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easily one of the saddest marvel deaths (or character deaths) out there
MY SHAYLAAAAAAAA
#agents of shield#enoch#chronicoms#daisy johnson#phil coulson#character death#i SOBBED#i just rewatched 7x09 and it didn’t hurt any less than the first time#his last words being about how much he cared for the team and fitz#joel stoffer#joel stoffer is AMAZING#the acting in this episode actually makes me want to k word its so GOOD
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Wayne Munson Appreciation
He was literally one of the best guardians of the damn show!
He 100% had faith in Eddie despite knowing that he must have found Chrissy dead or been there when she died and ran away without telling Wayne what happened.
The scene at the end of episode 9 broke my heart. Joel Stoffer and Gaten Maarazzo were amazing. Even after the hicks have been hunting Eddie for days and a good amount of people in Hawkins legitimately think that Eddie created a portal to hell, Wayne still publicly stands up for him. He walks over to that notice board ready with his fresh missing person flyer, as though he’s had to replace it before. He’s terrified that his young nephew might be dead knowing that most of the people in there hate him. People probably threatened him too but he still won’t give up on Eddie. When Dustin politely asks if they can talk, you can tell by his stance, he’s just so weary of everyone, expecting them to say disgusting things about Eddie, and try to harass him, even respectfully adorable Dustin seems makes him uneasy at first. But he still politely but firmly says that Eddie is innocent and he won’t give up on finding him.
Then when Dustin does tell him about Eddie’s death you can tell from his reaction just how much he knew the real Eddie, the one who made an effort to look out for other lost sheep, the one who always knew how to cheer people up, the playful, kind person who told Dustin to never change. You can see how much he really loved his nephew. He’s going to keep defending him for the rest of his life and it looks like no one is ever going to officially clear his name. And it seems like they only really had each other and now Wayne is all alone.
#stranger things 4 spoilers#st4 spoilers#stranger things volume 2#wayne munson#eddie munson#In conclusion that is why Eddie has to come back#Wayne didn't deserve any of this
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As I Have Always Been...
So I’m definitely time-looping 7x09. It’s perfectly normal to keep watching it over and over again, right? Yes, it is. AoS, you amaze and break me in all the best ways!
The way they took that trope and made it their own, and managed to make it unique. Amazing writing from Drew Z. Greenberg.
Elizabeth Henstridge did such a fantastic job with her directorial debut, and what an episode it was too. And her acting, my God, she's phenomenal. The scene with Jemma breaking down in tears while remembering was bone-chilling, I just wanted to cry with her. I'm not ready for whatever it is; it seemed it had really messed her up.
The sequence with the whole team and Enoch was not only hilarious, but nostalgic for some reason, especially because of Daisy and LMD/Chronicom-Coulson.
Chloe was amazing this episode, and Daisy almost strangely felt like her old self, somehow. It was so wonderful!
I can not express enough just how much I loved every single second between Daisy and Coulson. Seeing them working together, having a heart to heart. And also being emotional, sarcastic, snarky, and funny about everything was so early seasons, and it hit me so, so hard. I needed this episode to be centered around them, I missed them so very much. The whole episode just made me so emotional, and I don't want the show to end, damn it!
Daisy and Sousa - they managed to be so soft and hot at the same time. Only AoS could introduce a ship this late and have it work so incredibly well. And while I don't want Daisy to have a last minute relationship, can people please stop acting like a kiss means that? It doesn’t mean they’re together. They kissed. They obviously like and are attracted to, each other and so far, that's it. In my opinion, they handled it perfectly, and I honestly don't think it diminished either character. Their scenes didn't feel forced and they all made sense within the story-line. I could feel the tension and the chemistry and the care between them. That, "Because you don't," from Sousa, made me feel things. He gets her.
Enoch. This show has given us many heart-wrenching, emotional scenes over the years, and I've loved and sobbed over each one of them. But this Enoch scene just might be my favorite so far, because of his unwavering loyalty 'till the very end. Those last words. Words that are so human, coming from a Chronicom. The questions and anxieties about death, we could all relate to that, everything that was said cut me deep. We could also relate to Enoch's connection and love for the team, and the fear of being without them. The way everything was written and phrased. . .just honestly got to me. Joel Stoffer’s acting was remarkable, his eyes, his tone, his facial expressions; I genuinely felt what he was feeling. I can't stop thinking about it.
That was easily one of the best AoS episodes ever, and personally, it made its way to my top three, or maybe five - there are just too many amazing episodes, and we still have four episodes left so. . . Anyway, 10/10. Perfect.
#give Elizabeth all the love and awards#aos spoilers#agents of shield#daisy johnson#jemma simmons#phil coulson#melinda may#enoch#yo-yo rodriguez#alphonso mackenzie#sousy#daniel sousa#deke shaw#leopold fitz#agents of s.h.i.e.l.d.#aos#daisysous#my avengers
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Congrats to Joel Stoffer!!!! He’s absolutely amazing as Enoch, so I’m so happy to see him getting more work.
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YouTube: https://youtu.be/SpJR2qq3TIk For seven seasons Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. has managed to take us on one wild ride after another. The show is coming to an end with season seven, which premiered on May 27, and we are excited to celebrate the show with this panel. It is one thing to explore the amazing, and sometimes scary, abilities of inhumans (mutants), and quite another to take these stories into a matrix-like world, into space and even on a time-traveling adventure. Join the Fleet Science Center and executive producers, writers, and actors from Marvel's immensely popular TV show Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., as they reveal how these stories came to life and discuss with San Diego scientists if they got the science right. Panelists are Jeffrey Bell (Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. showrunner, executive producer, and writer), Andrea Decker (Fleet Science Center, moderator), Dr. Virginia De Sa (professor in the Cognitive Science Department at UC San Diego), Elizabeth Henstridge (actor, Jemma Simmons), Dr. Anila Kanchan Madiraju (research associate at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies), Melissa Miller (scientist and science writer at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography), James Oliver (Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. co-producer and writer), Sharla Oliver (Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. co-producer and writer), Dr. Troy Sandberg (postdoctoral researcher at UC San Diego), Joel Stoffer (actor, Enoch), and Craig Titley (Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. executive producer and writer).
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hello and welcome to a reaction post of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. s7 ep...9?
(Warning I might have sworn a lot whoops)
This was such a good episode jeez
As I Have Always Been:
- Couldn’t imagine sleeping in a chamber like that omg chlostrophobia
- SOUSA STAYED ASLEEP NEXT TO HER
- what the heck did Sousa just say
- very marvelly time thing (like it fits the marvel aesthetic nicely)
- honestly babes same (edit: I cannot remember what line this was for?)
- “bugsy”
- BLINDED BY THE LIGHT
- “I’m fine” the heck you are
- time drive is buffering guess it runs on virgin media
- did they just die
- I guess they did huh
- “21st century slang for its working normally” got it
- she’s so SCARED and honestly I would be too
- this is so exciting omg
- notice on rewatch: they did the title card twice, clever
- “oh well that’s fun”
- Simmons is so fucking done
- and here we go again
- it’s like a horrible nightmare
- “i dIeD!!”
