. Its basically a rehash of the scene from Dream Warriors.
Freddy turns himself into a naked blond women in Joey's water bed.
Lures him close grabs him and pulls him though it
Then mocks " How are you enjoying your wet dream Joey!" Then drowns him.
Once again we have the targeting of the teen boy though his sex fantasy. Accompanied by mocking him though sexual dialog. Also this moment just looks weirdly intimate from Freddy's angle. Right before he kills Joey.
So its basically a rehash of the scene from Dream Warriors. But it undercuts the whole point of it.
This scene took away Joey's power from the previous movie and Because the director never saw him as anything.
Because Joey wasn't a badass male lead. He was part of a group of warriors and was the one who broke the silence. He has his voice back but the narrative won't let him use it. So his pedo abuser kills him and then he is forgotten.
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ELM STREET WIKI
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A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors
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INFORMATION
RELEASED
February 27, 1987
WRITER(S)
Wes Craven
Bruce Wagner
Frank Darabont
Chuck Russell
DIRECTOR(S)
Chuck Russell
PRODUCER(S)
Robert Shaye
STARRING
Robert Englund
Heather Langenkamp
Patricia Arquette
Ken Sagoes
Rodney Eastman
Jennifer Rubin
Ira Heiden
RUNTIME
96 minutes
BUDGET
$5,000,000
GROSS
USA $44,793,222
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For other projects of the same name, see A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (disambiguation).
A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors is a 1987 horror-fantasy film, and the sequel to A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge.
It is the third film in the A Nightmare on Elm Street film series.
The film received mixed to positive reviews. It was directed by Chuck Russell, written by original creator Wes Craven and co-written by Bruce Wagner, and starred Craig Wasson, Heather Langenkamp, Robert Englund, and Patricia Arquette in her first role.
Plot
Kristen Parker is in her room.
First she tears open a bag of Gold Medal flour. Then she pours to flour into a bowl. She adds liquid and stirs the mixture with a wooden spoon. She then pours the mixture into another bowl.
She cuts out pieces of newspapers with a pair of scissors.
It is revealed that she is making a model of the Elm Street House.
Kristen nearly falls asleep, so she turns up the volume on her cassette player.
She eats a spoonfull of ground Maxwell House coffee and drinks a gulp of Diet Coke.
Elaine Parker walks into the room and pushes the stop button on Kristen's cassette player.
Elaine says the music could have woken up the entire neighborhood.
A guest asks Elaine where she keeps the Bourbon. She responds that she'll be right down.
Elaine leaves the room.
Kristen falls asleep.
In a dream, Kristen finds herself and her bed in front of the Elm Street House.
Also in front of the house are three children playing jump rope, two children throwing a ball to each other, and one child riding a tricycle.
Kristen gets out of the bed and walks toward the house.
She follows the child on the tricycle into the house.
She goes down to the basement.
The girl on the tricycle is down there.
The basement now seems to be mixed with the Boiler Room.
Kristen picks the girl off her tricycle and runs with her.
The girl appears to have turned into a large doll.
Kristen ends up in a room filled with teenagers hung from nooses.
Kristen appears to wake up in her bed, in her room.
She walks into her half bathroom.
In her half bathroom, she becomes restrained by Freddy and he slashes her wrists. She wakes up. Kristen's mother finds her awake with her wrist cut and a razor in her hands, which makes it appear like an attempted suicide. She passes out.
Kristen is taken to County General, though this part isn't actually shown.
Kristen is taken to the Westin Hills Psychiatric Hospital for observation. When the orderly tries to sedate her, she loses control and defends herself with a scalpel. While singing Freddy's jump rope rhyme, Nancy Thompson enters the room and completes the last verse. Kristen immediately feels a bond with Nancy and hugs her.
By this time, all the Elm Street Children have been killed by Freddy except for a few who are committed to Westin Hills Psychiatric Hospital. Aside from Kristen, the survivors are: Roland Kincaid, Phillip Anderson, Jennifer Caulfield, Will Stanton, Taryn White, and Joey Crusel. Nancy Thompson is a graduate student researching dreams and is assigned there for research purposes.
Neil Gordon, the psychiatrist assigned to the children, at first is apprehensive about Nancy's presence. He tells her that he believes the children are suffering from a group delusion and will g to any extremes not to sleep. In a talk with her, he discovers by accident that Nancy is taking a drug known as Hypnocil. Later research shows that it is an experimental drug that is not yet approved by the FDA and is used to suppress dreams.