- I love Clark Gregg, Coulson is going crazy and is hysterical and I love the way he’s acting it, it’s funny
- jEsUs this is giving me so much stress
- sassy exasperated Coulson is (one of) the best Coulsons
- 10 minutes in and my brain is fried
- I feel like she’s gonna remember something really bad
- she’s dying
- shit
- Dekey baby nO don’t be so sad
- “what a pain in the ass”
- did Coulson do it
- IS THERE A STOWAWAY
- oh look we decided to bring Sousa back in
- she don’t remember what
- IS FITZ ON THE ZEPHYR
- was it may?!!
- THAT LOOK DEKE AND ENOCH OMG
- smart move Mack nice
- “son of a bI-“
- I love Sousa
- WAIT NO
- WTF
- HAPPENED
- I think it’s Coulson
- Maybe he just doesn’t realise it
- This ep is really Coulson and Daisy centered and it reminds me of the good old days
- eNoCh?!
- gasp
- Enoch and his friends I love it
- bloody hell
- I kinda hoped it would be Fitz tbh
- did she just kill Enoch
- nope
- “oh dear” WHAT A MOOD
- how many times do you reckon Chloe hit her head on that thing getting out
- I LOVE SOUSA HOLY SHIT
- “sorry”
- I WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY TOLD HIM WHAT WAS THE IRONY
- this is fucking mental wow
- LOOK AT THEM ALL WITH THEIR SCARY FACES
- notice on rewatch: “deke’s very dead” “very” “do we need to be sad about that?” “we do not” these guys are so FUCKING DONE with This Bullshit (TM)
- how the hell are we going to get to the end of this episode huh
- I have mixed feelings about daisysous and I hate it like I would die for peggysous but the writers are making it really hard to not love daisysous
- JUST KISS HOLY SHIT
- sorry self control
- holy shit this is incredible
- DONT STOP FOR CONVERSATION DAISY
- FUCK THEY DID IT I WASNT READY I SQUEAKED
- oh for fucks sake is nothing ever easy
- IS FITZ DEAD WTF
- what hAs she done?!
- dramatic slightly melancholy music
- Enoch my baby I don’t want him to go but I feel like he won’t hesitate to save the team
- talk faster daisy jeez
- what did I fucking tell you
- he won’t hesitate bitch
- deke just looks so amazed that someone would do something like that
- oh no Enoch
- why does it look like an arc reactor
- Joel Stoffer is so good
- “I am feeling, as you might expect, some anxiety now” me before my exams next year
- Getting philosophical about death and imma cry
- or should I say PHIL-osophical
- I’m sorry it’s the wrong time I’ll use that joke another time
- the team won’t survive?
- someone’s gonna get left behind in the past (i.e. they’ll survive but it’ll split the team)
- I have this feeling it’ll be daisy and daniel and they’ll stay in the past and have beautiful babies
- OR what if Daniel gets left behind and he finds Peggy and they live happily ever after like I always wANTED
- but even if that happened something’s still going to happen to the rest of the team
- tears in my fucking eyes
- AS I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IT MAKES SENSE FUCK
- THE CUPS LIKE DAISY
- nice parallel lads
#agents of shield#aos#the final mission#phil coulson#daisy johnson#jemma simmons#leo fitz#enoch#deke shaw#yo yo rodriguez#melinda may#mack#daniel sousa#marvel#tv#mcu#reaction#holy shit#time travel#time loop
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My over-indulgent tribute to Agents of SHIELD
In 2012, as a college student, I saw The Avengers in theaters opening night. It was a viewing experience that would change my life. Seeing the audience reaction to that film, hearing the enthusiasm, I realized that my career trajectory was wrong: I didn’t want to write novels, I wanted to write for the screen. I wanted to create something that elicited THAT level of excitement and engagement.
The next year, my sister told me that they were making a spin-off show all about the S.H.I.E.L.D. organization from Avengers, and it would star Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson. I was immediately excited about this show even before I saw the first episode. I had grown up on shows like Get Smart and The Man from U.N.C.L.E. so I was in love with the spy television genre. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. seemed right up my alley, plus I had loved Agent Coulson from all of the Marvel movies up to that point.
I watched the release of the AoS pilot live, and from that moment, it became a weekly ritual. As a writer, I walk away from most movies/shows thinking, “It was really good, but if I had been writing it, I would have done this thing differently.” But the first season of Shield was different. I watched every episode thinking about the writing, “They did exactly what I would have done.” The way they defined and developed their characters, the way they balanced monster-of-the-week type programming with advancing the larger season arc, the way they seamlessly tied themselves into the greater Marvel universe was just outstanding across the board.
I remember the big push they made to have fans go out to the theaters and watch the premier of Captain America: The Winter Soldier between episodes 116 and 117, and boy, watching that movie with the full understanding that its events impacted the narrative I had been engulfed in on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. was one of the most surreal viewing experiences of my life. I drove back to my campus with my friends in the car, all extremely rattled by the events of that film, and we tried to predict what the show was going to do. With my writers mind, I remember the moment I pieced it together and realized who was going to turn in the next episode. We got back and basically immediately watched the episode Turn, Turn, Turn and my mind was blown. It was such a huge event, and I truly pity all of the fans that have joined the show late in the game and weren’t there in those early days. There was truly nothing like experiencing that tie-in in real time. It broadened my mind on what was possible to do through TV, and it solidified the feeling that had been festering inside of me for over a year: I wanted to be a television writer.
Fast forward another year and it was 2014. One of my great friends had managed to get us both tickets to the San Diego Comic Con, and the cast and creators of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. would be in attendance. Over the course of that week, I had more dream-come-true fan moments than I could even recount here, but chief among them, I got to meet Maurissa Tanchereon, the Co-Creator of AoS and one of the Showrunners on it. I got to give her a letter I had written and I got to thank her face-to-face for writing the show. As a female writer, I was so inspired by her career, and having her stand right there in front of me, holding my hand while I gushed over her talent, was like a tangible proof that my dreams were possible. I didn’t just have to WANT to be a tv writer; I COULD be. I could do it.
Fast forward another few years and I took the first step towards working in TV. I volunteered as an unpaid PA on a feature film being shot in my area. I made contacts and worked my butt off and soon, I was getting hired onto the next production, then the next one. I worked my way up in the industry in Oklahoma until I was ready to make the move to a bigger market. I moved to Los Angeles at the beginning of 2019 and have been working fulltime in the television industry ever since.
Now, I am a writers PA, closing in on the end of my first stint on a scripted television show, getting to sit in the writers room of a major Disney+ series and hear all of these brilliant writers work their magic. I have finally gotten a look behind the curtain and have learned so much from the talented people in our room. I’ve been able to pitch a few ideas or lines from time to time, and in every possible way, this feels like only the beginning. I am looking for my next gig in scripted television, and in the meantime, I am developing my own pilot. I am doing this, you guys.
And what has remained a constant, through this whole journey, has been the show that started it all: Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Every year, they find a way of reinventing this show and telling a new and exciting story. The characters have grown and been challenged in every way possible, and I feel like I have grown and been challenged right alongside them.
Now, I’m sad to say it’s goodbye. Tonight, the show’s finale episode is airing, and you can bet that I’ll be there, decked out in all of my fan gear, to watch the final mission as it airs. And I just couldn’t let a day like this go by without taking a moment to write this tribute, to commend this show for the legacy it has had, and thank those responsible for literally changing the trajectory of my life.
So thank you to the brilliant creative team, Maurissa Tanchereon, Jed Whedon, Joss Whedon, Jeff Bell, Jeph Loeb, and many others. Thank you to the wonderful writers who have inspired me for years with their great work (I can’t possibly list them all, but here are the writers behind just a few of my favorite episodes), Rafe Judkins, Lauren LeFranc, Drew Greenberg, DJ Doyle, Craig Titley, Brent Fletcher, Paul Zbyszewski, Monica Owusu-Breen, and so many others.
Thank you to the talented cast who brought the pages to life: Clark Gregg, Chloe Bennet, Ming Na Wen, Elizabeth Henstridge, Iain De Caestecker, Brett Dalton, Henry Simmons, Nick Blood, Adrianne Palicki, Henry Simmons, Natalia Cordova-Buckley, Jeff Ward, Joel Stoffer and so so many others.
Thank you to Mark Kolpak and his amazing visual effects team for making the impossible look so real (and also for his incredible social media presence, serving as our man on the inside and releasing all of the behind the scenes goodies). And thank you to Bear McCreary and his team for creating the iconic soundtrack to this epic adventure week after week. The sound of that main theme on the French horn will never fail to inspire me and make me feel like an Agent.
There are countless other people that I don’t know by name and can’t thank but they too played a vital role in making this show happen, so thank you.
This show has been such a huge part of my life for the past seven years. It has broken my heart, made me belly laugh, and pumped me up more times than I can count. It has given be new friendships that will be with me all of my life. It has inspired me to try and succeed. It has influenced the way I write and the way I watch. And one day, I’m going to create a show that is exactly as good, maybe even better.
So thank you Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I’m proud of you. You’ve been the best. And I’m ready for tonight’s final mission.
--Agent Grice
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In episode 9, the team get stuck in a time loop inside a time storm heading toward a time vortex. Every loop brings them closer to the event horizon, but the loops turn around quickly, so they have to work together to find a solution. Coulson and Daisy, who both start the episode unconscious, are the only ones who remember previous loops.
The episode was directed by Elizabeth Henstridge, who also plays Jemma Simmons. It’s a fast-paced, tragicomic episode that must have been hella complex to put together, but it came out great, so kudos to Elizabeth, writer Drew Greenberg, editor Kelly Stuyvesant and rest of the cast and crew. It’s hard to pull off either an episode full of tonal shifts or an episode full of repetitive scenes. To do both at once, on your first try as a director, is amazing. Joel Stoffer, Chloe Bennet, Clark Gregg and Enver Gjokaj also shine in this epsiode.
Recap
Daisy finishes regenerating and wakes up in the healing chamber. As she gets out, Sousa wakes up, too. He’s been sleeping in the chair next to her the whole time. Aww.
Neither of them knows how long they slept or whether they’ve time jumped again. Daisy goes to the Command Center, where they’re dealing with the time drive overload that began at the end of episode 8. According to Mack and May, nearly all systems are damaged and they can’t tell where they are.
When Daisy looks out the windshield, what she sees is unrecognizable. Unless you’re a Dr Who fan, that is.
Yikes! DON”T GO INTO THE LIGHT!!!
May says that Coulson is still charging. Then Yo-Yo appears as a disembodied head and tells them the quinjet’s flight system is down. Mack asks if she’s nearby. Her powers are back, so she’s delighted to say that everywhere is nearby. She’ll check it out.
As the lights flicker on and off and the ship rattles, May asks Simmons if she’s seeing what they’re experiencing. Jemma replies over the comms that radiation levels in the ship are too high. They need to escape this quickly. Deke jogs in with the alarming news that they’re stuck in a time storm. As Jemma predicted, they jumped again before completing the previous jump (jumping within a jump), tearing a hole in space-time.
Deke: “Now we’re being pulled in toward the vortex like we’re circling the drain.”
May says that if they go down the drain, they’ll cease to exist.
Deke: “No, we’ll cease to have ever existed. Or be reduced to the size of an atom. Honestly, I have no idea how the science works here.”
They’re currently 94 kilometers away from finding out.
A radiation flare throws sparks from a control panel into Mack’s eyes, causing severe burns. He’s blinded. The same flare sealed Yo-Yo in the quinjet. Deke goes to help her while Daisy and Sousa take Mack to Jemma. May stays in the Command Center to work the problem.
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This is the Dr Who episode you knew was coming. Much of what’s on the surface is based on Dr Who traditions, including the jargon, time concepts, camera work, use of tight spaces as sets, and snappy, sarcastic dialogue. But Deke just gave us two options for how that time vortex works that need to be kept in mind for future episodes- he said that if they’re pulled in, they could be erased from time, which would be the Dr Who result.
Then he said they could be reduced to the size of an atom. That’s a reference to the Quantum Realm, as seen in the Antman, Dr Strange and final Avengers films. While we know the broad outline of time theory in the MCU, we haven’t been told the details how AoS’s timestream science and technology works, whether it’s the monoliths, Chronocoms or whatever Fitz is doing.
The Quantum Realm is the best in-universe candidate for a dangerous but survivable method that would be available to Fitz, which doesn’t involve him depending on the Chronicoms’ technology or the Time Stone. Fitz researched it in S3 when Jemma was on Maveth. I’ll discuss this more in the commentary.
Simmons is examining the schematics for the time and space jump drive when Daisy, Mack and Sousa reach her. She opens a drawer to get a burn cream for Mack, but finds some of Deke’s souvenirs from the 80s in there instead, including his cologne, and the device Enoch used to work on Diana, her implant. Daisy notices her hesitation, so she blames Deke for leaving his toys scattered all over the lab and closes the drawer.
Enoch enters the lab and offers to help with the time drive. Jemma accepts his help, but says Mack comes first. Mack tries to send her to look at the time drive, but they all push him back down. You don’t fool around when someone’s vision is at stake.
May tells them there’s a fire down the hall due to another radiation flare. Daisy grabs a fire extinguisher and goes to put it out. When she’s done, the time drive suddenly accelerates, with flashing blue lights.
Before Daisy can finish asking if that’s supposed to happen, she’s back in the healing chamber again.
She gets out again. Sousa wakes up again. They try to figure out how long they’ve been asleep, again. Daisy walks out halfway through and goes to the Command Center, where the same events are already in progress. Damage to almost all systems, can’t figure out location, time drive overload, time storm outside the windshield, title card.
OMG, it’s spreading into our universe, too. Turn off your device, it’s contagious.
Actually, after my rewatch of this episode last night, I went to watch an episode of Dr Who to refresh myself on their style. As I was about to push play, my Tivo inexplicably died for 12 hours, then inexplicably came back. Coincidence or time anomaly?
Mack sends Elena to look at the quinjet’s flight system. May and Jemma discuss radiation. Deke jogs in with an alarming message about the time storm. They’re 91 km away from the event horizon. Daisy cuts him off, predicting what he was going to say. They’re all confused.
Daisy shows why she’s an incredible agent and remembers that this is the moment when Mack gets hit by the radiation flare. She races over and closes a panel so he’ll be safe, then tells the others that Elena is now trapped in the quinjet. Deke leaves to help her.
Daisy and Sousa leave to talk to Jemma. This time Mack stays with May in the Command Center. Daisy tells Jemma that she’s time looping.