Nancy goes to speak to Kristen's mom, only to discover the house that Kristen made a model of. She brings it to her own home.
That night, in the Dream World, the tricycle comes into Kristen's hospital room.
Freddy attacks Kristen, turning into a snake and trying to eat her, but Kristen pulls Nancy into her dream. Though startled, Nancy is able to repel Freddy long enough for Kristen to pull them out of the dream.
A series of events happens the following day. Nancy learns more about Kristen's ability to pull people into her dreams. Then, Nancy is introduced to the kids through a group session. Having dinner together, Nancy requests that Neil prescribe Hypnocil to the patients, but he refuses. Meanwhile, Freddy controls Phillip like a puppet using his tendons, and severs them with his claw, causing him to fall out the window, making it appear as a suicide.
At the group session the following day, Simms has decided that all patient rooms will be locked and that their will be a policy of evening sedation going forward. Kincaid protests and "earns" himself a night in the quiet room. Neil is so rattled by what happens that he convinces Simms to start prescribing Hypnocil, which they attempt to get the next day.
Later that evening, Jennifer convinces Max to let her stay awake and watch TV. She falls asleep and Freddy's arms and head come out of the TV. He grabs Jennifer and tells her "This is it, Jennifer- your big break in TV! Welcome to prime time, bitch!". He then pulls her into the TV screen, killing her.
While attending Jennifer's funeral, Neil notices a nun walking by the gravestones. Upon reaching her, she gives her name as Sister Mary Helena. Upon telling the sister that his faith is science, the nun tells him it is a sad choice. She tells him the only way to save the children is to put the unclean spirit to rest. Before he can ask her any questions, Nancy appears and the nun is gone.
Neil is confused by all the strange events going on, so Nancy decides to tell him about Freddy. Nancy, Neil, Kincaid, Taryn, Will, Joey, and Kristen do a group hypnosis, and all enter the dream world simultaneously in which Kincaid, Taryn, Will, and Kristen all have special powers. Joey sneaks off after a nurse whom he has a crush on, who turns out to be Freddy in disguise. He traps him above a flaming pit, leaving him in a coma unable to awake from his nightmare.
The cause of Joey's coma is believed by Simms and Dr. Carver, the dean of medicine of Westin Hills, to be the Hypnocil, and Nancy and Neil are subsequently relieved of duty. Although originally promising to listen to the children, Simms has an immediate falling out with Kristen and sedates her and isolates her in the quiet room.
Neil once again sees Sister Mary Helena going to the abandoned part of the hospital.
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The sister tells him the story of why the hospital wing was shut down. A nun was locked in with inmates in an insane asylum and raped hundreds of times by the inmates. She was eventually rescued and gave birth to Freddy, whom the sister refers to as "The bastard son of a hundred maniacs." She tells Neil to put Freddy's bones to rest on holy ground. Nancy's father, Donald Thompson, now an alcoholic, is the only one who knows where they are. Neil and Nancy go to Little Nemo's. Upon confronting him, Donald continues to not believe that Freddy Krueger survived his physical death and refuses to show Nancy and Neil where the bones are. Nancy receives a call from the Dream Warriors (Taryn, Will, and Kincaid) saying that Kristen is going to be sedated and placed into the quiet room. Neil tells Nancy to go protect the kids while he stays behind to speak to Donald.
Neil finally convinces Donald to show him where the bones are hidden by physically threatening him. He picks up some holy water and a crucifix at a church, and they go to Penny Bros. Auto Salvage where they find Freddy's bones and begin to dig a grave. Donald tries to escape several times, but Neil makes him stay for the funeral.
Upon arriving at the hospital, Max refuses to let Nancy see Kristen. However, Nancy does convince him to let her say goodbye to the other kids. Nancy takes them to another room and they have a second hypnosis session to begin the final fight. Kincaid, Taryn and Will enter the dream world with Nancy, but are immediately separated. Taryn, who uses switchblades in the dream world, attacks Freddy, but he turns his fingers into syringes and injects them into Taryn, killing her. He then sends a spiked wheelchair after Will, who in the real world is in a wheelchair, but can walk and use magic in the dream world. Will destroys the spiked chair with his magic and zaps Freddy, but he is unaffected and stabs Will dead. Nancy, Kristen, and Kincaid rescue Joey from the flaming pit. They attack Freddy, but he is stronger than before. He reveals that when he kills his victims, he takes their souls and holds them captive inside him, giving him strength. In the middle of the battle, Freddy vanishes.