Jemma: “Oh, well that’s fun.”
Sousa: “It’s actually creepy.”
There are much creepier things in the world than time looping on the Zephyr in a time storm. Like time looping on a cracked Earth with the Kree and those giant bugs. Bugs should not be bigger than people.
Jemma opens her drawer to pull out something to use to check Daisy for Time Loop Syndrome, but instead she pulls out Deke’s cologne, Tattletale, when Daisy asks about it. That name and it’s placement next to the implant device are not accidents. Enoch walks in and asks if she needs help with the time drive.
That’s some interesting placement, too.
Daisy knows the fire is starting, so she puts it out, then walks by Coulson and realizes he could be a big help with this. You think? But the next loop kicks in before she can wake him up.
Loop 3- Daisy hops out of the chamber and heads to the Command Center. She tells Mack and May, “Shut the cockpit door and watch the control panel.” You’d think she’d tell Elena to get out of the quinjet before she’s sealed in, but I guess she hasn’t thought that far ahead yet.
She pushes the button to awaken Coulson, then starts to tell him they’re in a time loop. He already knows and finishes her sentence the way she finished Mack and May’s sentences. He’s done this loop so many times that he’s dropped his patient exterior, growing snappy instead. Uh oh.
He tells her that they’ve been through this many times before, but everytime she dies in a loop, she forgets all of the previous loops and they have to start over. Since he’s pretty indestructible, he hasn’t died and remembers all of the loops, providing some nice continuity, as Coulson himself does for the show, the team and the MCU.
Wait- is the time loop a metaphor for life? Lol. Please don’t make me write about Nietzsche and the eternal recurrence again yet. Next you’ll tell me the time periods they’ve visited are really Dante’s rings of He11 and Coulson is Virgil. Actually, with that white light in sight, I guess they’d be the 9 celestial spheres of Heaven. Since this is episode 9, I guess you could make a case for that. That means next episode, we meet God, fellow pilgrims- which suggests my prediction that Fitz will show up briefly in episode 10 will come true, since he’s the Time God/Lord.
This is a Dr Who Christmas Special, with a new regeneration of the Doctor, aka Coulson, coming to terms with his situation and getting used to his companions. Why does he have to get to know companions he’s had for a long time? As with Coulson, each iteration of the Doctor is a little different physically and in personality, plus he has a bit of amnesia to work through.
And they’re in jeopardy. Time storms and cracks in the time-space continuum really are nasty things, even if you’re nearly indestructible.
Remember that time that Coulson was kind of cranky about having to take a nap? And being left out of important meetings? And not having a body for 20 months? Yeah, he’s had 87 loops, that he knows of, to let that frustration fester into some extreme sarcasm.
As we saw, Daisy doesn’t wake him up every time and he apparently can’t wake up on his own. He might want to look into adding a timer app to his remote. Come to think of it, why does he even have a remote? Did the S4 LMDs have them? Enoch doesn’t.
Coulson and Bodily Autonomy and Human Rights
Coulson’s relationship with bodily autonomy has always been sketchy, both coming and going. In Avengers 2012, Fury took those superhero cards and used them to manipulate the Avengers, taking away their right to make informed decisions based on facts rather than emotions, putting their lives in jeopardy, based on a lie. Then he took away Coulson’s right to die in peace and put him in a program he was expressly against.
Coulson was trained by Fury and believes in his methods. He’s a great agent and a great leader but he has huge blind spots. Once SHIELD became a covert agency, Coulson didn’t have to follow the rules anymore and took to using some illegal methods and occasionally letting his and other team members’ personal opinions rule the show. It’s made for some amazing TV, but it hasn’t been so great if you were an inhuman or an alien. Or a robot who got in Mack’s way. Other than a chosen few, those 3 types of beings have been killed and detained with impunity.
Now that Coulson is a robot with a digital consciousness, there’s only one reason to give him a remote off switch and no internal control of his own. It signals a lack of trust on the part of the team, which is probably the real reason why he’s so freakin’ angry. I don’t blame him. It’s a humiliating combination of being treated like a child and less than human- othered. As the ultimate SHIELD insider, Coulson has rarely felt that so deeply.
The only other times Coulson has been subjected to treatment like this have been when Fury put him in the TAHITI program without consent and when he’s been captured. As a professional white man, he expects to he in control of his body and his choices at all times. He expects treatment like this to be acknowledged as a violation of his body and his rights.
What Coulson is experiencing as soul crushing is the normal experience of many people. Coulson has denied so many others their bodily autonomy and basic human rights over the years, but now that’s he’s on the receiving end, he can’t take some mild inconvenience. There are many, many inhumans from S2 and 3 who I hope are watching from some place and getting some satisfaction. Lincoln is #1 on the list. Nothing that guy did could ever be good enough to earn Coulson’s trust, just as a “robot” will never earn the trust of some members of this team. Coulson used to be one.
Coulson never did anything to rein those prejudices in when he was alive and this version is paying the price.
Daisy has died 14 times and Coulson’s angry that he’s had to start over with her each time, angry that he’s powered down at the beginning of each loop and angry that she doesn’t wake him up every time.
Let’s note here how many times we’ve watched Daisy jump out of the chamber and run past Sousa, leaving him asleep, the fact that Elena has been trapped in the quinjet for the entire episode with fires breaking out on the ship, and the fact that Coulson is the only one who isn’t confused about what’s going on.
But the only thing he sees is that Daisy doesn’t wake him up first in every loop. He doesn’t think to remind her to form a plan to get Elena out of the quinjet. As always, Elena’s not a priority until they need her. Coulson doesn’t think to make sure Daisy saves Mack from severe burns. Any loop could be the last one and the organics will have to live (or die) with whatever state they’re in when the music stops.
They assume that they’re the only ones who remember because they both wake up in futuristic sleeping pods. Oops, time to start over.
Loop 4- Daisy runs through the Command Center and tells Mack to shut the door so his eyes don’t get burned. She keeps going and wakes Coulson up straight away. He starts talking as if they never stopped.
He explains that, “The time drive is stuck. It keeps looping back on itself over and over again.”
Daisy: “Like feedback?”
Coulson: “I’m thinking about it like a record skipping.”
She gives him a confused look.
Coulson: “Everytime I say that, you give me the same look. Vinyl’s back. You’re supposed to know records again.”
Okay, first, if you take care of your records, they don’t skip. Second, she lives on a plane that’s in constant danger. Why on Earth would QUAKE buy vinyl, which skips with the slightest shake? Third, what? The record is already spinning, now you’re saying the glitch is when it stops playing because the needle jumps, but we’re calling it a time loop? How does that metaphor even make sense? You need to at least use a loop within a loop, man.
Quick change to Loop 5. Daisy asks about flying out of the storm. Coulson says that they’ve tried it, but the conditions of the vortex have incapacitated the ship plus space is irrelevant in the storm. Basically, they’ve already tried everything. Their only remaining hope is fixing the time drive. Daisy acknowledges how tough that is, since the loop resets so quickly. They’ve been through 90 loops that Coulson’s been awake for.
Loop 6: Coulson explains that they’re running out of time. They can’t keep working on this for an infinite amount of time until they get it right, because with each loop they get closer to the vortex.
It must be that the outer shielding that protects the ship during time travel is also keeping the time loop localized within the Zephyr. This fits Whovian mythology.
Loop 7: After closing the door to save Mack from getting burned, Daisy asks Deke how far away from the event horizon they are. 79 km. In Loops 1 and 2 it was 94 and 91 km.
They’ve lost a significant amount of distance already, just catching Daisy and the audience up. But where would the excitement be if they got free at 100 km?
Daisy figures out that they need to either increase the time they have in each loop or solve the problem faster within the time that they have. Coulson says that they tried expanding the timeframe in Loops 23-42ish, but it didn’t work. So that leaves them with working faster. Daisy needs to get her wake up routine down to a science.
This is the point in the episode where the number of loops gets fuzzy. The next scene is a new loop, because Daisy starts over in the Command Center, but without the wake up scene. Loop 8? She predicts the future and quickly convinces the team to listen to her.
They’re now 65 km from the vortex, so if their progress into the vortex is stable, we probably missed ~2-3 loops, also allowing for time vortex craziness.
They try to guess how many loops they have left. If it’s 3 kms between loops, that would be 21, but we don’t know if their rate of descent is stable or if we skipped loops between 1 and 2. They can’t really know the parameters of their own situation either, since it depends on Daisy waking up, and she may not wake up in every loop- Sousa hardly ever wakes up on his own.
They may have been stuck for hours or days before she healed enough to come out of the chamber, if her healing carries over between loops the way her memory does. She has Gravitonium inside her, which may be what accounts for her imperviousness to the time storm. If I’m correct that Coulson and Enoch do as well, Enoch is lying about not remembering previous loops.
Mack asks Deke if there’s any other information on the drive they can use or that Fitz might have left behind. Deke says he’ll go check and be right back. He explains the situation to Jemma in private so as not to reveal her implant, but says that without the implant, she could solve the problem.
Jemma refuses, because it would endanger Fitz and the mission too much. Coulson and Daisy walk in on their argument, overhearing that Jemma has a secret implant suppressing her memories. They aren’t thrilled that she’s been keeping such a big secret, but more importantly, right now they’re in a life and death situation. They argue that Fitz would understand the current need and anyway, the loop will reset and this timeline will be wiped out, so it won’t pose a danger.
Someone didn’t listen when Sibyl mentioned that she reads the branches that go unfulfilled, too. Each timeline loop is a little, curly branch. But what other choice do they have?
This is probably why Sibyl was okay with Coulson exploding the time ship, even baited him into it. It leads to this outcome, where Fitz’s location is revealed.
Jemma needs more proof that they’re in a time loop, so Daisy has her think of a nonsense word. Jemma comes up with “phlebotinum”, which Daisy repeats with her. Not their first time round this part of the loop either.
Simmons agrees to remove the implant, but does so locked alone in the lab while Coulson, Daisy, Deke and Enoch watch through the window. As she maneuvers the implant device behind her neck she coughs, then collapses. The door is sealed shut. Before they can open it, she dies and the loop resets.
What could be more of a callback to the early seasons than threatening Jemma’s life in the lab? Bringing Ward and Fitz back to be part of the episode would help, obviously.
Giving up counting loops. You’re on your own, Coulson.
On the next try, Daisy goes in with her. They both cough and die. The door is still locked, but Daisy opens it just in time. Coulson is mad, because it means he has to start all over, with a Daisy who’s lost her memories. Enoch checks some tanks in the back and finds that the gas line has been cut too neatly to be anything but intentional murder. Coulson’s sarcasm in this instance is completely warranted.
The whole thing is extra funny when you discover who the murderer is.
New loop. Sousa wakes up when Daisy wakes up. Dekes says they’re 48 km from the vortex. Among other things, phlebotinum was a clue that the science won’t make sense, so I’m not going to play with it. Daisy has lost her memories. I hate watching Mack get blinded as much as Coulson hates having to go through the learning curve with Daisy. I get that it doesn’t matter, as long as they reset the timeline, but it’s still a horrible thing to watch.
Coulson feels a new sense of urgency, now that someone is murdering team members over this and time is getting shorter- 41 km. They round up the usual suspects, which equates to Team FitzSimmons. Deke is mortified that they know about the implant, sure that he dropped the ball and told. They all deny being the murderer, using logic, their connection to each other and Fitz, plus their large vocabularies. They’re impossible to crack.
Coulson and Daisy give up on the interrogation and decide to make another attempt to remove the implant. While Simmons prepares, Coulson talks to Mack and May. They suggest that Elena might be able to remove the implant before the murderer can strike, but first she has to be rescued from the quinjet.
On the next loop, Coulson takes a torch and cuts Elena loose, but by the time he’s done, the loop resets. Next loop, Daisy finds evidence that the implant device has been tampered with. Sousa offers to pick it up so that Daisy doesn’t die and lose her memories. It’s laced with a nasty poison. The following loop, Daisy lets him sleep.
She and Coulson confer, but mostly Coulson loses his temper because everyone keeps dying and they can’t break through that wall. After he lashes out, he apologizes and admits that he can’t handle watching them die. He says it’s soul crushing, if he even has a soul. Daisy gives him the validation she didn’t give him the last time they talked about this and tells him, “Of course you have a soul.”
Coulson says that he’s a thing, rather than the man he used to be. He was Max Headroom, stuck in TV without a body, for more than a year. Now he’s helpless to stop his friends from dying. The time loop is a metaphor for the way he’ll have to watch people die, over and over, now that he has a long life span.
Daisy calls him on his stupidity. The nerve of a man who’s died what? 8? 10? times, saying that to one of the people who loves him. Wow. He says his situation is different from hers, because he’ll watch everyone he loves die, one by one, because someone decided he should.
We all do that, often starting young if we come from large, close families. It’s called being born and being alive, after your parents decided to bring you into the world. Nobody gets a choice about it.
He continues to blather about being a white man machine and how hard it is because he was socialized programmed this way and won’t can’t change. Pretty sure we’ve watched individual LMDs and Chronicoms go through some drastic evolutions, which is why he has a remote.
He goes on for a while about Why White Male Lives Are So Hard- Someone Pushed My Button.
Eventually he realizes that Enoch is a fellow White Male Machine, so he can use his other superpower as an entitled white male machine, which is to understand someone who is exactly like him. For everyone else, he needs Daisy’s help.
They confront Enoch and Jemma, who deny everything. Coulson insists that if the secret they’re protecting is big enough, they’d program Enoch to do anything it takes to protect it, then forget what they did.
They test the theory by having Daisy make another attempt to remove the implant, right in the middle of the cargo bay. Enoch tries to strangle Daisy. He tells Jemma that he can’t stop. She programmed him to protect the implant at all costs, even if he had to kill her. Daisy quakes him across the cargo bay.
New loop. Daisy and Sousa both wake up. He asks why she’s up. She asks why he cares. He says he cares because she doesn’t.
Coulson suggests they can get the implant out of Jemma without Enoch finding out what they’re doing, but they forget that the first place he goes during the loop is to see Jemma in the lab. They try having Sousa distract Enoch, but he’s really bad at creating a diversion.
Personally, I think Sousa’s onto something. Family dinners or breakfasts could help with team relations.