As Neil and Donald are about to bury Freddy's bones, Freddy takes control of the bones and attacks Neil. Donald finally believes that Freddy came back after his physical death and tries to kill him again, but Freddy stabs him and throws him up against a piece of metal, impaling and killing him. Freddy then throws Neil into the grave but does not bother to finish him off and he re-enters the dream world.
Back in the dream world, Freddy creates a room full of mirror images of himself. The images begin to pull the remaining dream warriors in. Joey, however, discovers his voice and shatters the mirrors. Nancy believes this is the end of Freddy. Suddenly, Donald appears and apologizes to Nancy for not believing her and for causing all of this trouble. As Nancy hugs him, Donald reveals himself to be Freddy and finally kills Nancy, much to his happiness. Kristen, in a fit of rage fights Freddy but is overpowered. Meanwhile, although wounded, Neil manages to throw the bones into the grave, pours holy water on them and throws the crucifix onto the skull. Freddy is destroyed. Kristen mourns Nancy and says she will dream Nancy into a wonderful dream forever.
At Nancy's funeral, Neil discovers that Sister Mary Helena was really the spirit of Amanda Krueger, Freddy's mother.
Cast
Heather Langenkamp as Nancy Thompson
Craig Wasson as Doctor Neil Gordon
Patricia Arquette as Kristen Parker
Robert Englund as Freddy Krueger
Ken Sagoes as Roland Kincaid
Rodney Eastman as Joey Crusel
Jennifer Rubin as Taryn White
Bradley Gregg as Phillip Anderson
Ira Heiden as Will Stanton
Laurence Fishburne as Max
Penelope Sudrow as Jennifer Caulfield
John Saxon as Donald Thompson
Priscilla Pointer as Doctor Elizabeth Simms
Clayton Landey as Lorenzo
Brooke Bundy as Elaine Parker
Kristen Clayton as Little Girl
Sally Piper as Nurse #1
Rozlyn Sorrell as Nurse #2
Nan Martin as Sister Mary Helena/Amanda Krueger
Stacey Alden as Nurse Marcie
Dick Cavett as Himself
Zsa Zsa Gabor as Herself
Michael Rougas as Priest in Church
Jack Shea as Priest in Cemetery
Paul Kent as Dr. Carver
Mary Brown as Neurosurgeon
Melanie Doctors as Girl in Cemetery
Donna Durham as Girl in Crowd
Box Office
The film released theatrically in the United States by New Line Cinema in February 1987. It opened in 1,343 theaters, grossing $8.9 million and debuting at number 1 during its opening weekend. It eventually made $44,793,222 at the domestic box office, making it both the highest grossing film for the studio that year and the 24th highest grossing film of 1987. It is the third highest grossing of the original Nightmare movies after Freddy vs. Jason and A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master, and the fourth highest grossing film of the series after the release of 2010 remake.
Critical Reception
The film received mixed to positive reviews from critics and audiences. It has garnered an average score of 72% on Rotten Tomatoes, based on 32 professional reviews. It is almost unanimously considered the best Nightmare film after the original, but still received some negative reviews from critics because of the comedic themes present in the film; director Chuck Russell said in an interview he felt it needed to be taken down a different path, making Freddy fun to keep the audience entertained instead of being dark and scary over and over again. Roger Ebert gave the film 1 and a half stars out of 4.
In Queensland, Australia, Dream Warriors was banned by the then Bjelke-Petersen government due to its drug references, particularly the scene where Freddy's glove becomes a number of syringes as he injects his victim with a heroin overdose. In 1990, the newly elected Goss government abolished the Queensland Film Board of Review. Consequently, Dream Warriors became available to Queenslanders through normal market channels rather than just through sympathetic video rental stores.
Film Awards
1988 Saturn Awards Best Horror Film (Nomination)
1988 Saturn Awards Best Make-up (Nomination)
1988 Saturn Awards Best Supporting Actor – Robert Englund (Nomination)
International Fantasy Film Award Best Film – Chuck Russell (Nomination)
Critics Awards: Special Mention – Chuck Russell (Won)
Soundtrack
The theme song of the movie, "Dream Warriors", was written and performed by the American heavy metal band Dokken. The success of the single led to the following sequels to include a heavy metal song in its soundtrack.
In the original VHS release of the film, during the opening sequence, a hard rock instrumental version of the song "Quiet Cool" is playing. The original version of that song, performed by Joe Lamont, was written for the movie with the same name in 1986. When Dream Warriors was released on DVD, the song that was on the original theatrical release, "Into the Fire" by Dokken, was reinserted.
Trivia
Kristen making the model of the house at 1428 Elm Street resembles The scene of Freddy making his glove in the first film.
Freddy's famous line was improvised, originally, when Freddy kills Jennifer, he was only going to say, "This is it Jennifer, your big break in TV." but Robert England came up with, "Welcome to Prime Time Bitch!"
Videos
MTV Freddy Krueger promo (laughing) (1987)
Media retail promo for A Nightmare on Elm Street 3 (1987)
Robert Englund as Freddy Krueger in an unedited interview from the set of Nightmare 3 Dream Warriors
External links
Icon-wikipedia.jpg A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors at Wikipedia
IMDb.png A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors at the Internet Movie Database
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A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 3: DREAM WARRIORS (1987) – Episode 224 – Decades Of Horror 1980s
“Welcome to prime time, bitch!” Not words I’d use in front of my mother, but they are iconic just the same. Join your faithful Grue-Crew – Chad Hunt, Bill Mulligan, Crystal Cleveland, and Jeff Mohr, along with guest host Ralph Miller – as they enter another Wes Craven nightmare, A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987). Expect a lot of FX talk with Ralph in the house!
Decades of Horror 1980s Episode 224 – A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987)
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A psychiatrist familiar with knife-wielding dream demon Freddy Krueger helps teens at a mental hospital battle the killer who is invading their dreams.
[NOTE: Effects crew credits are listed as they appear in the film credits.]
Director: Chuck Russell
Writers: Wes Craven (story) (screenplay) (characters); Bruce Wagner (story) (screenplay); Frank Darabont (screenplay); Chuck Russell (screenplay)
Music: Angelo Badalamenti
Storyboard Artist / Visual Consultant: Peter von Sholly
Stop-Motion Skeleton and Marionette Effects: Doug Beswick Productions, Inc.
Stop-Motion Animation: Doug Beswick
Effects Photography Supervisor: Jim Aupperle
Stop-Motion Puppet Construction: Yancy Calzada
Marionette Construction: Mark Bryan Wilson (as Mark Wilson)
Miniatures: James Belohovek
Illustrator: Larry Nikolai
Makeup effects Sequences: Greg Cannom
Assistants to Greg Cannom: Larry Odien, Earl Ellis, John Vulich, Keith Edmier, Brent Baker
Krueger Makeup effects: Kevin Yagher
Assistants to Kevin Yagher: Jim Kagel, Mitch DeVane, Gino Crognale, Brian Penikas, David Kindlon, Steve James, Everett Burrell
Makeup Effects Sequences: Mark Shostrom
Assistants to Mr. Shostrum: Robert Kurtzman, Bryant Tausek, John Blake Dutro, James McLoughlin (as Jim McLoughlin), Cathy Carpenter
Additional Makeup Effects: Matthew W. Mungle (as Mathew Mungel)
Assistant to Mathew Mungel: Russell Seifert
Mechanical Effects: Image Engineering
Special Effects Coordinator: Peter Chesney
Lead Technician: Lenny Dalrymple
Mechanical Designers: Bruce D. Hayes (as Bruce Hayes), Joe Starr, Anton Tremblay (as Tony Tremblay)
Effects Technicians: Bernardo F. Munoz (as Bernard Munoz), Rod Schumacher, Bob Ahmanson
Effects Crew: Scott Nesselrode, Tom Chesney, Kelly Mann, Phillip Hartmann (as Phillip Hartman), Ralph Miller III (as Ralph Miller), Joel Fletcher, Brian Mcfadden, Sandra Stewart (as Sandy Stewart), Terry Mack (as Troy Mack), Blaine Converse, Ron MacInnes, Brendan C. Quigley
Selected Cast:
Heather Langenkamp as Nancy Thompson
Craig Wasson as Dr. Neil Gordon
Patricia Arquette as Kristen Parker
Ken Sagoes as Roland Kincaid
Ira Heiden as Will Stanton
Rodney Eastman as Joey Crusel
Jennifer Rubin as Taryn White
Penelope Sudrow as Jennifer Caulfield
Bradley Gregg as Phillip Anderson
Laurence Fishburne as Max Daniels (credited as Larry Fishburne)
John Saxon as Donald Thompson
Priscilla Pointer as Dr. Elizabeth Simms
Clayton Landey as Lorenzo
Brooke Bundy as Elaine Parker
Nan Martin as Sister Mary Helena
Stacey Alden as Nurse Marcie
Dick Cavett as Himself
Zsa Zsa Gabor as Herself
Paul Kent as Dr. Carver
Guest host Ralph Miller III, who worked behind the scenes on Dream Warriors provides insights and many effects development photos that are shown in the YouTube version of the podcast. Post-recording, the crew wants to clarify that Kevin Yagher was responsible for the Freddy Snake, and Mark Shostrom was in charge of the Penelope Sudrow dummy that smashes into the Freddyvision TV.