They try explaining the implant situation to Enoch, but he can’t override his own programming. Jemma can’t countermand the order without a password, which she can’t remember. The whole team together isn’t strong enough to beat Enoch, which has frightening implications. He’s upgraded his fight skills some more.
I’d forgotten just how huge Henry Simmons is.
Deke’s dead, which feels like it could be foreshadowing for Fitz. And is also sad.
Daisy wakes up again. She tells Sousa they’re stuck in a time loop. Without missing a beat, he asks how he can help. Daisy decides to take a break for a loop and pulls up a chair.
She’s surprised that he accepted the news of the time loop so easily, as if nothing fazes him. He says things faze him, maybe he’s just not showing it on his face.
Now it’s time for an awkward conversation that’s due to the combination of Daisy feeling free to speak her mind because they’re in a time loop and this relationship being rushed because she needs her “happily ever after” by the end of the season. Or maybe she needs to watch one more boyfriend die so she can realize she’s meant to be alone forever. Flip a coin, meet you at the end of episode 13.
She asks Sousa why he’s waiting there next to her healing chamber, everytime she wakes up and is always willing to help.
You mean like her team member should be willing to help?
Sousa describes Peggy Carter, then says that he likes to be there to pick up people like her, I mean Daisy, when they fall. Daisy’s creeped out for a minute, but he saves it by convincing her means her, I mean Daisy, really.
He’s willing to help her out of the time loop, he’s not a member of Hydra, he’s not loyal to her murderous mother, he hasn’t sold her into slavery yet, and Coulson likes him, so he won’t send Sousa to his death for a few years, at least. Probably. Sousa is the most eligible bachelor Daisy has met since Framework Ward and Trip.
Who should be here with us today.
New plan. Sousa convinces Jemma to have the implant removed. He tells her to wait while he sets up, then walks away. Enoch takes the bait and follows Sousa into a room where Mack, Elena and May are waiting. Their job is to hold Enoch back while Daisy, Deke and Coulson help Jemma with the implant. It works, but it takes too long. As the time loops shifts, Coulson tells Daisy to do the same thing next time, but faster.
When Daisy wakes up, she tells Sousa she needs his help. Without hesitation, he asks what she needs. She kisses him, then they kiss each other. She says they need to trap a space robot.
This time, they’re 11 kilometers from the vortex. The plan works and they remove the implant with 2 minutes to spare. Jemma’s demeanor subtly shifts- she becomes clearer and sharper than we’ve seen her all season.
She tells them that Enoch is the answer. His Electrochon Displacement Mechanism, which Cronicoms use to regulate energy stability, could be used to do the same thing in the time drive. But it’s as essential to his functioning as a human heart. He’ll die without it.
Then more memories hit Jemma and she’s physically overcome. Tears run down her face as she says, “What have I done? I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Noooo…” Before she can tell anyone what she’s remembering, the time loop ends.
Sad loop. Daisy is calm, but resigned. She saves Mack, then asks Jemma, Deke and Enoch to meet her in the LMD lab. They’re less than 1 km from the vortex. Once Coulson’s awake, they explain the situation to Team FitzSimmons. As soon as Daisy mentions the Electrochon Displacement Mechanism, Enoch says he understands. While the others argue about finding another solution that won’t kill him, Enoch shrugs the part out of his chest and hands it to Jemma.
Jemma: “Enoch, you’ll die.”
Enoch: “And the rest of you will live. I would like to think Fitz would do the same for me. I would like to think all of you would.”
No one answers.
They wouldn’t even send the quinjet across the country for him. I do think Fitz, Jemma and Deke would do more for him.
Jemma and Enoch look each other in the eyes for a long moment, then she pats him on the arm and goes to the time drive. Deke does the same and follows. After they’re gone, he collapses to the floor. Coulson and Daisy sit down with him.
Deke works on attaching the mechanism to the time drive. He tells Jemma it’s a good fit. Mack radios to Coulson and Daisy that the mechanism will work. Daisy and Coulson promise to stay with Enoch until the end.
Enoch says that he doesn’t feel physical pain, but he feels lonely, thanks to his bond with the team. He doesn’t want to leave them. Coulson assures him that he’s not alone. Enoch is anxious about the very end, when he’ll have to go on alone, without them. Coulson tells him that dying is lonely, but the feeling is temporary for the person who dies. It takes longer to recover for the ones who are left behind. He thinks that’s one advantage to going first.
Enoch: “Yes, it’s different, watching your friends go before you, isn’t it? I’ve been through that as well. It can be harder to stay than to leave. I’m sorry, Philip J Coulson.”
Daisy: “The team will carry on the mission. We will survive because of you. Thank you.”
Enoch: “But Agent Johnson, while your friends will indeed survive, the team will not.”
Daisy: “What do you mean?”
Enoch: “I have seen the future. Carry on this mission and cherish it, for it will be your last mission together.”
Enoch: “Fitz… he was my best friend.”
Enoch: “As I have always…”
Daisy and Coulson are true to their word, staying right with him until the end, saying the most supportive words possible. Enoch is philosophical, thinking about the many births and deaths he’s seen over thousands of years as an anthropologist and wizard. “We do what we can with the time in between, but the cycle is always there.”
Just as Enoch fades away, the ship jumps out of the vortex.
In the tag, Nathaniel Malick sets up a row of wine glasses with a little water in them. He instructs Kora to direct her energy into the glasses, but take her time. One by one, she sends a brief pulse of energy into each glass, shattering them one at a time. They are both excited about her progress. Nathaniel promises she’ll get to show off for her little sister.
Are they in the 1990s? Is he wearing a Morpheus coat?
Commentary
Daisy showed so much growth as a leader in this episode. I feel like by the end, she’d passed the Star Trek leadership exams, both the Kobayashi Maru, where cadets have to deal with a no win scenario, and the Bridge Officer’s Test, in which women have to prove they’re tough enough to send a friend to their death in order to save the ship. So she’s ready to be director of SHIELD or SWORD or captain of her own starship or TARDIS. Whatever opportunity comes up first.
Enoch also passed the Alien Humanity Test, initiated by Spock in Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982) to prove once and for all that emotionless aliens can be real friends with real souls, too. I think Enoch also passed the Chronicom version of a katra to the convenient implant in Jemma’s head when they looked into each other’s eyes for a long moment.
Next week, Diana the Implant can start speaking to her the way Spock’s katra spoke to McCoy in The Search for Spock. Then they’ll have to take the implant out. Also, maybe Enoch won’t be bound by his secret programming anymore without a body, so he’ll finally spill the whole truth in exchange for getting out of the implant.
But his life essence could also be in the time drive with his heart or in the Zephyr. Coulson and Sibyl’s life essences went in wildly different directions when the time ship exploded, but the important thing is they both landed somewhere. I don’t see why Enoch wouldn’t, too, unless the writers want him dead for convenience sake, which is a giant plot hole.
Either the digital beings have a failsafe program, with wireless capability, that gets their data out in an emergency and into the nearest device, or they don’t. That’s not something a digital lifeform would disable, unless they’re suicidal, like Coulson is becoming.
Enoch isn’t suicidal. He wants to stay with and protect his family. I think we’ve proven once and for all that he and Coulson both have hearts and souls and brains and courage- everything necessary to be considered the equal of a human, and then some. And if they have that capability, all of the digital beings have it. They may not all express it, but it’s not like all humans are heroes either. When was the last time someone died for you?