With the success of A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987), following the critical failure of A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge (1985), New line Cinema firmly cemented Freddy Krueger and A Nightmare on Elm Street as one of the most iconic horror franchises of its time. Not only does Dream Warriors feature Robert Englund continuing to breathe both humor and fear into Freddy Krueger but also the return of both Heather Langenkamp and John Saxon from the original. The film also features Craig Wasson (Ghost Story) as the male lead and early film roles for Patricia Arquette and Larry Fishburne. Frank Darabont (The Mist) and Bruce Wagner join Wes Craven on scripting chores and Chuck Russell (The Blob, The Mask) directs while Angelo Badalamenti (Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet) provides the score – a winning combination of talent. Surely a Grue-Crew highly recommended selection with special effects by Greg Cannom, Doug Beswick, Mark Shostrom, Kevin Yagher, and more!
Be sure to check out the first time the 80s Grue-Crew took a dive into this film in February 2017, featuring Doc Rotten, Christopher G. Moore, and Thomas Mariani as the Grue-Crew. You can find it here: A NIGHTMARE ON ELMS STREET 3: DREAM WARRIORS (1987) — Episode 102
Every two weeks, Gruesome Magazine’s Decades of Horror 1980s podcast will cover another horror film from the 1980s. The next episode’s film, chosen by Jeff, will be The Changeling (1980), starring George C. Scott, Trish Van Devere, Melvyn Douglas, . . . and a bouncing, red, rubber ball.
Please let them know how they’re doing! They want to hear from you – the coolest, grooviest fans – so leave them a message or comment on the gruesome Magazine Youtube channel, on the website, or email the Decades of Horror 1980s podcast hosts at [email protected].
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Enemies of Freddy Krueger
Alive
Alice Johnson
Doc
Dylan Porter
Heather Langenkamp/Nancy Thompson
Jacob Johnson
Katherine Krueger/Maggie Burnham
Lori Campbell
Nancy Holbrook
Neil Gordon
Quentin Smith
Tracy Swan
Yvonne Miller
Deceased
Amanda Krueger
Donald Thompson
Joey Crusel
Kristen Parker
Nancy Thompson
Ronald Kincaid
Unknown fate
Jesse Walsh
Kerry Hellman
Lisa Webber
Undead
Jason Voorhees
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AMBUSH! (Always love seeing reblogged threads with convos and now is my chance to join in. ALL ABOARD, CHOO CHOO! Hope you both don't mind my jumping in)
Both of these are wonderful, wonderful answers and I resonate and agree with them so profoundly. Freddy and Nancy are such a powerful and diehard ship, the passion and tension in their dynamic really does scream from the screen. It is so potent, it's nearly impossible to miss. Such a tension almost leaves you caught up in the middle, your eyes glued to both characters, breathless as you watch the deadly game of chess play out between the two of them!
I believe I've heard Mr. Englund himself acknowledge this. Paraphrasing from recollections, words I have heard from an interview once; "With Freddy it's a dance. It's a seduction, it's a dare. He doesn't know whether to gut her or kiss her."
Isn't that incredible?
My mind springs all sorts of things forward, but another segment most telling is from 3: When Joey Crusel is in his coma, a captured piggy in the Dreamscape, and Nancy has been left in the room with him.
"Let go of him, you bastard."
Then the fucking amazing as it is terrifying, display of power and spite from Krueger to carve HIS OWN REPLY TO HER, FROM THE DREAM WORLD into Joey's abdomen! And what a power move! Not only an invitation, but a threat as well?
"COME AND GET HIM, BITCH!" (I was in s h o c k, but couldn't refrain a girlish squeal of delight too)
And how to forget that moment when the pair lay eyes on each other after all this time? Yet again from 3: When the Freddy snake was devouring Kristen Parker and Nancy had been pulled in for the rescue. One word and they both knew.
"You!"
Ugh. I could go on. Love NOES. Love Freddy and Nancy. Love everything about the franchise. And I love my mutual Fredheads.
*Shoves a HUGE microphone in your face*
Ma’am, Ma’am! I would like to ask your opinions on the inherent eroticism of Freddy and Nancy’s ongoing rivalry.
Any comments?
Oh! Woah! Hi, yes, hello! Uhm I wasn’t expecting an interview today but anything for the public, especially on such a vital and under-talked about topic.
The Nightmare on Elm Street series as a whole is steeped heavily in sexuality, and repression of that same sexuality, and it is obviously very purposeful on that front, it would be totally idiotic not to talk about it and lean into it as much as possible! Freddy Krueger’s whole bit is about coming after you when you are your most vulnerable, he creeps into your home, your bedroom, in between your sheets, into your fucking skull when you are sleeping, he can occupy your mind. He can worm into your thoughts, hopes, subconscious and of course, your dreams. He can know just about anything about you, it is erotic as shit, violating as fuck, intmate as hell, nothing is safe or off limits from him, all of you is laid bare for him, a veritable feast and boy does he dine on it all with gusto. No secret is safe from him the same way you are not safe from him.
But let’s get into Nancy in particular, cuz the above all applies, naturally but Nancy is someone truly special, not just to us but to him. She is something totally different, full of a particular kind of fight and fire, an extreme will to continue to live, she breaks through her intense fear and she manages to best him! She bites and claws and gives her all and even verbally throws down with him too! How can he not be into all of that?
My opinion is that they are a duo that has undeniable magnetism and appeal, something you cannot look away from no matter what, being inexplicably drawn to it, their back and forth and the way they throw themselves completely into the ongoing fight between one another is just fantastic. I think the chemistry between Robert and Heather definitely helps but I think most people can admit there is something there between Freddy and Nancy. I mean like-
It isn't like the idea doesn't have support in the text! Like look at them? You mean to tell me that they do not have the capacity to hate-fuck the shit out of each other? There is 100% a lot of complex feelings on both sides of reliance and need and hatred and wanting to destroy the other but still getting something out of what they share with an overall refusal to acknowledge it because they are both so stubborn!
The whole thing, in short, is very, very sexy and I love that for them.
#hope you dont mind#i threw my two cents#thank you both#this has been fun#freddy krueger#nancy thompson#fredheads#a nightmare on elm street#slashers#slasher fandom
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Watching Kincaid and Joey constantly cling on to each other once they're reunited in A Nightmare on Elm Street 3...
#Roland Kincaid#joey crusel#anoes#a nightmare on elm street#a nightmare on elm street 3 dream warriors#have not yet watched anoes 4. very nervous for the drop in quality for the rest of the series 😭#into the void
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Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (1987)
“You are the last of the Elm Street children.”
#i just really love this movie#nightmare on elm street#nightmare on elm street 3#dream warriors#horror#classic horror#80’s horror#freddy krueger#robert englund#nancy thompson#heather langenkamp#kristen parker#patricia arquette#joey crusel#rodney eastman#neil gordon#craig wasson#taryn white#jennifer rubin#will stanton#ira heiden#jennifer caulfield#penelope sudrow#roland kinkaid#ken sagoes#donald thompson#john saxon
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Things I would change about the Elm Street Franchise
I absolutely love the Elm Street series, but if I could change anything about the series it would be this.