Phlebotinum is a hilarious Whedonverse in joke. But is it also foreshadowing? I’m beginning to suspect that it is. I don’t think that implant isn’t going to last more than another episode- it’s coming out in 10 or early in 11, then the search for Fitz is on.
The extent of the carnage was exaggerated in the promo for this episode. Coulson was just having an existential meltdown.
Are the Chronicoms the counterpart to Dr Who’s Cybermen and what does that mean for Enoch? Some versions of the Cybermen started out as humanoids who then became Cyborgs.
I think it’s odd that Enoch didn’t keep his memories from loop to loop when Daisy and Coulson did. If all 3 have Gravitonium in them, as I suspect, that would explain why Daisy and Coulson kept their memories. Enoch was also uncharacteristically unhelpful, as if he was programmed to keep them busy in the vortex and out of touch for as long as possible. In which case, whose orders was he following? Fitz or Sibyl’s? The Spock almost quote used as Enoch’s dying words suggests Fitz still has his ultimate loyalty.
Who else loves the Zephyr as a randomly (mal)functioning Tardis? There are several versions of Dr Who on this ship. Or maybe Jemma is River Song and Fitz is a missing Dr Who, since the Zephyr is his baby. The others are companions with many rivers to cross issues to solve.
OMG, of course. Coulson is Captain Jack, one of my favorite characters of all time, but also a man who can’t die and is tortured because of it. I’m going to say Daisy is Martha Jones for now, because she’s the other best Dr Who verse character ever and then she went on to peripherally join a Sense8 cluster, which would totally be a Daisy thing to do.
Maybe Daisy was in an alternate universe for a few episodes, because things have definitely fazed Sousa since he was plucked out of time. Like 70s fashions. And he’s definitely taken his uncertainty out on the team. I guess we’re going with cognitive dissonance as a theme again this week.
That being said, I’m happy with them as a couple. He’s her established type, she’s his established type. He’s a proven quantity and solid as a rock. Even the Darkforce couldn’t get him. She deserves some happiness with someone all her own and so does he, after both of them have had to stand next to two of the most iconic couples in the MCU for all of these years. Let them find some happiness together. And have some stellar arguments that end with spectacular make up sessions.
Ship Name= Dousie You can hardly tell this name has anything to do with Daisy or Sousa. This is why fandoms make up the ship names, not corporate marketing departments.
They’d better both be alive at the end of the season. I caught Enoch’s ambiguous wording when he told Daisy this was the last mission. And the weird way he said he was sorry to Coulson. Or was he sorry for something that happened to Fitz?
When Jemma recovers her traumatic memory, we immediately assume that it’s something terrible having to do with Fitz. But she could also have realized that Enoch is a double agent who put the implant in to keep her quiet about his traitorous lies. Or that the Chronicoms put it in because they’re controlling both Jemma and Enoch.
It could be that Fitz is working against the Chronicoms as advertised, but Jemma and Enoch were captured and the season long trip down memory lane has been an attempt to either flush Fitz out or nudge one of the team members into figuring out where he would hide.
It could also be that the team are the ones in the Framework, not Fitz, and he’s the one who needs to save them from the Chronicoms.
Or it could be that they are all dead, including Fitz, but he’s gone into the light ahead of them and is now their silent guide. They’re working their way through purgatory, etc to catch up to him in the Elysian Fields. That would be the Lost-era worst case scenario ending- the entire series has been Coulson working his way through purgatory. Although, in that case I will pull out my Dante and have a go at it.
Enoch gets in a bit of Gandalf, who came back from the dead, and Spock, who came back from the dead. Probably others I missed. I still don’t like the “Fitz is dead,” foreshadowing. He’s already come back from the dead. We’ll see where it goes.
This episode more thoroughly introduces Deke to time science and he’s hard to beat in a dirty fight when he’s motivated. He’s gotten his hands on the time drive now. Jemma won’t be able to keep him away from the schematics and theory, after this. With her memory impaired and both Fitz and Enoch gone, it’s imperative that she train a backup engineer in time travel.
I don’t think the Chronicoms are prepared for how dirty he’ll fight, as compared to SHIELD. That’s why we were shown him shooting Freddy mid sentence. If Bobo needs to be rescued, Deke will move heaven and Earth and break every rule of civilized society to do it, orders be d**ned.
The team members who actively dehumanized Enoch should have been in the room while he died, witnessing his sacrifice. They shouldn’t get to coast through and pretend a spare part was borrowed from one machine to use in another without facing the very human death of the being they valued less because of superficial characteristics.
If this show doesn’t force Mack to face his sadistic, hypocritical prejudice against robots, I will scream. At home, no one can hear you scream but your dog, but I’ll still do it.
If you don’t think this is necessary character growth for Mack before the series ends, go watch S4Ep12, Hot Potato Soup, where Mack switches on the Radcliffe LMD, which has a brain that’s more sophisticated than a human’s, so that he can listen to it scream as he kills it. Fitz stops him just in time- Mack almost destroys LMD Radcliffe to indulge his own sadism when it’s essential to their operation. Mack acted the same way in S7Ep7, when he put more effort into exploding robot bodies than making sure Sibyl didn’t get the timestream back, derailing the operation. His hatred of robots and obsession with killing them is frequently detrimental to the team’s goals. In a robot war, strategy is crucial.
The Quantum Realm
Okay, there isn’t much here. I doubt they had access to Pym Particles, but I think there’s a good chance Piper and Flint rendezvoused with them at some point. If Flint rebuilt the creation monolith, all bets are off. They could do anything.
Fitz researched the Quantum Realm in s3 when Jemma was missing on Maveth, so he’s aware of its existence. Depending on what research he had clearance to view/what’s stored on the Zephyr, he may have been able to create his own suit and particles. Hank Pym’s research was highly classified, but it’s also old and the world has ended. Who’s going to guard clearance levels?
It makes sense for the time and space monoliths to also be bringing people through the Quantum Realm, with some kind of adjustable presets built in for ease of use, since they seem to be consumer level products, if you will.
After what happened with Janet van Dyne, it would fit Jemma’s reaction for Fitz to have gone into the Quantum Realm. It’s dangerous to be in there and almost no one has gotten themselves out. But it could also fit with what she said about the place where Fitz is working from. He could have found a place where time entanglements come together. Chronicoms may have nanites who can go in as hit-nanites or they may be able to see when he’ll leave.
It seems certain that Fitz isn’t in normal space time in some way, whether he’s left his body behind and is in some kind of Framework or time rift or he’s in the Quantum Realm with no way out. That’s why he can’t contact them. Maybe he can get their messages, but he can’t answer back.
It’s possible that Jemma and Fitz knowingly sacrificed his body and sent his mind into something. They could have decided that if what they did worked and they reset time, it wouldn’t matter. He’d come back alive and in his original body, just like the first time he died at the end of S5. And just like we saw over and over in this episode. This episode might have been a reminder that when time resets, the dead are brought back, wounds heal and mistakes are undone.
Who Is the New Coulson?