My other Horror changes
Halloween
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2
Texas Chainsaw 3D
Leatherface
Friday The 13th
Before we begin. I need to address the elephant in the room. One of the crucial things I would change is just cutting out the campy humor. There is a problem when trying to make Freddy Krueger funny? In the original film, there really aren’t that many jokes coming from Freddy, at least not ones that aren’t meant to have frightening double meanings. Otherwise it’s just mocking and cajoling the various victims as he picks them off one by one. Freddy Krueger is a violent psychopathic child rapist who returns from the dead to seek revenge against the children of the people who murdered him. What about that setup sounds remotely funny? Sure the concept is out there enough for humor to be found, but the sequels just keep getting goofier and goofier as they went on. Granted, this isn’t to say they weren’t fun to watch but they came at the cost of the genuine existential terror that Krueger instilled in the audience.
A Nightmare On Elm Street
The only thing I would change about the original is that I would keep in the deleted scene that had Nancy’s mother explains that Nancy, Glen, Rod and Tina all had siblings that Freddy killed during his Springwood Slasher days. “You weren’t always an only child,” This additional dialogue serves to better explain why Marge and Donald were directly involved in the killing of Fred Krueger, and it also adds an emotional new layer to the ongoing battle between Nancy and Freddy – she wasn’t just trying to survive, she was also trying to get revenge for the murder of the sibling Freddy took away from her.
A Nightmare On Elm Street 2:Freddy’s Revenge
Since this movie is considered an LGBT movie by fans and has been labeled a Gay Horror movie, fuck it go all in. Make Jesse and Grady boyfriends. Lisa and Grady help bring Jesse out of Freddy’s possession. It'd be a nice addition; that the straight girl is nothing but loving and supportive of Jesse and Grady, which would be a hell of a good message in a movie that came out right in the midst of the AIDs crisis.
A Nightmare On Elm Street 3:The Dream Warriors
Dream Warriors is perfect, so nothing would be changed.
A Nightmare On Elm Street 4:The Dream Master
Keep Patricia Arquette as Kristen
Cut out the campy humor. Keep the unique dream kills, but just make Freddy as dark and twisted as he was in the first movie
Do not kill off Kristen, Kincaid and Joey. The entire point of Dream Warriors is they are the final Elm Street Children. Freddy’s entire motive is he is killing the children of the people who killed him. Take that away and you pretty much have nothing. You made Freddy no different from Jason or any other slasher villains.
Have a romance between Kristen and Kincaid. I always thought there was something that could’ve been between Kristen and Kincaid in Part 3, so there would be a romance between the two
Everyone who is introduced in Dream Master is killed off. Alice is the last to die. Freddy forces Kristen to watch as they all die one by one.
Kristen and Kincaid are the final survivors. Pretty much the same way that Freddy died, but Kristen is the one to do it.
A Nightmare On Elm Street 5:The Dream Child
Cut out the campy humor. Keep the unique dream kills, but just make Freddy as dark and twisted as he was in the first movie
Kristen and Kincaid have a child and her name is Alice in memory of Alice Johnson.
The little girl Kristen has been seeing since the third movie IS Kristen’s daughter and the dream child in place of Jacob
Joey is the one to die in the motorcycle dream death
Both Kristen and Kincaid take this hard and mourn for their friend
Kincaid frees Amanda’s spirit
After Freddy fails to trick Alice to come to him, Kincaid enters the dream to beat the shit out of Freddy. Freddy gets the upperhand and before Freddy can kill Kincaid and Kristen, Amanda appears and puts an end to Freddy
Freddy’s Dead:The Final Nightmare
Cut out the campy humor. Keep the unique dream kills, but just make Freddy as dark and twisted as he was in the first movie
As time moves on, Kristen returns to Elm Street. She still feels Freddy is alive and she has to put an end to it. Kristen and Kincaid are still together, but facing Freddy alone is something she has to do so Alice will be safe from Freddy
I like the idea of Kristen being the final Elm Street child. It gives Freddy a cat and mouse chase and killing everyone around her and Kristen finally facing the nightmare to protect her family.
The plot of Freddy using Kristen to get closer to his daughter remains the same, but Kristen is able to live and tell Maggie
Kristen and Maggie work together to bring an end to Freddy
As both Kristen and Maggie work together to bring Freddy out in the real world, the spirit of Nancy comes to Kristen and tells her how to bring an end to Freddy once and for all. It would be similar to how the first movie ended Nancy’s idea of belief weakening him is one step, the thing in Part 2 about love is another big step (any kind of love, romantic or platonic). Part 3 had the “gotta fight back against him” thing. And altogether, that’s how they can defeat him for good. They take away every bit of power they gave to Freddy and stripping Freddy of belief and outright refusal to acknowledge Freddy’s existence is what ultimately ends him. Freddy’s daughter and his past victims ultimately ends him for good. This comes into play in FVJ when the town erases him and everyone forgets about Freddy
I honestly think it would be worth it to have the last of the Elm Street children to live and for Kristen and Kincaid to have a happy ending
Freddy vs Jason
Freddy uses Jason to spread fear so he can return to Elm Street
Instead of Lori, it’s Alice and Joey Parker, the children of Kristen and Kincaid.
Freddy gets more kills. One of my biggest problems with Freddy vs Jason is the fact that Freddy only gets one kill. So to fix this I would have Freddy and Jason be tied with the killings. At the rave Freddy possesses one of the teens and doses the drinks with sleeping pills. So Freddy and Jason are tied 20-20
Upon hearing about the Elm Street massacre, Kristen and Kincaid return one final time to face Freddy, they are not the only ones. Tommy Jarvis comes to Elm Street to warn them all about Jason and helps them
When Alice is put to sleep and can’t wake up, Kristen and Kincaid go to sleep to save their daughter. Kristen hits Freddy in the face and Kincaid loudly yells “HEY FREDDY, REMEMBER ME? TIME TO BEAT YOUR CRISPY ASS ALL OVER DREAMLAND ALL OVER AGAIN MOTHERFUCKER” and then proceeds to beat the unholy shit out of Freddy for even daring to come after his kids after all this time.
Kristen and Kincaid pull out Alice, while Freddy follows them. Freddy thinks he has them, when Jason appears, ready to kick Freddy’s ass
The fight scenes between Freddy and Jason remains the same.
Kristen decapitates Freddy and Tommy stabs Jason in the heart. The movie ends with Jason rises from the grave and takes Freddy’s head to his shack and Freddy winks at the end
#A Nightmare On Elm Street#Freddy Krueger#Nancy Thompson#Kristen Parker#Roland Kincaid#Joey Crusel#Maggie Burroughs#Jesse Walsh#Ron Grady#My Changes
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I want to write Nightmare on Elm Street fanfic.
I completely blame Joey Crusel & Phillip Anderson. Dream Warriors did something right with those two characters.
#a nightmare on elm street 3 dream warriors#a nightmare on elm street 3#dream warriors#phillip anderson#joey crusel
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Freddy Kruegar seemed into Joey in the worst way possible.
#nightmare on elm street#joey crusel#dream warriors#seriously he taunts him about him freddy giving him a wet dream
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A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (Chuck Russell, 1987, Estados Unidos)
#Película#Gif#Terror#Pesadilla en Elm Street 3: Los guerreros del sueño#Chuck Russell#Rodney Eastman#Film#A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors#terror movie#Joey Crusel#Freddy Krueger
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classic horror vs it 2017, 1/?
Rodney Eastman in Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (1988)
Owen Teague in IT (2017)
(i was originally gonna make a comprehensive post about ‘80s teen horror films’ hair/wardrobe influence on it 2017 but that pipe dream is lost at sea lmao so i’ll just be posting these one at a time, enjoy the feathered hair twins for now)
#joey crusel#patrick hockstetter#rodney eastman#owen teague#it 2017#unedited and ugly bc laziness is my vice#chvi#my garbage
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@ace-degenerate
How do I like him!??? He was so cute!!!!! Cx ovaries plezz calm down C;
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TAG DROP 3/? - re; people
:: i’m your boyfriend now nancy. :: re; nancy thompson. :: :: kill for me. :: re; jesse walsh. :: :: a face only a mother can love. :: re; jason voorhees. :: :: then there’s this bitch. :: re; michael myers. :: :: what’s wrong joey? feeling tongue tied? :: re; joey crusel. :: :: here piggy piggy. :: re; amanda young. :: :: why won't you just die already? :: re; quentin smith. ::
#:: why won't you just die already? :: re; quentin smith. ::#:: i’m your boyfriend now nancy. :: re; nancy thompson. ::#:: kill for me. :: re; jesse walsh. ::#:: a face only a mother can love. :: re; jason voorhees. ::#:: then there’s this bitch. :: re; michael myers. ::#:: what’s wrong joey? feeling tongue tied? :: re; joey crusel. ::#:: here piggy piggy. :: re; amanda young. ::
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