Human Coulson was into being a mentor, but Coulsonbot not so much. He still cares about the same people and has good communication skills, but LMDs and Chronicoms typically haven’t been programmed to teach and negotiate with patience, whereas that was OG Coulson’s alternate life path in the Framework. It’s setting up an interesting divergence here. Coulsonbot is much more of a man of action, someone who would have gone into Operations at SHIELD Academy rather than Communications, as OG Coulson did.
Which is a long way of saying they maybe aren’t the same person, they just share some memories, but that doesn’t mean that Coulsonbot is any less of a real person. The fact that he can diverge from OG Coulson and forge his own identity is proof that he has his own consciousness.
Coulson starts the episode with odd ideas about what it means to be human, starting with a boatload of ableism. The state of someone’s body has nothing to do with their humanity. Needing the assistance of technology has nothing to do with someone’s humanity. And you don’t need to earn your soul or your right to be treated with decency. I hope Coulson knows that by the end of the episode.
But I’m afraid that what he and most people got from it was that Enoch deserves to be treated like a human because he’s a “good” robot, just like Coulson. Unlike the “bad” Chronicom and LMD robots who have made “bad” choices for understandable reasons that aren’t any different from the choices humans make everyday. They want something and they have the strength to take it, so they’re taking it. They’re dominating, like American culture celebrates. And as SHIELD has celebrated doing, often enough.
From my reddit post-
Deke has the superpower of adaptation. He can quickly adapt to any situation and he can adapt the materials around him to his needs. He’s the engineer you want in the room with you when the oxygen tank blows on Apollo 13 and you have to get the astronauts home in the LEM using what’s on hand, but the materials are incompatible with each other. Deke will figure out a way to make those babies work together better than the ones that were originally designed to go together, and he’ll do it in 10 minutes flat.
Who cares if he then patents and sells it? It’s a vital skill for a survivalist, including the part where he uses his skills to make a living for himself and his large team of employees. He’s Steve Jobs, not Steve Wozniak. He’s got his grandparents to invent the original ideas. The team doesn’t need a second Fitz or Jemma. They do need someone who can make sense of chaos, quickly.
Jemma’s superpower is mathematics and science, as she said recently. Mack’s superpower is being the opposite of Deke- the rock who provides stability as the storm swirls around him. And who carries a shotgun ax.
Both of them and their powers have suffered recently, as have the rest of the crew, other than Enoch and Deke. I think they are all being specifically targeted by Sibyl, who has Fitz’s brain scan and knows their weaknesses. But the Fitz who was scanned didn’t know Deke, so he’s mostly been spared. He’s also been through so much that it’s made him tenacious and thick-skinned, so he’s harder to get to.
#AgentsofSHIELD S7E9: As I Have Always Been Recap- The Zephyr is caught in a time loop in a time vortex with time running out. Coulson & Daisy work on a solution. Team FitzSimmons has the key. Daisy explores her chemistry with Sousa. In episode 9, the team get stuck in a time loop inside a time storm heading toward a time vortex.
#Agents of SHIELD#As I Have Always Been#Chloe Bennet#clark gregg#Elizabeth Henstridge#Joel Stoffer#metacrone#recaps#review#science fiction#Time Travel
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Managing Expectations: Fitz
Now that we have the press release out and based on what I’m seeing on there @jessiecrimefighter and I have really adjusted our expectations as to what I’ll see from Fitz in the first two episodes...as in not much if at all. I still think he’ll come up, for example once Jemma has 5 seconds to catch her breath and process what’s happened. Or we’ll get a glimpse of him in the tag like we did with Jemma in Season 3.
I know this isn’t what a lot of people wanted, but its something I’ve been expecting for a long time now. Overlord was a fantastic opportunity for Iain and a huge project. It should also be noted he is under contract with AOS, they let him do the project. They have clearly planned accordingly by having Fitz initially left back on earth.
And its because he’s on earth I’m not expecting to see him much if at all. Looking at the Press Release and the Guest Stars most of these guys seem to be in space and the one from earth are part of the initial Spacenapping:
Orientation Part 1:
Jeff Ward as Deke:
Joel Stoffer as Enoch
Jordan Preston as driver
Peter Hulne as Jerry
John Wusah as young soldier
Deniz Akdeniz as Virgil
Nathin Butler as Jone
Derek Mears as captain
Enoch and “driver” are likely earth for sure and there is a chance we see Enoch circle back to Fitz at some point in one.
Orientation Part 2:
Jeff Ward as Deke
Eve Harlow as Tess
Dominic Rains as Kasius
Florence Faivre as Sinara
Paul Duna as Reese
Kaleti Williams as Zev
Pruitt Taylor Vince as Grill
James Babson as Holt
Tunisha Hubbard as Ava
Derek Mears as captain
Wes Armstrong as Rick
Jay Hunter as watch commander
“Rick” is the only one here who has even a small chance of being on earth but l’m leaning towards him being a Scavenger. Zev is in IMDB for 3 so he is one that can go either way, but again leaning towards Space for him too.
Due to the team and at least the first pod being in space a MASSIVE amount of set up needs to be done. The introduction of the new places and faces to set up what is to come. Iain wasn’t available for the first two episodes, the easiest way to deal with that was to simply write Fitz out, and they didn’t have room for an Earth story alongside the space story, and/or no time to film it when he got back, especially when the Premiere was bumped back up. Jemma and May weren’t in in 3.01, they were both mentioned but not seen. Well, Jemma did have the tag the tag and May didn’t show up until 2. And since 1 and 2 are airing on the same night I don’t think his absence will be as noticeable as if it was spread over two weeks.
The writers, especially our writers for 1 and 2 Jed, Mo, and DJ, have proven they don’t need to have Fitzsimmons together to give us some amazing moments. The Return in my book is one of my strongest Fitzsimmons episodes ever, even without glorious pod hugs.
Nor will this be the first time Fitz isn’t in an episode that much. 4722 Hours and Melinda are two examples, with Melinda he was just in the tag here too. The difference is now we know its coming.
I will say, it does look like the writers are going to make it up to fans. Fitz has a mini arc of why he was left behind and getting to the others. Five looks to be a pretty Fitz-centric episode WITH the bonus bro trip team up with Hunter (bows to the wise and powerful Timeline). Followed by when I expect him to get to Space with the others in the Clark directed episode. Not to mention “so many cute things” for Fitzsimmons, Chloe talked about.
Look, I get that some fans are frustrated. When theorizing I have a lot of ah ha moments and I had one other day. Because for me its felt like forever since I’ve had Fitzsimmons properly together where its actually them. And it has been for viewers:
Fitz was kidnapped in 4.14 Which aired on 2/14/17.
Depending on how AOS breaks for the Christmas Holiday I can see 6 airing 1/12/18. Nearly 11 MONTHS since Fitzsimmons were properly together especially considering how crazy the finale was and they never got a second to even catch their breaths.
The writers purposely set up a ton of stuff in Season 4 knowing they wouldn’t get to it until Season 5. Fitzsimmons was one of those. They left them in a good place (but didn’t wrap them up as definitely as they did Mackelena and Philinda) and intended to pick it up in Season 5....and then there were a couple of we’ll call them hiccups.
They got picked up for Season 5 but were informed they wouldn’t be back until January.
So we need to be patient a little while longer. I realize many of you want to outright deck me when I saw this but I think we will be really rewarded in a big way this time.
I would love to be wrong on this but as always, Plan for the worst, Hope for the Best!
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